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...is when the adults in the room stop listening to you..."but whatevs."That being said
Charlie and everything he represented were/are repulsive, but as a free speech absolutist, I condemn fullstop, his cold blooded killing. IDK why saying that has to be controversial, the online left is doing nothing but gloating right now. I would be on that bandwagon if this happened in 2016 when I was in my 20s, now I am wiser.
Yo back the f*** off. I mean it....is when the adults in the room stop listening to you..."but whatevs."
I'm another free speech absolutist. Unless you're in the genre of "fightin' words" and threats (both well-defined under constitutional law these days), you get to say whatever stupid crap you want. I will note that it does not absolve you from private consequences for your words (like people getting fired for saying racist crap, etc.).I completely agree with you that any political violence is wrong and the response from a fringe minority celebrating it is also wrong.
However, I am genuinely curious about something. Until the other night, I knew just about nothing when it comes to Kirk. You mentioned 'everything he represented were/are repulsive'. I have watched a couple of clips, but could you expand on that comment. I agree that his support of Trump is repulsive, but can you go into what else you disagree with him on? Was there things that he said that were factually incorrect?
I am asking to better understand the response of all this. It is one thing for a prominent elected official to get assassinated. But a podcaster who spoke at colleges campuses? I just don't get it.
I guess I don't understand why now political violence is a problem. It didn't seem to be when the Minnesota legislators were killed or Shapiro was firebombed, or when the Capitol was bum rushed.
Hmmmmm
From page 351 of this thread. This might help explain Kirk too.
In the past he's stated that women's suffrage and the Civil Rights Act were mistakes.From page 351 of this thread. This might help explain Kirk too.
Are you threatening me? So tolerant and inclusive...Yo back the f*** off. I mean it.
You dont like what I have to say, block me and be done with it.
Are you threatening me? So tolerant and inclusive...
Anyhoo, chill out dude - I was just noting that the usage of "with that being said" is incredibly lazy rhetoric.
All hail The Great Cornholio.
TN's governor will welcome them with open arms where Illinois was planning to challenge their use. I've heard the Guard spent a good bit of time mulching beds and picking up trash in DC. If it's still the same as the last time I was there, Memphis could stand some litter pick up and beautification.^^^What happened to Chicago getting theirs?
Too bad.Like what he stood for. Don't like what he stood for. But Charlie Kirk's influence on Gen Z cannot be underestimated. I'm around a lot of Gen Z people due to the age of my daughters and I see it all over the place.
He laughed all the way to the bank.I didn't like the things he said.
Gun deaths are worth it. - sure, until it's your family and friends that pay the price.
Comparing abortion to the Holocaust.
Women should have children, not careers.
Empathy is bad.
Black people were better off under Jim Crow laws.
The list of stupid things he said can go on and on, but if you want to see his "family values" I guess that's fine. I just think he was another talking head that said outrageous crap to get attention and make money.
I haven't thought of Brother Jed and Sister Cindy in a long time. They would come through and argue with students a couple of times a year.Honestly, Kirk was closer to Brother Jed than a real political figure. Saying outrageous things to get noticed and like Jed, someone always took the bait.
I find it interesting that most of my social media real life acquaintances that have posted stuff about Charlie, and how we should mourn, take up arms, blah blah all fall under the same demo:Also stop making this guy a martyr. He is no Susan B Anthony, MLK, Malcom X, and this list can go on with people you agree or disagree with but who did he fight for? White, gun owning, wealthy, men? What will they do without some kind of hero that speaks for them?
I grew up in Macon, GA, home of Wise Blood and street preachers on every park bench .Its east/west ones wee c alled "boulevards because they enclosed public parks. Each park held benches at each end, and there the preachers stood, waving their bibles and predicting perdition.I haven't thought of Brother Jed and Sister Cindy in a long time. They would come through and argue with students a couple of times a year.
There's now a Chinese lady who stands on the corner downtown yelling in broken English about how the students are deviants and going to hell.
...he was not. He just loves every distraction from Epstein.This might be the most ironic part. He openly welcomed criticism and direct debate, where as the guy in the oval is the opposite. I cannot comprehend how he was such a big supporter of him.
Kirk's comparison to MLK is laughable. Kirk's profession was provocateur and self-promoter. Take away the financial element of being an influencer, and he is left with nothing really of significance in the American lexicon. How he emerged as anything really baffles me. MLK was a minister and sought to promote liberty via removal of barriers, direct action and policy engagement (that people forget was jumping across the aisles).For the sake of discussion, how do you feel about those who celebrated the assassination of MLK?
Now before you all start slinging hate towards me, I think that a lot of people have taken the punishments of people voicing their opinions on this way too far and I don't support a lot of the people being fired because of their comments on the assignation of Kirk. I bring it up because there have been comparisons to MLK on both sides of the political spectrum.
Narrator: he was right. It did indeed start accelerating.It's just vibes and anecdotal, but I feel like the general shittiness is only going to start accelerating. I guess the question is how to live with at least some semblance of hope (maybe enthusiasm or positivity is too much for the moment) as the trendlines continue toward what feels like oblivion.
Meanwhile all we can do is just continue at our little jobs. Here, let me go ahead and process an SF-425 form to get over to the EDA by EOD today.
Narrator: he was right. It did indeed start accelerating.
Right along with "Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that's wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for." -Kamala HarrisWind power is worthless if the wind doesn't blow.
Solar power is useless when it gets dark.
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Critics over the weekend heaped scorn on the US Department of Energy after it made demonstrably false claims about renewable energy.In a post on X late last week, the Department of Energy (DOE) argued that "wind and solar energy infrastructure is essentially worthless when it is dark outside...www.rawstory.com
Not mourning ≠ celebratingFor the sake of discussion, how do you feel about those who celebrated the assassination of MLK?
Now before you all start slinging hate towards me, I think that a lot of people have taken the punishments of people voicing their opinions on this way too far and I don't support a lot of the people being fired because of their comments on the assignation of Kirk. I bring it up because there have been comparisons to MLK on both sides of the political spectrum.
I am squarely in this camp as well. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences. ABC/Disney was likely already looking for a reason to fire Kimmel. I watched the monologue and didn’t feel that it was offensive. Late night hosts have a long and rich history pushing boundaries. The most problematic issue here is the FCC.[SNIP] That said... as I've said I'm an absolutist when it comes to 1st amendment free speech. Like I don't even believe in rules about decency/obscenity--my belief in any 1st amendment encroachment is 100% limited to a John Locke-esque "force and fraud" scenario. It probably comes substantially from my perspective on art--that it should push boundaries & challenge. The issue with Jimmy Kimmel isn't that Disney/ABC sidelined him (private actions)... that's a private consequence between employer/employee. It is that the FCC chair went lightyears beyond his authority to threaten and coerce ABC (public actions by government), potentially on behalf of MAGA megadonor corporations like Sinclair, with ABC/Disney itself acting afterward. Trump's hubris to want credit for everything is what is creating his administration's Constitutional liabilities. He simply can't shut up, and the result is he is writing the ACLU's case for them. [/SNIP]
You are absolutely correct. Likewise I won’t criticize those who are mourning his death.Not mourning ≠ celebrating
Kirk had nothing on MLK. That’s not to say that MLK didn’t have his faults. I’m absolutely certain some quarters in this country celebrated MLK’s death given how vehemently opposed many states were to the Civil Rights movement. Pretty sure Darth Cheeto and MAGA Congress will try and float a Charlie Kirk federal holiday.You are absolutely correct. Likewise I won’t criticize those who are mourning his death.
My question was in regards to the comparison of the two and how one of the political pundits asked if people would be calling for people to be fired if they celebrated MLK’s assassination.
Personally, I think it is BS they they fired Kimmel and several others. I think there might have been a few that took it too far and were in a position where trust is required, but those were isolated fringe cases.
I still can’t get over his hypocrisy of supporting Trump to the level that he did, and proclaiming Christian ideals in the same sentence.
Kirk had nothing on MLK. That’s not to say that MLK didn’t have his faults. I’m absolutely certain some quarters in this country celebrated MLK’s death given how vehemently opposed many states were to the Civil Rights movement. Pretty sure Darth Cheeto and MAGA Congress will try and float a Charlie Kirk federal holiday.
It's not sustainable. and yesterday'sThe holiday thing wound not surprise me.
As for the comparison, I guess we will see what happens in the coming months and years. It appears that his message has momentum at the moment, but we will have to wait to see if it is sustainable. The guys in my church group seem to think so.