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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Political Discussion Thread

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The Terminator said:
Charlie and everything he represented were/are repulsive, but as a free speech absolutist, I condemn fullstop, his cold blooded killing. IDK why saying that has to be controversial, the online left is doing nothing but gloating right now. I would be on that bandwagon if this happened in 2016 when I was in my 20s, now I am wiser.
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I completely agree with you that any political violence is wrong and the response from a fringe minority celebrating it is also wrong.

However, I am genuinely curious about something. Until the other night, I knew just about nothing when it comes to Kirk. You mentioned 'everything he represented were/are repulsive'. I have watched a couple of clips, but could you expand on that comment. I agree that his support of Trump is repulsive, but can you go into what else you disagree with him on? Was there things that he said that were factually incorrect?

I am asking to better understand the response of all this. It is one thing for a prominent elected official to get assassinated. But a podcaster who spoke at colleges campuses? I just don't get it.
 
I guess I don't understand why now political violence is a problem. It didn't seem to be when the Minnesota legislators were killed or Shapiro was firebombed, or when the Capitol was bum rushed.

Hmmmmm
 
michaelskis said:
I completely agree with you that any political violence is wrong and the response from a fringe minority celebrating it is also wrong.

However, I am genuinely curious about something. Until the other night, I knew just about nothing when it comes to Kirk. You mentioned 'everything he represented were/are repulsive'. I have watched a couple of clips, but could you expand on that comment. I agree that his support of Trump is repulsive, but can you go into what else you disagree with him on? Was there things that he said that were factually incorrect?

I am asking to better understand the response of all this. It is one thing for a prominent elected official to get assassinated. But a podcaster who spoke at colleges campuses? I just don't get it.
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I'm another free speech absolutist. Unless you're in the genre of "fightin' words" and threats (both well-defined under constitutional law these days), you get to say whatever stupid crap you want. I will note that it does not absolve you from private consequences for your words (like people getting fired for saying racist crap, etc.).

@michaelskis - you may not be as familiar because you haven't worked around college towns since Kirk came on the scene, plus I suspect you aren't a big fan of influencer culture (neither am I). Kirk's organization was right-wing extremist influence on college campuses, based on young men being uniquely susceptible/impressionable. I've lived in a college town for 25 years and have had the unpleasant experience of seeing Kirk up close and personal. He was nothing more than a provocateur, which is why I'm bothered by people that are all like "oh he's so engaged in the way we should be debating blah blah blah." His "debates" are nothing more than provocations and instigations, and his "organization" nothing but a graft operation.

But he should not be dead for this. He should be irrelevant.

The fascinating/disgusting piece of this is that he has commanded the airwaves and every bit of political attention over the last two days. The school shooting has received no attention beyond the incredibly dystopian split screen coverage of a school shooting and political hit that, in my opinion, perfectly incapsulates the death of the American Experiment. Absolutely nothing out of the Trump administration, not a single word that I've found. Even Democrats have been stone cold silent, focusing instead on Kirk. Children are expendable. Pro-life only until birth. After that, you're collateral damage on the political minefields.

JD Vance blew off a 9/11 ceremony in NYC to go do some political theater and inexplicably use government resources for the most unnecessary use of Air Force 2 as a hearse. There is no better manifestation of "Never forget... I guess we forgot" than Vance's actions.

And Trump has once again failed to rise to the occasion to deescalate and actually be a stateman/leader. In fact, he has only made it worse. Particularly the contrast with Hortman in Minnesota (who was an actual public servant rather than a provocateur). I singularly blame him for escalating political violence.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
I guess I don't understand why now political violence is a problem. It didn't seem to be when the Minnesota legislators were killed or Shapiro was firebombed, or when the Capitol was bum rushed.

Hmmmmm
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Or Pelosi's husband was attacked in his own home
 
Planit said:
From page 351 of this thread. This might help explain Kirk too.
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In the past he's stated that women's suffrage and the Civil Rights Act were mistakes.

He used a lot of inflammatory rhetoric but came at it from a more debate style of approach instead of screaming. He's pushed a bunch of different conspiracies over time (Covid, voter fraud, etc). He was getting further and further into Christian Nationalism/Dominionism.

I feel for his family and hate that he was killed.
 
The Terminator said:
Yo back the f*** off. I mean it.

You dont like what I have to say, block me and be done with it.
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Are you threatening me? So tolerant and inclusive...:r:

Anyhoo, chill out dude - I was just noting that the usage of "with that being said" is incredibly lazy rhetoric.
 
Like what he stood for. Don't like what he stood for. But Charlie Kirk's influence on Gen Z cannot be underestimated. I'm around a lot of Gen Z people due to the age of my daughters and I see it all over the place.
 
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