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mendelman said:
You know it's the same thing. Don't try to hand wave it away as 'different'.

He is a very prominent statewide and national sports professional and everything he says is going to get national press and be held up as an example of blah, blah, blah.
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No it’s not the same thing and you know it.

If he said something in a post game interview or a similar context that would be the same thing.
 
Planit said:
I guess we need to ask Tommy Tuberville too.
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If you want a cogent answer, don't ask Tubs anything. I liked him as a coach. A very nice guy, players loved him, and I know of multiple stories of him making sure that former players were taken care of or got their life together after football stopped. I can see how he got elected based on personality, but that guy has no business being a senator. Doesn't take it seriously either. Worst part about it is he's much better than some of our recent candidates.

I think there's some rumors that Bruce Pearl will move into a political role when his days of coaching are over. Again, great coach (might be shady) but doesn't make him a great candidate for office.
 
michaelskis said:
EDIT: This is what angers me so much about this topic. There are so many on the left that make ridiculous recommendations that will either do absolutely nothing to solve the problem, or demand things that not only will be impossible to implement (such as repealing the 2nd Amendment), it will actually make it harder for good people to defend themselves against bad people. I think that the legislation that was passed recently is a terrific step forward, but some of the stupid crap that the Democrats have been saying and the stupid crap that the Republicans have been responding with is not going to solve anything.

So no seriously, if you want to recommend real changes that will actually make people safer, then I am all ears. But do you actually believe that a sticker on a door is going to prevent someone from bring a gun into a building with the intent to do harm? Seriously, do you really believe that?
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What exactly is the GOP/right/conservatives offering in terms of recommendations that truly differ than the Dems/left/liberals?
 
Gedunker said:
C’mon skis, he gets invited because he’s the head football coach at UofM. That’s using his position to share his personal belief. Plain and simple.
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So let me get this right... because he is the Coach for University of Michigan, he cannot express his pro-life views at a pro-life event?

Context is everything. Let me ask you this, is it ok if you express your views on this topic during a work public hearing? If so, let me know where and when because I want to see it.


kjel said:
What exactly is the GOP/right/conservatives offering in terms of recommendations that truly differ than the Dems/left/liberals?
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Absolutely nothing productive.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
I think there's some rumors that Bruce Pearl will move into a political role when his days of coaching are over. Again, great coach (might be shady) but doesn't make him a great candidate for office.
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Might be shady? :ha: Auburn hired him after he served a three-year show cause penalty from the NCAA (and he's lucky it wasn't five years). Might be shady is a wee bit of an understatement.

Just sayin.'
 
michaelskis said:
So I guess my question to you is why was your experience different than that of the majority of the student body?
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Why is this even a question? My experience was my experience. I encountered quite a few anti-wokesters during my time on that campus. Weird to think back to that time and contemplate the idea that a fellow student called me a Communist to my face... I guess times haven't changed that much in 25+ years.
 
Wannaplan? said:
Why is this even a question? My experience was my experience. I encountered quite a few anti-wokesters during my time on that campus. Weird to think back to that time and contemplate the idea that a fellow student called me a Communist to my face... I guess times haven't changed that much in 25+ years.
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AKA: Intelligent and strident, but inexperienced individuals will always exist.
 
michaelskis said:
So let me get this right... because he is the Coach for University of Michigan, he cannot express his pro-life views at a pro-life event?

Context is everything. Let me ask you this, is it ok if you express your views on this topic during a work public hearing? If so, let me know where and when because I want to see it.
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I didn’t say that. Next time Joe Schlub gets invited to speak his beliefs, let me know.

Dude, you are the master of misdirection.
 
michaelskis said:
So let me get this right... because he is the Coach for University of Michigan, he cannot express his pro-life views at a pro-life event?

Context is everything. Let me ask you this, is it ok if you express your views on this topic during a work public hearing? If so, let me know where and when because I want to see it.
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Just so we are clear, if he, as the coach of a pretty weak football team, spoke after losing to Ohio State at the after game press conference about his opinions on anti-women's rights, you would be appalled. Right? Because of the context of it?
 
Let me break it down for you. The point that was being made is that when an athlete makes some sort of statement about social reform or some other "liberal issue" by like let's say Lebron James, he's told to "STFU and dribble". But since this is a position that many of those on the right agree with, there is none of that but rather celebration of his "courage". It's called hypocrisy when you only want to hear from people when they agree with you.
 
If Lebron wants to talk Basketball, or athletics in general I would listen. If Kim Kardashian wants to talk make up I would listen (I would be bored, but I would listen). If these people want to stop duck rape or whatever other topic why would I listen? On the court or off doesn't matter although on the court is worse. I will listen to a couple of celebrities that are experts because they have spent hundreds of hours helping whatever cause, but Lebron forming an opinion on some random recent topic, whatever.
 
Gedunker said:
I didn’t say that. Next time Joe Schlub gets invited to speak his beliefs, let me know.
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Any Wednesday night at a local meal gathering sponsored by a Catholic Church. I have spoken about my faith and views at similar, but far less formidable events. Tell you what, a local church is sponsoring Theology on Tap this fall at a local miro-brewery, and I plan to go. If you want to come along you are more then welcome.

Hink said:
Just so we are clear, if he, as the coach of a pretty weak football team, spoke after losing to Ohio State at the after game press conference about his opinions on anti-women's rights, you would be appalled. Right? Because of the context of it?
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Let me be clear, if he lost to OSU again, he would not be coach of Michigan. I think we need to establish that first and foremost. But let's fully examine the context of the event that he spoke at. It was a private fundraiser in Plymouth MI and was in conjunction with the Plymouth Right to Life and Father John Riccardo of the Our Lady of Good Counsel Catholic Church. Both Jim and his wife Sara (who are also both catholic) were special-guest speakers and gave a pro-life testimony. The news of his talk was then distributed by the Detroit Catholic, which is a religious publication. From there the media went wild with it.

He did not make this speech at a college graduation, a campain speech for a candidate, or in any element related to Michigan Football. If he would have said this at a post-game news conference or halftime speech in the locker room, I would say that it was not appropriate. So yes, to answer your questions directly, if he made that statement following the Gatorade bath, I would completely agree that it was not the time or place to discuss rights of unborn children.
 
To shift gears to something a little less controversial in here, the Environment. Despite Biden's confusing statement about having cancer, I think he is going the right direction with his environmental program, but I don't think it is nearly enough. He is essentially throwing a Dixie cup of water at bonfire. It's not a forest fire yet, but it will be if things don't change.

I would like to see something more comprehensive that includes changing agricultural practices as well. For example, in the 2020 documentary Kiss the Ground, researchers show increased productivity and reduced carbon release with no-till agriculture.
https://kisstheground.com/ (Kiss the Ground | Soil Health Solutions | Join the Movement!)

The same goes for promoting free range farming for the production of meat as well. Problem is most of these sustainable agricultural practices are not subsidized by the federal government to the rate that they should be. Instead the majority goes into monocrop production of corn and grain that isn't even used for human consumption.

The other mechanism is the reality of entry cost for alternative energy sources. Sure, windmills in the Gulf of Mexico is a good thing. But he just changed the regulations and not the funding. More so, solar panels on buildings are very expensive to implement. There are programs out that to help, but they are not cost effective when you take the total cost into consideration. More so, these manufacturing processes are not nearly as environmentally friendly as they should be.

I posted about green regulations in a different thread because I would like to know what are the best ideas out there to encourage or require environmentally friendly development practices. I don't think we can wait for the Feds to implement meaningful change and we as planners are in a position to make a difference now.
 
When I first heard that Mike Pence refused his Secret Service detail’s urging for him to get in his limo during the Jan. 6 riots at the Capitol, saying something to the effect of “I trust you, but I’m not getting in the car”, I thought there was more to the story. The suggestion that Pence didn’t want photos or videos of him leaving the Capitol didn’t seem to fill the bill. Was Pence aware/suspicious of a plot to remove him from the Capitol? Now Secret Service text messages are irretrievably lost surrounding the 6th?

It’s probably coincidence, but there’s sure a lot of stink around it.
 
Gedunker said:
When I first heard that Mike Pence refused his Secret Service detail’s urging for him to get in his limo during the Jan. 6 riots at the Capitol, saying something to the effect of “I trust you, but I’m not getting in the car”, I thought there was more to the story. The suggestion that Pence didn’t want photos or videos of him leaving the Capitol didn’t seem to fill the bill. Was Pence aware/suspicious of a plot to remove him from the Capitol? Now Secret Service text messages are irretrievably lost surrounding the 6th?

It’s probably coincidence, but there’s sure a lot of stink around it.
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Given the unprecedented nature of that entire day, I wouldn't automatically disregard this as a potential theory.
 
michaelskis said:
To shift gears to something a little less controversial in here, the Environment. Despite Biden's confusing statement about having cancer, I think he is going the right direction with his environmental program, but I don't think it is nearly enough. He is essentially throwing a Dixie cup of water at bonfire. It's not a forest fire yet, but it will be if things don't change.

I would like to see something more comprehensive that includes changing agricultural practices as well. For example, in the 2020 documentary Kiss the Ground, researchers show increased productivity and reduced carbon release with no-till agriculture.
https://kisstheground.com/ (Kiss the Ground | Soil Health Solutions | Join the Movement!)

The same goes for promoting free range farming for the production of meat as well. Problem is most of these sustainable agricultural practices are not subsidized by the federal government to the rate that they should be. Instead the majority goes into monocrop production of corn and grain that isn't even used for human consumption.

The other mechanism is the reality of entry cost for alternative energy sources. Sure, windmills in the Gulf of Mexico is a good thing. But he just changed the regulations and not the funding. More so, solar panels on buildings are very expensive to implement. There are programs out that to help, but they are not cost effective when you take the total cost into consideration. More so, these manufacturing processes are not nearly as environmentally friendly as they should be.

I posted about green regulations in a different thread because I would like to know what are the best ideas out there to encourage or require environmentally friendly development practices. I don't think we can wait for the Feds to implement meaningful change and we as planners are in a position to make a difference now.
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My limited experience in farming and not seeing kiss the ground or caring enough to research more, I had an experimental farm that was trying to grow some kind of perennial wheat from some ancient grain and they would tell you how great this is for the farming industry. I asked a local farmer about it and he said it'll be great when they get the plant to grow at the same height. I guess wheat all grows so where you just cut at whatever height and get it all without much chaff. This stuff had a ton of chaff when you cut it because you had to cut it lower and the wheat would grow and different heights. So you lost yield and lost productivity because you wasted time dealing with chaff. So now I take all those my science is the best documentaries with a little salt.
 
Gedunker said:
When I first heard that Mike Pence refused his Secret Service detail’s urging for him to get in his limo during the Jan. 6 riots at the Capitol, saying something to the effect of “I trust you, but I’m not getting in the car”, I thought there was more to the story. The suggestion that Pence didn’t want photos or videos of him leaving the Capitol didn’t seem to fill the bill. Was Pence aware/suspicious of a plot to remove him from the Capitol? Now Secret Service text messages are irretrievably lost surrounding the 6th?

It’s probably coincidence, but there’s sure a lot of stink around it.
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I think that given the outcome of the 6th, coupled with the missing messages and Pence's reluctance with the secret service detail, I think he knew that the agency was compromised or at least worth taking extra precautions.
 
... let's just say Trump was a punch bowl floater that poisoned every throat that drank from that brimming bowl of only dregs. Many as yet have not reocvered from the deep wretch the steaming draft delivered.
 
dw914er said:
I think that given the outcome of the 6th, coupled with the missing messages and Pence's reluctance with the secret service detail, I think he knew that the agency was compromised or at least worth taking extra precautions.
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One of my great disappointments is Pence not fully turning on Trump and not engaged in these hearings. They literally tried to kill him. He knows things.
 
The George Floyd case and subsequent ones did not seem to affect these security guards' actions at a St. Louis hospital last April. The victim has since died, (allegedly of his kidney disease), but his daughter is continuing with the lawsuit.

"Moment frail black man, 52, awaiting kidney transplant is hurled to hospital floor then interrogated after security mistook him for car thief"
www.dailymail.co.uk

Moment black man, 52, awaiting kidney transplant is beaten

Video obtained by DailyMail.com shows the moment security guards at Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis, Missouri attacked Hughie Robinson, 52, as he looked for his car.
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, but his daughter is continuing with the lawsuit against the hospital.
 
From the NY Post & Wall St Journal - owned by Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan, whose family-owned trust also owns Fox News.


NY Post -
But as a matter of principle, as a matter of character,
Trump has proven himself unworthy to be this country’s chief executive again.
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Wall St. Journal -
"Character is revealed in a crisis, and Mr. Pence passed his Jan. 6 trial. Mr. Trump utterly failed his."
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JNA said:
From the NY Post & Wall St Journal - owned by Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan, whose family-owned trust also owns Fox News.


NY Post -


Wall St. Journal -
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It will be interesting to see the impact of the Murdoch's turn on Trump. Will we start to see the talking heads turn? I mean it is odd that Rupert is smart enough to see the Coup, but his leading voice is Tucker Carlson, who is clearly a complete moron (which isn't fair, he is just like Hannity, and cares more about ratings than our Country or its betterment). Quite the dichotomy.
 
Primary runoff day in my County. The big race is who will be the democratic nominee for Sherriff. The current sheriff came in second in the initial primaries, but it was close enough for a runoff. There was a very large pool of candidates and the current sheriff is not all that well liked, especially by officers in his department. Additionally, he has done some things that have been a bit questionable including delaying the issuance of gun permits and concealed carry licenses.

I predict that the guy who game in first in the primary will widen his lead and will go on to face the former sheriff (R) in the election this fall.
 
This is very politically specific, but also politically universal.



Yes...it's a very well executed homage to a certain scene in MP's Life of Brian.
 
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
 
Maister said:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
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Cool looking number system and really good salads?




But, let's shift gears with a simple question. Are we in a recession, who's fault is it, and how can we fix it?
 
michaelskis said:
Cool looking number system and really good salads?




But, let's shift gears with a simple question. Are we in a recession, who's fault is it, and how can we fix it?
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It depends on how and why you define recession.

It is the world's fault. I'm not sure why we always blame a singular being for things to happen, but I am going to with Boris Johnson.

We need corrections sometimes. We are looking more and more like it is that time.

Causes?
  • Fake housing market that was too hot, rates that were too low
  • Job market that isn't competitive anymore, which requires too high of wages to be paid for unskilled labor positions, which pushes up costs
  • Too low of taxes at the federal level, particularly at the highest levels, which makes investment in stupid sh!t (crypto) too easy.
  • COVID
  • Changing expectations for work/life balance or working from home causing unfamiliar purchasing habits, needs, and wants. (Did you know that RV sales had a great year?)
Nothing can singularly fix those things. We need to have people that actually want to address all the concerns, not just the democrat or republican talking points of the issues. Democrats won't admit you can't pay people $17/hour for certain jobs without a substantially negative impact up the chain for employment. Republicans are so lost they don't even have policies, but their terrible response to COVID is probably the biggest cause from their side.

Maybe we just lower our expectations? ;)
 
michaelskis said:
Cool looking number system and really good salads?




But, let's shift gears with a simple question. Are we in a recession, who's fault is it, and how can we fix it?
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Actually....the salad's creation is generally attributed to the restaurateur Caesar Cardini, an Italian immigrant who operated restaurants in Mexico and the United States. His daughter Rosa recounted that her father invented the salad at his restaurant Caesar's (at the Hotel Caesar in Tijuana, Mexico) when a Fourth of July rush in 1924 depleted the kitchen's supplies.

Recession question: I 'blame' the excessively low interest rates over the last 6-7 years, the private corporations that control the supply chain under the philosophy of the supremely fragile corporate concept of 'just in time delivery' and detrimentally severe immigration restrictions.
 
mendelman said:
Actually....the salad's creation is generally attributed to the restaurateur Caesar Cardini, an Italian immigrant who operated restaurants in Mexico and the United States. His daughter Rosa recounted that her father invented the salad at his restaurant Caesar's (at the Hotel Caesar in Tijuana, Mexico) when a Fourth of July rush in 1924 depleted the kitchen's supplies.
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Hink said:
It depends on how and why you define recession.

It is the world's fault. I'm not sure why we always blame a singular being for things to happen, but I am going to with Boris Johnson.

We need corrections sometimes. We are looking more and more like it is that time.

Causes?
  • Fake housing market that was too hot, rates that were too low
  • Job market that isn't competitive anymore, which requires too high of wages to be paid for unskilled labor positions, which pushes up costs
  • Too low of taxes at the federal level, particularly at the highest levels, which makes investment in stupid sh!t (crypto) too easy.
  • COVID
  • Changing expectations for work/life balance or working from home causing unfamiliar purchasing habits, needs, and wants. (Did you know that RV sales had a great year?)
Nothing can singularly fix those things. We need to have people that actually want to address all the concerns, not just the democrat or republican talking points of the issues. Democrats won't admit you can't pay people $17/hour for certain jobs without a substantially negative impact up the chain for employment. Republicans are so lost they don't even have policies, but their terrible response to COVID is probably the biggest cause from their side.

Maybe we just lower our expectations? ;)
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I agree with one addition to what you and Mendel posted. Personally, I believe the financial stimulus that both Bush and Obama pumped into the economy and the whole "Too Big To Fail" crap. We infused so much cash into the economy and suppressed interest rates which might have helped balance it out. The only thing that I am positive on, is that it's not Biden's fault. He is just in the chair when the past caught up to us.
 
michaelskis said:
Personally, I believe the financial stimulus that both Bush and Obama pumped into the economy and the whole "Too Big To Fail" crap. We infused so much cash into the economy and suppressed interest rates which might have helped balance it out.
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Um...you should not and, really, can not blame the current recession's origins on actions taken 13-21 years ago.

That's not how the economy works.

One could certainly 'blame' Covid direct stimuluses (under the US Government in 2020 and 2021), but they are one side of the same coin with the severe supply chain disruption in 2020-2021.

Also...2022 is saddled with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the essential commodity disruptions this caused/causes.
 
mendelman said:
Um...you should not and, really, can not blame the current recession's origins on actions taken 13-21 years ago.

That's not how the economy works.

One could certainly 'blame' Covid direct stimuluses (under the US Government in 2020 and 2021), but they are one side of the same coin with the severe supply chain disruption in 2020-2021.

Also...2022 is saddled with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the essential commodity disruptions this caused/causes.
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I would also add that it seems globalizations hens are coming home to roost. We are seeing a lot of issues with the global interactions that we have always just assumed were cheaper/better/etc. not exactly pan out well for us right now. This has increased the push for nationalism (which isn't completely bad, just when you riot and try to throw a coop). Investments into the infrastructure in the US is necessary and will be the path back, if the R's can get their heads out of their asses and start supporting US Solar instead of US Coal.

CHIPS is a good thing. More jobs here aren't important to me as much, it is the supply chain not requiring boats to go to ports that are undersized and not capable of meeting the needs of the 21st century, or wars impacting our ability to get a widget that that stops everything down the supply line.

For me the impact of the commodity market disruption was the most interesting piece of this pie so far. It isn't something we have seen in the recent past. And certainly not at the global scale we are seeing it at.
 
Hink said:
I would also add that it seems globalizations hens are coming home to roost. We are seeing a lot of issues with the global interactions that we have always just assumed were cheaper/better/etc. not exactly pan out well for us right now. This has increased the push for nationalism (which isn't completely bad, just when you riot and try to throw a coop). Investments into the infrastructure in the US is necessary and will be the path back, if the R's can get their heads out of their asses and start supporting US Solar instead of US Coal.

CHIPS is a good thing. More jobs here aren't important to me as much, it is the supply chain not requiring boats to go to ports that are undersized and not capable of meeting the needs of the 21st century, or wars impacting our ability to get a widget that that stops everything down the supply line.

For me the impact of the commodity market disruption was the most interesting piece of this pie so far. It isn't something we have seen in the recent past. And certainly not at the global scale we are seeing it at.
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Here's an article supporting some of globalization dilemmas.
www.thedrive.com

Shocker: Russia's War With Ukraine Dumped Its Car Industry 96 Percent In May

Most countries don't need a reason not to commit war crimes in Ukraine but for the one that does: it will tank your car industry
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com
 
So now, on top of "missing" Secret Service texts from Jan 6, so are key Department of Homeland Security officials' texts also missing, apparently deleted over a "phone replacement". Mm, hmm, sure, just a coincidence.
 
We have numerous lakes in Iowa that are unsafe to swim and are having fish kills from algae blooms caused by ag runoff and basically the public does not care.

Look!!! Gas Prices!!!!

Is there a reason I should not hate mankind? Man unkind
 
Hawkeye66 said:
We have numerous lakes in Iowa that are unsafe to swim and are having fish kills from algae blooms caused by ag runoff and basically the public does not care.

Look!!! Gas Prices!!!!

Is there a reason I should not hate mankind? Man unkind
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I wonder how many swim in Lake of Three Fires now that it is open. "sure you can swim there, just wear nose plugs and don't stir up sediment or an ameba might eat your brain"
 
Hawkeye66 said:
We have numerous lakes in Iowa that are unsafe to swim and are having fish kills from algae blooms caused by ag runoff and basically the public does not care.
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giff57 said:
I wonder how many swim in Lake of Three Fires now that it is open. "sure you can swim there, just wear nose plugs and don't stir up sediment or an ameba might eat your brain"
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Are all the excess algae blooms from ag runoff, or are there also some invasive algae species there?
 
giff57 said:
I wonder how many swim in Lake of Three Fires now that it is open. "sure you can swim there, just wear nose plugs and don't stir up sediment or an ameba might eat your brain"
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I actually went swimming there with my kids about 3 years ago lol.
 
giff57 said:
I wonder how many swim in Lake of Three Fires now that it is open. "sure you can swim there, just wear nose plugs and don't stir up sediment or an ameba might eat your brain"
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You weren't kidding about the brain-eating ameba!
"Swimmer infected with brain-eating amoeba after visiting an Iowa beach has died, officials say"
www.cnn.com

Swimmer infected with brain-eating amoeba after visiting an Iowa beach has died, officials say | CNN

A Missouri resident diagnosed this month with an infection from a brain-eating amoeba after visiting a beach in Iowa has died, according to the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services (DHSS).
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
78rpm said:
You weren't kidding about the brain-eating ameba!
"Swimmer infected with brain-eating amoeba after visiting an Iowa beach has died, officials say"
www.cnn.com

Swimmer infected with brain-eating amoeba after visiting an Iowa beach has died, officials say | CNN

A Missouri resident diagnosed this month with an infection from a brain-eating amoeba after visiting a beach in Iowa has died, according to the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services (DHSS).
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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No and they reopened the beach!
 
Back in the '60s, my parents raised my aunt and uncle's toddler and newborn for about two years because my aunt contracted some rare brain-eating amoeba. She was pregnant with her second child when my uncle was getting out of the Navy and the drove back from San Diego to Detroit. They think she contracted the parasite when they stopped at some roadside place somewhere in Arizona, ate lunch outside under a couple of trees and then waded into a little stream to cool down.

I guess my aunt started feeling ill pretty quickly but they didn't go to a doctor until they got back to Michigan a few days later and they were only able to correctly diagnose her because somebody at the doctor's office or hospital had previously had experience with this type of thing. She ended up staying in the hospital for a few months through the birth of their second child and then it took her over a year to be healthy enough and regain her motor skills to the point where she could care for their kids. At that point, she was one of the few people known to have survived this particular parasite.


Also I love a good Caesar Salad but I always feel like their such a rip-off to order at a restaurant. I mean, it's just lettuce, croutons, and dressing! Talk about a big money maker!
 
mendelman said:
Um...you should not and, really, can not blame the current recession's origins on actions taken 13-21 years ago.

That's not how the economy works.

One could certainly 'blame' Covid direct stimuluses (under the US Government in 2020 and 2021), but they are one side of the same coin with the severe supply chain disruption in 2020-2021.

Also...2022 is saddled with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the essential commodity disruptions this caused/causes.
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I completely agree with COVID, but and normally I would agree that is not how the economy works. Normally those past actions are slowly absorbed into general market conditions. However the feds have done other things including keeping interest rates artificially low anytime some starts to panic (which was almost all the time). Combine that with the multiple sessions of QE to the banks and the Stimulus checks to the people, it is a slow cooker recipe for disaster.
 
78rpm said:
You weren't kidding about the brain-eating ameba!
"Swimmer infected with brain-eating amoeba after visiting an Iowa beach has died, officials say"
www.cnn.com

Swimmer infected with brain-eating amoeba after visiting an Iowa beach has died, officials say | CNN

A Missouri resident diagnosed this month with an infection from a brain-eating amoeba after visiting a beach in Iowa has died, according to the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services (DHSS).
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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We're under the now normal "don't go into the Gulf of Mexico with any scratches or open wounds" part of summer because the water is warm enough for flesh eating parasites. When we were kids, my parents always told us how good salt water was for healing wounds. (They were not doctors and also occasionally gave us whiskey for a sore throat).

Its sad to watch the whiplash between politicians talking about how we need to encourage more tourism on the gulf and we also need to reduce environmental protections on waste discharge and new oil leases in the gulf.
 
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