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We have numerous lakes in Iowa that are unsafe to swim and are having fish kills from algae blooms caused by ag runoff and basically the public does not care.
The mega-church my rock band rehearses at is having mass whole body baptisms in its detention pond next week. This "lake" is well-known by geese and ducks and is surrounded by ag fields, not to mention being the repository for its 3-acre parking lot.

It is just outside of Champaign, Illinois but this should work out well.
 
Article - Inside the War Between Trump and His Generals

Independence Day Parade



Generals
...just shoot them...problem over.

The mega-church my rock band rehearses at is having mass whole body baptisms in its detention pond next week. This "lake" is well-known by geese and ducks and is surrounded by ag fields, not to mention being the repository for its 3-acre parking lot.

It is just outside of Champaign, Illinois but this should work out well.
...take me to the river etc...
 
The mega-church my rock band rehearses at is having mass whole body baptisms in its detention pond next week. This "lake" is well-known by geese and ducks and is surrounded by ag fields, not to mention being the repository for its 3-acre parking lot.

It is just outside of Champaign, Illinois but this should work out well.
Who is up for some salvation?
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I'm :skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones::skullcrossbones:


Moderator note:

@estromberg: This Twitter link was removed as a clear fake and obvious misinformation.
Don't post misinformation again. Thanks.
That was the point and why I was :skullcrossbones: . Misinformation? As if. Anyone that watches this can see that is clearly edited. The point was DeSantis commentary on the search warrant being executed at Rebekah Jones (the whistleblower regarding his fraudulent covid numbers) house was the perfect commentary to this string on Hannity. Of course it was edited and fake, that was the whole point.

Moderators gonna moderate, but come on we're all intelligent enough here to spot an obvious fake parody.

The original video is pretty easy to find and is worth watching.

The mega-church my rock band rehearses at is having mass whole body baptisms in its detention pond next week. This "lake" is well-known by geese and ducks and is surrounded by ag fields, not to mention being the repository for its 3-acre parking lot.

It is just outside of Champaign, Illinois but this should work out well.
Is it like a special day for this or something? Willow Creek in the Chicago burbs was doing this this weekend, too. A FB friend of mine was there.
 
That was the point and why I was :skullcrossbones: . Misinformation? As if. Anyone that watches this can see that is clearly edited. The point was DeSantis commentary on the search warrant being executed at Rebekah Jones (the whistleblower regarding his fraudulent covid numbers) house was the perfect commentary to this string on Hannity. Of course it was edited and fake, that was the whole point.

Moderators gonna moderate, but come on we're all intelligent enough here to spot an obvious fake parody.

The original video is pretty easy to find and is worth watching.
I hear what you're saying, but then the original post needed more narrative context as to your intent.

Thanks
 
The mega-church my rock band rehearses at is having mass whole body baptisms in its detention pond next week.

Are the church leaders really that unaware of the potential filth in and around those things? Also, is everyone in the congregation unable to rationally make a suggestion to maybe scope out a more picturesque location? I guess with gas prices as high as they are, that it probably makes sense to go as close as you can. But then again, and I am not a christian by any sense, perhaps baptisms are of a such a low esteem these days that any container of pisswater will do?
 
Are the church leaders really that unaware of the potential filth in and around those things? Also, is everyone in the congregation unable to rationally make a suggestion to maybe scope out a more picturesque location? I guess with gas prices as high as they are, that it probably makes sense to go as close as you can. But then again, and I am not a christian by any sense, perhaps baptisms are of a such a low esteem these days that any container of pisswater will do?
There is a full sized dunk tank I mean baptismal font in the church that is arguably 1000x cleaner.
 
The part that confuses me is this:

My questions are why does the presence of an SRO increase violence in schools, how was it measured, and are kids being arrested for no reason or are there other things going on.
John Oliver's Last Week Tonight had a good discussion of SROs following the Ulvalde Shooting. I know that there are going to be elements you won't agree with on the segment, but it does offer a good perspective that the benefits of SROs really have been inconsistent, and in some cases can make things worse for the kids in school as discipline has moved from the school and their admin to the police.


On the Trump side, I did find Legal Eagle's analysis pretty helpful - he does great videos that help shed light into different legal situations.

 
Republicans are not capable of winning a presidential election with a majority of voters. They rely on the anachronism that is the electoral college. Who was the last Repub to actually win a majority of voters? Bush 1?
 
Republicans are not capable of winning a presidential election with a majority of voters. They rely on the anachronism that is the electoral college. Who was the last Repub to actually win a majority of voters? Bush 1?
The GOP presidential candidate has won the popular vote only once (2004) during the last 30 years.
 
Crudités or veggie trays? Mehmet Oz’s grocery store video is roasted.
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Mehmet Oz says he was 'exhausted' when he filmed viral 'Wegner's' gaffe, adding it's not a big deal because 'I've gotten my kids' names wrong as well'
 
Crudités or veggie trays? Mehmet Oz’s grocery store video is roasted.
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Mehmet Oz says he was 'exhausted' when he filmed viral 'Wegner's' gaffe, adding it's not a big deal because 'I've gotten my kids' names wrong as well'
I saw that this morning. Definitely an unforced error on Oz's part. I had to laugh at the Lincoln Project tweet "just a man of the people shopping for crudites".

Guaranteed the argument that shopping for crudites at one's (mis-named) local grocery chain has become expensive is definitely not going to resonate with the yinzer crowd.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if it'll only be after my dying day that I no longer hear the name "Donald Trump".

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‘Don’t we have enough trees around here?’

Joni Mitchell - Big Yellow Taxi
They took all the trees
Put 'em in a tree museum *
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see 'em

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
 
Looks like 10K in student loans is about to go "whoosh" for a lot of people.
Still not a fan, but we shall see if this has any actual impact on families. Although I think the policy is pointless, I do like that they are at least trying to do things. I would prefer we spend that money teach people to go into fields that require a college education, or work with companies to stop requiring college educations for jobs that don't need them.

The college is required and the only way to be successful time seems to be waning, thankfully. If this money gets those who were sold a fake bill of goods or who got stuck somehow, great. But we need to do more to not have kids get liberal arts degrees that cost $100,000 of debt, when there are not any jobs that need such degrees. Get a professional degree, get something that provides value to your future employer.

The problem is that kids think they need to go to college to be successful and to make a certain amount of money, which is clearly not true. Social Media influencers have proven that to be untrue ;)

I am still pushing for my kids to go to college, but I hope they understand the cost, the expectation to pay it back, and the responsibility of that action. I don't like the forgiveness for that reason alone. You took the debt, you should pay off that debt. Personally, that is what I did. That is what I would expect my kids to do.

I am happy for those who are impacted positively by this, and hope that it will allow their lives to be better though. I know there are some where this will most certainly make their lives better, even if $10,000 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of the college debt issue.
 
Still not a fan, but we shall see if this has any actual impact on families. Although I think the policy is pointless, I do like that they are at least trying to do things. I would prefer we spend that money teach people to go into fields that require a college education, or work with companies to stop requiring college educations for jobs that don't need them.

The college is required and the only way to be successful time seems to be waning, thankfully. If this money gets those who were sold a fake bill of goods or who got stuck somehow, great. But we need to do more to not have kids get liberal arts degrees that cost $100,000 of debt, when there are not any jobs that need such degrees. Get a professional degree, get something that provides value to your future employer.

The problem is that kids think they need to go to college to be successful and to make a certain amount of money, which is clearly not true. Social Media influencers have proven that to be untrue ;)

I am still pushing for my kids to go to college, but I hope they understand the cost, the expectation to pay it back, and the responsibility of that action. I don't like the forgiveness for that reason alone. You took the debt, you should pay off that debt. Personally, that is what I did. That is what I would expect my kids to do.

I am happy for those who are impacted positively by this, and hope that it will allow their lives to be better though. I know there are some where this will most certainly make their lives better, even if $10,000 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of the college debt issue.
Literally the building construction trades are dying for new recruits and one can make very good money (upper 5 figures) as early as ~20-21 years old.

HVAC expertise is very well paid especially if you can especially in medical/healthcare building HVAC.

And think about the emergency cost for our plumbers to fix the toilet at 3p on a Sunday.
 
Literally the building construction trades are dying for new recruits and one can make very good money (upper 5 figures) as early as ~20-21 years old.

HVAC expertise is very well paid especially if you can especially in medical/healthcare building HVAC.

And think about the emergency cost for our plumbers to fix the toilet at 3p on a Sunday.
Yep. And we don't have enough trade schools, because we can't get teachers... I would have loved to see some of that money go there... but again, at least they are trying something, instead of saying, "that won't work". Like with guns...
 
Not a fan of the loan forgiveness across the board. I am for certain professions. I paid off my loans a long time ago, but more recently with my own kids they went to state schools and worked for scholarships and took jobs while going to school and are leaving with little if any debt. Now it feels like they are being penalized for making responsible choices.
 
Kjel had a lot of great thoughts on this quite a while back. It's just crazy to me that people that have been paying their bills for years have a higher balance (and sometimes MUCH higher) than when they started. The whole thing needs to be blown up. I'll be honest when I went back to school a few years ago to get my MPA I borrowed about 2/3rds of what I needed and paid for the rest as I went. It wasn't a crazy amount and I've been paying. Even during the pause which in hindsight was a stupid money move as I should have invested that payment money. Live and learn. This action today will wipe out my remaining debt so personally it does help me but I'm still not sure this is the right thing to do.
 
I am still pushing for my kids to go to college, but I hope they understand the cost, the expectation to pay it back, and the responsibility of that action. I don't like the forgiveness for that reason alone. You took the debt, you should pay off that debt. Personally, that is what I did. That is what I would expect my kids to do.

We have an excellent community college that is teaches more nurses than the nearby SEC school. Their tech, HVAC, welding, and industrial programs can get kids hired right out of high school making $25-35 an hour for as many hours as they want. In most cases the kids don't have to pay a dime either through employment agreements, state/federal workforce programs, or dual enrollment.

I push the their programs to just about anyone will listen, but I still told my stepdaughter I thought she should go to a 4 year. She faints at the site of blood and I don't think she'd do well at die casting or auto repair. If she stays in the design program she's in. She'll come out making less than the CC students. I wanted her to have a traditional college experience and thought it would serve her better. I'm probably just a snob or hypocrite.
 
We have an excellent community college that is teaches more nurses than the nearby SEC school. Their tech, HVAC, welding, and industrial programs can get kids hired right out of high school making $25-35 an hour for as many hours as they want. In most cases the kids don't have to pay a dime either through employment agreements, state/federal workforce programs, or dual enrollment.

I push the their programs to just about anyone will listen, but I still told my stepdaughter I thought she should go to a 4 year. She faints at the site of blood and I don't think she'd do well at die casting or auto repair. If she stays in the design program she's in. She'll come out making less than the CC students. I wanted her to have a traditional college experience and thought it would serve her better. I'm probably just a snob or hypocrite.
My hometown CC had similar courses and such.

In Ohio, many counties have a very good JVS (Joint Vocational School) that is a public school and often has very good trades and service training programs. The JVS in the OH county I moved from last year was an exceptional education provider. The building official at my last job (in the same county) had his oldest grandson go through the HVAC trade program starting his junior year and then graduated (for free) as any experienced apprentice that moved on to making $30-40/hr doing HVAC maintenance and installation. He made even more once he started doing traveling work around the country. You can do that when you're 20-21 with no debt, single with no dependents.

If one of my boys wants to move into the construction trades, I'd enthusiastically help him do it.
 
If one of my boys wants to move into the construction trades, I'd enthusiastically help him do it.
I would as well. I think that we have also seen the recession-proof-ness (if that is a word) of the trades. We may be laying off software engineers, but we still need plumbers, electricians, and HVAC experts.
 
Still not a fan, but we shall see if this has any actual impact on families. Although I think the policy is pointless, I do like that they are at least trying to do things. I would prefer we spend that money teach people to go into fields that require a college education, or work with companies to stop requiring college educations for jobs that don't need them.

The college is required and the only way to be successful time seems to be waning, thankfully. If this money gets those who were sold a fake bill of goods or who got stuck somehow, great. But we need to do more to not have kids get liberal arts degrees that cost $100,000 of debt, when there are not any jobs that need such degrees. Get a professional degree, get something that provides value to your future employer.

The problem is that kids think they need to go to college to be successful and to make a certain amount of money, which is clearly not true. Social Media influencers have proven that to be untrue ;)

I am still pushing for my kids to go to college, but I hope they understand the cost, the expectation to pay it back, and the responsibility of that action. I don't like the forgiveness for that reason alone. You took the debt, you should pay off that debt. Personally, that is what I did. That is what I would expect my kids to do.

I am happy for those who are impacted positively by this, and hope that it will allow their lives to be better though. I know there are some where this will most certainly make their lives better, even if $10,000 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of the college debt issue.
A "liberal" education has inestimable value in terms of personal development, but college education has been commoditized and put up for sale as a consumer product. Buyers have been preyed on by the finance industry as conservative states back further away from public funding at the behest of corporate loan sharks. Schools jacked up tuitions at double digit rates year by year.
Both my children earned state lottery paid scholarships, though one had to borrow money for housing after their stock-based college funds lost half their value in the 08 collapse. Federal loan programs require co-signers, usually parents, who have to foot the bill in events of students' failure to pay.
I hate to use a worn out word, but the education system is "rigged".
 
I don't really have a problem with the government providing the debt forgiveness (in fact, I actually wish the limits were even bigger). The government (states and federal) are largely responsible for the situation by decades of disinvestment in the public higher education system causing tuition to rise so dramatically so I feel they have some obligation to help lower that existing burden when they can. I think the new cap of payments on income-based repayment plans maxing out at 5% of the borrowers' income is also going to be a bigger deal than the actual forgiveness for a lot of people.

If I had one nit to pick with the plan it would be that it wasn't accompanied with any sort of effort to lower the cost of higher education for future students. I have a fear that we're just going to be back in the same situation a few years down the line.

And frankly, I'm really tired of the, "I paid my way, so should everybody else" argument. To me, this is right up there with the, "We cannot do it that way because we've always done it this way" argument against changing things that is so prevalent in too much of government. If we have the opportunity to improve the situation for so many for such a relatively small cost, again, I feel there is an obligation to do so. Don't make everybody suffer just because I had to.
 
If I had one nit to pick with the plan it would be that it wasn't accompanied with any sort of effort to lower the cost of higher education for future students. I have a fear that we're just going to be back in the same situation a few years down the line.
Could not agree more with this statement. It's just like the Affordable Care Act. In the end it didn't one GD thing to actually lower health care costs.

You know you have a problem when people who have been paying on their loans all along have a balance that is larger than when they started even years later.
 
I don't really have a problem with the government providing the debt forgiveness (in fact, I actually wish the limits were even bigger). The government (states and federal) are largely responsible for the situation by decades of disinvestment in the public higher education system causing tuition to rise so dramatically so I feel they have some obligation to help lower that existing burden when they can. I think the new cap of payments on income-based repayment plans maxing out at 5% of the borrowers' income is also going to be a bigger deal than the actual forgiveness for a lot of people.

If I had one nit to pick with the plan it would be that it wasn't accompanied with any sort of effort to lower the cost of higher education for future students. I have a fear that we're just going to be back in the same situation a few years down the line.

And frankly, I'm really tired of the, "I paid my way, so should everybody else" argument. To me, this is right up there with the, "We cannot do it that way because we've always done it this way" argument against changing things that is so prevalent in too much of government. If we have the opportunity to improve the situation for so many for such a relatively small cost, again, I feel there is an obligation to do so. Don't make everybody suffer just because I had to.
I think it is more "responsibility for your actions" argument for me.

I also agree that liberal arts degrees "round out" people, but I think it is silly to have round people that can't find a job or make money.

I think we need to find a way to figure out the gap between valuable education, and wasted time and effort. I would love to get free money to study things I love, but at some point you have to have the responsibility to understand that you need to only get degrees if they help you either A. Get you a job or B. Make you more money. If they don't do those things, than just research stuff online and don't go into debt.
 
You know you have a problem when people who have been paying on their loans all along have a balance that is larger than when they started even years later.


^^^This is the root of the issue. Why, after paying the payment for 5 years, is your balance higher than when you got the loan in the first place? Why is it different than buying a car or house? Here's how much you borrowed, here's how much your interest is, here's how much you pay a month for this many years/payments & you're done.

I may be naïve since I went college so long ago & had no loans. I did setup a 529 for The Girl so when she went, undergrad was paid for. However grad school is all up to her so we'll see about if she'll want to go immediately & potential loan 'products' which are available when that time comes.
 
I also agree that liberal arts degrees "round out" people, but I think it is silly to have round people that can't find a job or make money.
The image of an unemployed liberal arts major is a popular cliche, but I wonder how much actual basis in reality it has. I don't think it's that black or white. Anecdotally, I personally have known lots of folks with liberal arts educations that were not only well-rounded but also gainfully employed. In fact, I have never personally encountered anyone matching the liberal arts cliche.
 
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