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You have to sign a 'Loyalty Pledge' to be on the Florida election ballot. This applies to DeSatan & tRump too. :rofl:

Ha...big deal. Trump does nothing in good faith, so he'll sign it and then just ignore it. And they'll all do the same.

It's all performative hoo-ha anyways. It's meaningless gestures to pull the wool over the eyes of the choir.
 
Ha...big deal. Trump does nothing in good faith, so he'll sign it and then just ignore it. And they'll all do the same.

It's all performative hoo-ha anyways. It's meaningless gestures to pull the wool over the eyes of the choir.

Exactly - this is merely about drawing attention to their race and that's it. I do think a debate between Desantis and Trump would be entertaining given just how much Ron will be ridiculed, though it ultimately is not a great look for leadership.
 
Mr. Gravel sounds about as popular among planners as James Kunstler.
@fringe @bureaucrat#3

Yeah, about Mr. Gravel...


Might be behind the paywall, so:

OPINION: Beltline visionary gets testy with opponent as rail up for vote

OK, I’ll admit it, I’m a hater. I disagree with Beltline visionary Ryan Gravel, so I suppose that categorizes me as a crank.

Gravel believes there should be a 22-mile loop of expensive light rail squeezed onto the Beltline. I, like a growing number of skeptical grouches, believe it’s a bad use of limited resources.

For a generation, Gravel has been viewed as a Local Treasure after his 1999 Georgia Tech thesis about reusing abandoned rail lines kicked off what became the Beltline. But who knew the plucky student-turned-urban designer had a mean streak in him?

Case in point is Katharine Chestnut, who had the temerity to place a sign outside her Inman Park home saying “No Streetcar Now,” a placard that pointed out the proposed line would cost $200 million for two miles, cut down 150 trees and would get no federal funding. (Actually, it’s $230 million for 2.5 miles.)

Gravel, frustrated from his 20-year wait for Beltline streetcars, posted on Instagram a picture of Chestnut’s home and the offending sign. Then he added her address, a schematic of where her home sat on the street and how much it was worth.

“Dear haters, at $1m, y’all are going to be ok,” he posted. “The Atlanta #Beltline is supposed to be for everyone, not just you.”

When someone responded it’s “not cool to put someone’s home on social media,” Gravel shot back that it’s “not cool of them to advocate for disenfranchising half of Atlanta.”

The debate continued raged online, with several people saying “Attaboy, Ryan!” and others saying, “Stop doxxing folks who disagree with you.”

I called Chesnut, who was still hopping mad.

“I was like, ‘Really, dude? What’s your problem?’ It’s bullying. He thinks he can get away with it,” she told me. “His paper was written like 20 years ago. It’s not the Holy Grail!”

A decade ago, Chestnut moved to a street near what would become the Beltline so her daughter could attend Grady High School (now called Midtown High School). She later opened a co-working space business on the Beltline.

She says connecting the woefully underused downtown streetcar to the Beltline would have it running up several narrow blocks of residential streets and then would preclude construction of dedicated bike and scooter lanes on the trail. Those would separate those walking from those rolling.

If you’ve walked the crowded East Beltline, where the streetcars would be, you know that you’re taking your life — as well as your kids’ and pets’ lives — into your own hands.

Weeks ago, someone stole a sign from Chestnut’s home and one from her business, so she replaced them with two signs at home and another zip-tied to a pole at work. I asked why she was targeted on social media, she said, “Because MARTA is getting to a point to spend some big money on the project and those who are pro (rail) are trying to silence those who disagree.”

On Thursday, the MARTA board will almost certainly OK spending $11.5 million to design the extension, some 2.5 miles of double track up to the Ponce City Market.

In April, MARTA board members voted 8-0, with two abstentions, to move the project forward. But several of those members expressed wariness, held their noses and then voted in favor. Those with doubts reasoned that it’s Atlanta’s money (from a sales tax added in 2016) and Mayor Andre Dickens wants it, so who are we to stand in the way?

Dickens told me he has no doubts about the project. I understand. Mayors want to point to stuff they built after leaving office.

As for Gravel, he told me he “certainly didn’t mean to bully (Chestnut).”

He noted the home’s address was visible from the street (vaguely, I must add) and the signs were public. As to adding her address and the home value to his post, he said those came from the Zillow real estate site, so I might take it up with them.

Well, OK. Still comes off like a jerk move.

Gravel has carved out a nice career as The Beltline Guy and is irked by the long wait.

He says rail has been part of the plan from the start. He insists the Beltline — which has become a long linear park bordered by condos, offices and eateries — would not even exist without the planned rail component.

Perhaps, but it has done quite nicely without rail.

he city, he said, has been “committed (to the rail design) for 18 years; we’ve had money for seven. We’re dragging our feet. I’m frustrated.”

“It comes to the question, ‘Are they going to build the rail or not?” Gravel said. “The city of Atlanta and thousands of people have for years have consistently said, ‘This is what we want.’ "

But is spending $230 million for 2.5 miles of rail that might not get used good policy?

“We spend billions of dollars all the time and we don’t ask questions about benefits,” he said. He noted that building an interstate link from Macon to Dublin wouldn’t make sense without being part of the massive interstate system.

“Every mile of 285 doesn’t justify itself,” he said, adding, “You have to build the whole system,” meaning the whole 22 miles of the Beltline.

“Will, the first segment have the ridership? I don’t know,” Gravel said. “You have to start somewhere.”

My guess is if they build it — and they don’t come — we will have this discussion again and again well into the days when the former Georgia Tech student is a pensioner.
 
@fringe @bureaucrat#3

Yeah, about Mr. Gravel...


Might be behind the paywall, so:
Ugh. I still think he is right about Stone Mountain. BTW my great great something was a boy in grey that lived to sign a promise at his discharge not to take up arms again. I am not a fan of ancestor worship.
 
My daughter borrowed under FAFSA, paid off the whole 13K in one year, yet when she applied to finance a car she got zero credit history benefit.
Well that's the problem! She went and paid off the loan early. No credit agency likes that.
 
What is nuts to me is that the removal of 40k+ of debt has had ZERO impact on my credit score.
Most likely because they've been on your reports so long. Minimal impact on my scores as well. Revolving credit has a much greater impact on your scores.
My daughter borrowed under FAFSA, paid off the whole 13K in one year, yet when she applied to finance a car she got zero credit history benefit.
It's because it didn't have the chance to go into repayment. It's the payment history that helps. The upside is that she won't be carrying those student loans for a long time.
 
Most likely because they've been on your reports so long. Minimal impact on my scores as well. Revolving credit has a much greater impact on your scores.

It's because it didn't have the chance to go into repayment. It's the payment history that helps. The upside is that she won't be carrying those student loans for a long time.
Likely also because I had to co-sign becuz she was only 20 yrs old.
 
You think climate change deniers are thinking, "if we just get through this people will forget".

Remember when they were all like, it is snowing and the world is cold! It isn't warming!


I am still on the team of if it is a conspiracy theory, it likely isn't something I am going to support. Expert consensus is valuable to me.

Sure, I may be looking silly when BigFoot shows up at my kids 21st birthday, but I am okay with that.
 
Ha...big deal. Trump does nothing in good faith, so he'll sign it and then just ignore it. And they'll all do the same.

It's all performative hoo-ha anyways. It's meaningless gestures to pull the wool over the eyes of the choir.
I liked Chris Christie's response when asked if he would sign. He said he would and would give it all the consideration Trump did when he signed (disregarded) it in 2016.
 
One of our local reps is going after the state colleges for free speech. It sounds like some lady was fired after setting up some right wing lecture series. The series went on. The school says they fired her because the donor who paid for her job backed out. FYI, all the state schools here have a green light from some organization regarding free speech on campus. So this rep says he doesn't trust schools, blah, blah. I wanted to know if he every went to school. Kind of. He has an associates degree from Western International University, one of those diploma mills and mostly online. He also went to Northern Arizona later in life, but I suspect it was online because his work has always been in the Phoenix area. It doesn't list a degree, but his website does say he has one. Suspicious. So he never actually went to college as a normal kid and experienced college life, but he's going to set the standard for it now?

I also had to look up his work history. He was a code enforcement officer for years with Phoenix then went to the small town of El Mirage where he was fired for lying to the PD about some lost equipment and put on the state list of people who should never be cops because they lied or did something wrong. He also works as a PI collecting against insurance fraud people. So he's one of those wanna be cops. He actually list Tombstone reserve marshall in his work history! It's an honorary position in his case.

Is this seriously the quality of elected leaders we get now? I've always felt we don't get good leaders because we're all to busy actually doing things. Kind of like the old saying those that can't do teach, well those that can't productively provide in society become politicians.
 
One of our local reps is going after the state colleges for free speech. It sounds like some lady was fired after setting up some right wing lecture series. The series went on. The school says they fired her because the donor who paid for her job backed out. FYI, all the state schools here have a green light from some organization regarding free speech on campus. So this rep says he doesn't trust schools, blah, blah. I wanted to know if he every went to school. Kind of. He has an associates degree from Western International University, one of those diploma mills and mostly online. He also went to Northern Arizona later in life, but I suspect it was online because his work has always been in the Phoenix area. It doesn't list a degree, but his website does say he has one. Suspicious. So he never actually went to college as a normal kid and experienced college life, but he's going to set the standard for it now?

I also had to look up his work history. He was a code enforcement officer for years with Phoenix then went to the small town of El Mirage where he was fired for lying to the PD about some lost equipment and put on the state list of people who should never be cops because they lied or did something wrong. He also works as a PI collecting against insurance fraud people. So he's one of those wanna be cops. He actually list Tombstone reserve marshall in his work history! It's an honorary position in his case.

Is this seriously the quality of elected leaders we get now? I've always felt we don't get good leaders because we're all to busy actually doing things. Kind of like the old saying those that can't do teach, well those that can't productively provide in society become politicians.
More proof that Arizona is Florida West.
 
We used to keep up with Florida, but man Florida really took off with the crazy a few years back and we just stopped trying so hard. I mean you just can't compete with holding up a fast food joint with a gator.
 
Not sure exactly how I should proceed with this knowledge.
I just know this timely existential issue is of unsurpassed importance.

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New York Times
18 July 2023
Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025
The former president and his backers aim to strengthen the power of the White House and limit the independence of federal agencies.
Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.
. . .
Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.
He wants to revive the practice of “impounding” funds, refusing to spend money Congress has appropriated for programs a president doesn’t like — a tactic that lawmakers banned under President Richard Nixon.

He intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as “the sick political class that hates our country.”
Mr. Trump and his advisers are making no secret of their intentions — proclaiming them in rallies and on his campaign website, describing them in white papers and openly discussing them.

“What we’re trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and seize them,” said Russell T. Vought, who ran the Office of Management and Budget in the Trump White House and now runs a policy organization, the Center for Renewing America.

The strategy in talking openly about such “paradigm-shifting ideas” before the election, Mr. Vought said, is to “plant a flag” — both to shift the debate and to later be able to claim a mandate. He said he was delighted to see few of Mr. Trump’s Republican primary rivals defend the norm of Justice Department independence after the former president openly attacked it.
{Much more in article.}

PROJECT 2025​
A $22 million presidential transition operation that is preparing policies, personnel lists and transition plans to recommend to any Republican who may win the 2024 election.
The transition project, the scale of which is unprecedented in conservative politics, is led by the Heritage Foundation, a think tank that has shaped the personnel and policies of Republican administrations since the Reagan presidency.
 
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Yes, he is following the Emperor Palpatine method of doing away with the Senate and consolidating power to himself. Shocking.
 
Rudy says a "criminal should not be in the White House" - thinks he forgot something

Also he admitted to defamation of character of 2 Georgia election workers...prior to the defamation lawsuit.
 
If you're innocent, why are deleting evidence? Just asking.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) filed a superseding indictment Thursday evening, accusing the former president of attempting to delete surveillance footage at his Mar-a-Lago property. It also included an additional Espionage Act charge based on a military document that Trump boasted of having in a 2021 meeting.
 
Rudy says a "criminal should not be in the White House" - thinks he forgot something

Also he admitted to defamation of character of 2 Georgia election workers...prior to the defamation lawsuit.
Hopefully those ladies are getting close to a settlement.
 
Just so we are clear, Tommy Tuberville isn't just an obstructionalist in government, who is less than intelligent. He also is a climate change denier... WINNER! :pointandlaugh:

There is a news clip that has him recently saying it is "summer", and that is why it is hot. I found this on his Senate page...

Come on Phoenix, it is just Summer. Suck it up.
 
" Now, no one should really get hung up on whether sufficient proof exists to convict Joe Biden of a financial crime. That's irrelevant here." Laura Ingram
 
Just so we are clear, Tommy Tuberville isn't just an obstructionalist in government, who is less than intelligent. He also is a climate change denier... WINNER! :pointandlaugh:

There is a news clip that has him recently saying it is "summer", and that is why it is hot. I found this on his Senate page...

Come on Phoenix, it is just Summer. Suck it up.
The only positive with Tubs is record of 4-3 against Saban. His record in office so far has been bad. His goal of prioritizing the military and veterans has been a disaster. He'll keep getting elected, because he's talking bout the issues.
 
Just a couple years ago when some on the left were crying 'defund the police', many people on the right were screaming how terrible that was.

Now, some people on the right are saying 'defund the FBI' with all seriousness and without an ounce of irony.
 
Just a couple years ago when some on the left were crying 'defund the police', many people on the right were screaming how terrible that was.

Now, some people on the right are saying 'defund the FBI' with all seriousness and without an ounce of irony.
It's different, not hypocrisy. ;)
 
Just so we are clear, Tommy Tuberville isn't just an obstructionalist in government, who is less than intelligent. He also is a climate change denier... WINNER! :pointandlaugh:

There is a news clip that has him recently saying it is "summer", and that is why it is hot. I found this on his Senate page...

Come on Phoenix, it is just Summer. Suck it up.
EVERYTHING IS FINE, it's just summer!

Biblical flooding in Beijing after heaviest rain in 140 years

More than 800,000 people were forced to relocate in and around Beijing after nearly 30 inches of rain triggered some of the worst flooding in the city’s history.
 
Most people even down here, are at the point where they will admit that the weather is different than it was. They can now admit that the extreme heat is starting earlier in the year or its not cooling down at night like it used to. We've also had some people suggest that there may be something going on with us having 4 - 100 year rain events and 1 - 500 year rain events in the last 4 years. Finally, its hard to ignore when your area gets designated as a tornado alley.

I would say a majority of people around here don't feel the weather changes are tied to anything the human race has done other than sin. The common responses include:
  • its just cyclical.
  • people today are wimps
  • its the beginning of the "End Times"
Not going to change until it hits them in the pocket book. Eventually, insurance, gas prices, and cooling bills will start pushing more people to at least be more conscientious.
 
Most people even down here, are at the point where they will admit that the weather is different than it was. They can now admit that the extreme heat is starting earlier in the year or its not cooling down at night like it used to. We've also had some people suggest that there may be something going on with us having 4 - 100 year rain events and 1 - 500 year rain events in the last 4 years. Finally, its hard to ignore when your area gets designated as a tornado alley.

I would say a majority of people around here don't feel the weather changes are tied to anything the human race has done other than sin. The common responses include:
  • its just cyclical.
  • people today are wimps
  • its the beginning of the "End Times"
Not going to change until it hits them in the pocket book. Eventually, insurance, gas prices, and cooling bills will start pushing more people to at least be more conscientious.

I mean, they're not wrong except for what sin they're thinking of.
 
Mr. tRump now wants 'his' Supreme Court to make his legal troubles go away. :rofl:

Mr. DeSatan at a barbecue on Sunday, told diners how he'll deal with federal employees - "We're going to have all of these deep state people, you know, we are going to start slitting throats on Day One," :omg:



It's only going to get worse from here folks.
 
Down in ATL DA Fani Willis is about to drop her hammer. She promises the Donald will be fingerprinted and mugshot like anyone else.
 
Ha...big deal. Trump does nothing in good faith, so he'll sign it and then just ignore it. And they'll all do the same.

It's all performative hoo-ha anyways. It's meaningless gestures to pull the wool over the eyes of the choir.
When I worked at my college library long ago I had to sign a loyalty pledge and certify that I was not a Communist or a member of a long list of denigrated organizations, one of which was the Abraham Lincoln brigade of mercenaries featured in Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls.
 
So Ohio overwhelmingly crushed a ballot initiative to make putting future ballot initiatives on the ballot harder. I find it so odd that we live in a world where the Republican Party was interested in taking away power from the people and putting it into the hands of the Ohio legislature. Even if you are good with the current makeup of the legislature, that can change. Are you okay with it when the tides turn?

This was a power push by the SOS Frank LaRoe, as he is running for Senate against Sherrod Brown, and he wanted a "win". He pushed this hard under the auspice of protecting the Ohio Constitution. Really it was a power play and meant to make the 59% of Ohioans who want to allow a woman to make her own choices not get to vote for that choice. Instead of allowing the people to either vote for or against that concept, they wanted to stop the ability to vote for all future ballot initiatives. It is scary really.

It will be interesting to hear the angles this AM from those who pushed it hard.

Also from the AP article on this:
Interest in Tuesday’s special election was intense, even after Republicans ignored their own law that took effect earlier this year to place the question before voters in August. Voters cast nearly 700,000 early in-person and mail ballots ahead of Tuesday’s final day of voting, more than double the number of advance votes in a typical primary election. Early turnout was especially heavy in the Democratic-leaning counties surrounding Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati.
 
That Ohio ballot initiative was just obliterated. LaRoe has to have significant reputational damage... can't get a moderate voter, and even the far-right likely views him as a loser.
 
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That is actually not a n uncommon situation in recent OH Republican lead legislative initiatives.

See former Gov. Kasich disastrous attempt to severely limit public collective bargaining rights in 2011.

@Hink
Yea, it is just odd Republicans takeaway from the vote seems to be that they will only put it up again, IF the abortion protection constitutional amendment doesn't go through in November. Well at least you are honest about your subversion of democracy. Who is the Republican party these days? Who is voting to allow Republicans or Democrats to stop 50% of the Voters from deciding what is best for their State? If this is really about State's rights, which the R's used to think was important, then forcing a super majority, doesn't make any sense.

I read a substack by Matt Labash that got me going in terms of what is the Republican party anymore? The line below rings too true:


I won’t deep dive into his nominal positions on the issues for you, not even the moronic ones like raising the voting age to 25, since who needs issues these days? Remember those? I don’t, since we haven’t needed to discuss them since about 2014. The only issue that seems to currently matter in GOP primary politics is Donald Trump, and where you stand on him and his multiple indictments.

Policy positions don't matter anymore. The only issue that matters is if you like Trump. What kind of party is that?
 
Just so we are clear, Tommy Tuberville isn't just an obstructionalist in government, who is less than intelligent. He also is a climate change denier... WINNER! :pointandlaugh:

There is a news clip that has him recently saying it is "summer", and that is why it is hot. I found this on his Senate page...

Come on Phoenix, it is just Summer. Suck it up.

Id rather give FL a 3rd senator than claim him. He claims to be living in a 1500 sf home in a student dominated neighborhood owned by his son.
 
^^^Sounds similar to Mark Meadows “living” in a trailer in the backwood hills in NC…although he was/is not an elected Senator.
 
Fani Willis down in GA has two grand juries done with work and has leaked that her indictments will take two days to present. Trials will be televised with judge permission.
 
^^^This is the intro music for the televised trail (just a few minor lyrical changes):

The Devil went down to Georgia
He was lookin' for an election to steal
He was in a bind
He was far behind
In the votes he needed to seal.


 
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