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In step with the effort to erase symbols of prior enslavement of citizenry is a GA movement to diminish the etched in stone memorial to the civil war near ATL...

This reminds me that when I was recently in SC and going for runs in Beaufort. I have a personal policy to stop and read any historic marker I find when I am out on a run or a walk and there were tons of them in that town but this Yankee always felt a little gross after reading some of them and seeing at the bottom that a particular placard was placed by or sponsored by or whatever by the Daughters of the Confederacy.
 
See seven yr old scarecrow. Modeled in Arthurian legend.

In Arthurian legend Cundrie was a sorceress with the hooded face of a dog, the tusks of a boar. She rode a mule while draped in a cape, yet she was the catalyst, arriving on the cold stone steps of Arthur's castle, that made the knights put on their gear and ride forth. I wonder how Gov DeSantis would rate their gender?
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That's kind of a yawn after the "ermergerd Biden is the most corrupt human in the history of humans" from the Trump-apologist right's whataboutism.

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I've had to spend entirely too much time explaining to people that Juneteenth is not the warm fuzzy "news of emancipation reached Galveston" narrative being whitewashed by a bunch of states rights idiots here in Texas that believe that (1) Texas wasn't a hardcore slavery-supporting state that had behaved just as badly as other southern states rather than just being along for the ride, and (2) that the prior war for Texas independence wasn't the U.S.'s first experiment with foreign nation-building.

It is when Union troops arrived in Galveston to force the emancipation issue because Texas was being jackasses about it and still actively trafficking humans. Texas had actually gained enslaved people after the Appomattox surrender since it was the most remote southern state and had ports--people that liked owning people had fled here to escape fighting and in the belief that the Union would not be able to geographically enforce their victory.
 
I've had to spend entirely too much time explaining to people that Juneteenth is not the warm fuzzy "news of emancipation reached Galveston" narrative being whitewashed by a bunch of states rights idiots here in Texas that believe that (1) Texas wasn't a hardcore slavery-supporting state that had behaved just as badly as other southern states rather than just being along for the ride, and (2) that the prior war for Texas independence wasn't the U.S.'s first experiment with foreign nation-building.

It is when Union troops arrived in Galveston to force the emancipation issue because Texas was being jackasses about it and still actively trafficking humans. Texas had actually gained enslaved people after the Appomattox surrender since it was the most remote southern state and had ports--people that liked owning people had fled here to escape fighting and in the belief that the Union would not be able to geographically enforce their victory.
Just think of all the 'history' of slavery, racism, and 10,000 other things that we were never really taught because it was either not recorded or suppressed.
 
Isn't that sorta whats happening now with the book bans? Some snowflake mommas want to ban classic books in schools. I just read where someone in Utah(?) wants the Bible banned in schools because of some of the violent, sex and sordid stories.

The Bible makes a come back.

 

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Is this book banned in most public schools? I know it wasn't in my HS. (or at least the English translation wasn't). While I disagree with the book, I don't think it should be banned because it can still be an educational tool. My point is at what point do you stop banning books just because you don't agree with the message in them?
 
The Bible makes a come back.

I do always enjoy an argument to the absurd, although I thought the point being made in the attempt to ban the bible was quite valid as a device to demonstrate the problem of the book banning efforts primarily being launched from the Christian Nationalist Right (intentionally using this term so as to not capture folks like M'skis that aren't the problem).

No society in history has come out on the good side in trying to limit literary access. Unless it is facially illegal (kiddie pron, etc.), it should be available.
 
The Bible makes a come back.


This is the school district I grew up in and that most my siblings teach/work in (I'm not a teacher, and therefore the black sheep.) I've heard it said that more books are challenged in the Davis School District than any other district in the country. The Bible challenge was a response to the very broad language of the district's policy that allows so many books to be challenged for so little. There is a very, very active parents' group ruining things for everyone. They challenge books, history, science, tolerance, rainbows, puppies - you get the picture.
 
Jack Teixeira was indicted on 6 counts of espionage act violations. I wonder if this might be tactical - this guy (if found guilty) will be sentenced to X. Oh then tRump’s case shouldn’t really be that much different, so he should be sentenced to ????

...and another 'precedent' so one might say:

A former FBI intelligence analyst who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home was sentenced to nearly four years in prison on Wednesday, RadarOnline.com has learned.

U.S. District Judge Stephen R. Bough gave his verdict on Kendra Kingsbury, 50, of Garden City, Kansas, this week, sentencing her to three years and 10 months in federal prison without parole. She must surrender to federal authorities by July 21.
 
...and another 'precedent' so one might say:

A former FBI intelligence analyst who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home was sentenced to nearly four years in prison on Wednesday, RadarOnline.com has learned.

U.S. District Judge Stephen R. Bough gave his verdict on Kendra Kingsbury, 50, of Garden City, Kansas, this week, sentencing her to three years and 10 months in federal prison without parole. She must surrender to federal authorities by July 21.
I tend to believe this is a huge part of the seeming "slow roll" on Trump... to set up some obvious precedents for prosecutors to cite, and set up a clear sentencing guideline.
 
NC House Speaker sued for alienation of affection

A former Apex Town Council member claims North Carolina House Speaker Tim Moore had an affair with his wife, resulting in the "destruction" of his marriage.


Well, this is going to be interesting for the NC-GOP. Nothing says unity like suing another party member for stealing your wife.
 
In step with the effort to erase symbols of prior enslavement of citizenry is a GA movement to diminish the etched in stone memorial to the civil war near ATL.
I am told someone cleans that carving of southern generals on horseback, only completed in 1972, the year George Wallace won the Democratic primary here.
Some want the carving removed, but some say a very passive approach will help relegate those rebels to history's dustbins.
I sent the memorial board this message.


I am glad to see the photo of Stone Mountain on the website. It reminds me of a great idea put forward by my friend and neighbor DC of Carlton, GA.Dand her late husband Care responsible for considerable increase of the land area included in Watsons Mill State Park, like the most beautiful state park in the northeast GA piedmont. They also spearheaded development of that park's equestrian trails.Dena has written convincingly of a way for the State of Georgia to settle controversy over the Confederate memorial etched onto the stoneface of that big granite outcrop.They have proposed that the state stop its periodic cleansing of the memorial's face and allow the mountainside to heal itself. Natural plant forms will in time return that monolith to something close toits natural state, as well as save all costs of maintenance currentlyperformed.I think the idea deserves garden club endorsement and support.

This fellow has the best remedy I have seen for continued use of this public space. Anyone here heard of him?

 



Well, this is going to be interesting for the NC-GOP. Nothing says unity like suing another party member for stealing your wife.
Something something family values something something
 
The dude that's been living off the fumes of his masters thesis for around 25 years now? Yeah, I'm aware of his existence.
Trying to figure out whether Bubba is merely being sarcastic or cynical, which carries the baggage of bitterness.

Does Bubba like the beltline? This dude is credited with it's origin.
 
Trying to figure out whether Bubba is merely being sarcastic or cynical, which carries the baggage of bitterness.

Does Bubba like the beltline? This dude is credited with it's origin.
Minor sarcasm over his penchant for self-promotion - I don't know the gentleman personally, but I'm aware of his connection with the Beltline and his career. The Beltline itself is a hellva good development, although I never use it (I prefer the 'Hooch NRA for walking activities).
 
Minor sarcasm over his penchant for self-promotion - I don't know the gentleman personally, but I'm aware of his connection with the Beltline and his career. The Beltline itself is a hellva good development, although I never use it (I prefer the 'Hooch NRA for walking activities).
I have family in ATL and have walked along the beltline many times. Also have suffered through the ridiculous laser light show that scammers have perpetrated calling it entertainment. It is time for the monument to crumble into a veritable ancient ruin instead of a celebration of slavery.
 
I have family in ATL and have walked along the beltline many times. Also have suffered through the ridiculous laser light show that scammers have perpetrated calling it entertainment. It is time for the monument to crumble into a veritable ancient ruin instead of a celebration of slavery.
I'm more of the opinion you keep things like this as a reminder of how we make bad mistakes sometimes. Maybe you don't maintain it so well and focus the park towards education. I thought the light show was cool as an 8 year old, but that was 36 years ago.

The author had a great idea, vision and really good implementation. I've heard him speak a couple of times and he gives great talks. His response to a question I asked was the most patronizing answer I've ever received (including to some of the new urbanist gurus).
 
I'm more of the opinion you keep things like this as a reminder of how we make bad mistakes sometimes. Maybe you don't maintain it so well and focus the park towards education. I thought the light show was cool as an 8 year old, but that was 36 years ago.

The author had a great idea, vision and really good implementation. I've heard him speak a couple of times and he gives great talks. His response to a question I asked was the most patronizing answer I've ever received (including to some of the new urbanist gurus).
My visit to the light show was with my kids. Don't remember the year, but I really felt ripped off. At risk of thread drift, it was just as bad as the wildly popular Xmas time light shows at botanical gardens. As a plant nerd I think those shows insult the gardens. People I know that work in the local one dread the light contractors and the damage they do.
Mr Gravel sounds about as popular among planners as James Kunstler.
 
My visit to the light show was with my kids. Don't remember the year, but I really felt ripped off. At risk of thread drift, it was just as bad as the wildly popular Xmas time light shows at botanical gardens. As a plant nerd I think those shows insult the gardens. People I know that work in the local one dread the light contractors and the damage they do.
Mr Gravel sounds about as popular among planners as James Kunstler.
I'm fine with him and probably a little jealous, because those type of projects are hard and aspirational. He was able to pull it off early in his career. Really good speaker, but not

I actually kind of like Kunstler. He doesn't claim to be a planner and has a self awareness that he's loud, obnoxious, and doesn't really seem to care. I figure he's probably done a fair amount of pr for the planning profession even as he blames us for the past. He was take a bit from Jacobs and others and remind the general pop that unique places matter even if he was off about a fair number of things. I always enjoyed watching him piss people off in his talks. Plus one of these years he's actually going to be right when he predicts that his utopia/dystopia of peak oil. :r:
 
Affirmative action story on NPR quoted Thomas as saying he had heard the word "diversity" many times, yet had no clue as to what it means.

I thought this fellow had a college degree. Maybe he was absent the day they taught that word in class.
 
Will the court weigh in on legacy admissions next? Could that not have kept some of the plaintiffs out of Harvard, Yale and Princeton?

I mean, if we insist on a level playing field, let's actually have a level playing field, right?
 
Affirmative action story on NPR quoted Thomas as saying he had heard the word "diversity" many times, yet had no clue as to what it means.

I thought this fellow had a college degree. Maybe he was absent the day they taught that word in class.
Will the court weigh in on legacy admissions next? Could that not have kept some of the plaintiffs out of Harvard, Yale and Princeton?

I mean, if we insist on a level playing field, let's actually have a level playing field, right?

They had a bit of a deeper dive into one of the original law suits that started this appeal. It was an Asian-American student who had amazing grades, extra curriculars, and for all fundamental purposes, should be able to get into University of North Carolina. But didn't. However, there were other minority students who were admitted the same year with not nearly the grades or extra curriculars. The news broke down the percentages and found that while there were more Asian American students (12%) than African American students (8.23%), the student population is 58.3% white.

My question is why? If there are truly racial reasons for discouraging any race to attend, what can be done to stop that from happening? I personally am not a fan of affirmative action, but I do think that there needs to be a fair playing field for college admissions, and I will have no hesitation to state that I don't think there is. The legacy element is a perfect example of that. That should not be a consideration in getting into a college. Let's get back to merit based admissions and everything else is moot.

Having said that, our public school system, and society as a whole needs to do a better job of assuring equity in our public schools. We have that issue right now in my community. The County runs the school system and we have a high proportion of minority and poverty income levels on this side of the county. However the amount of funding on the opposite side of the county is much higher. Furthermore, the violence and disciplinary issues in the schools on this side of the county are much higher, so it is not just the schools, but the home environment for some of these students.
 
And the conservative majority of the court apparently has no problem turning the nation into a theocracy.
 
Will the court weigh in on legacy admissions next? Could that not have kept some of the plaintiffs out of Harvard, Yale and Princeton?

I mean, if we insist on a level playing field, let's actually have a level playing field, right?
Of course not. I find it especially rich that Long Dong Silver who benefitted from affirmative action has been vehemently opposed to such for the majority of his career basically pulling up the ladder behind him.
 
Of course not. I find it especially rich that Long Dong Silver who benefitted from affirmative action has been vehemently opposed to such for the majority of his career basically pulling up the ladder behind him.
Now he must serve with his nemesis, an outspoken black woman.
 
Student loan forgiveness has been struck down. I personally have a few thousand dollars left in loans when I went back to school to get my MPA a few years ago so it really isn't that big a deal to me financially. Honestly I'm pretty okay with the decision but just like immigration I wish smart people would get together and figure out a common sense approach to student loans. Some of the terms to the current way of doing business are downright predatory. @kjel had some real good thoughts on this a while back.
 
Student loan forgiveness has been struck down. I personally have a few thousand dollars left in loans when I went back to school to get my MPA a few years ago so it really isn't that big a deal to me financially. Honestly I'm pretty okay with the decision but just like immigration I wish smart people would get together and figure out a common sense approach to student loans. Some of the terms to the current way of doing business are downright predatory. @kjel had some real good thoughts on this a while back.
To me this helps probably helps Biden more than anyone. He gets to say he tried, but look at the SC. It'll will probably push more recent college graduates and younger demographics further away from Republicans.

I agree that it probably wasn't the best option and only dealt with the symptoms, not the illness.
 
Student loan forgiveness has been struck down. I personally have a few thousand dollars left in loans when I went back to school to get my MPA a few years ago so it really isn't that big a deal to me financially. Honestly I'm pretty okay with the decision but just like immigration I wish smart people would get together and figure out a common sense approach to student loans. Some of the terms to the current way of doing business are downright predatory. @kjel had some real good thoughts on this a while back.
To me this helps probably helps Biden more than anyone. He gets to say he tried, but look at the SC. It'll will probably push more recent college graduates and younger demographics further away from Republicans.

I agree that it probably wasn't the best option and only dealt with the symptoms, not the illness.
The entire system (costs, cultural demands, etc) needs to be restructured top to bottom and front to back and side to side.

Much like the healthcare 'system' in the US.

I fully agree with @bureaucrat#3 - the debt is not the illness.
 
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To me this helps probably helps Biden more than anyone. He gets to say he tried, but look at the SC. It'll will probably push more recent college graduates and younger demographics further away from Republicans.

I agree that it probably wasn't the best option and only dealt with the symptoms, not the illness.
1000% agree.

If I were in the WH, I would take this as an opportunity to pivot and do something to address the illness. Notably tuition and cost restructuring for publicly funded institutions. It might not help those with loans right now, but will at least help the next generation.
 
1000% agree.

If I were in the WH, I would take this as an opportunity to pivot and do something to address the illness. Notably tuition and cost restructuring for publicly funded institutions. It might not help those with loans right now, but will at least help the next generation.
States fund public colleges and universities so it's not really a federal matter other than the support they provide through Pell grants for lower income students. See figures 9 & 10 for how this typically breaks down as well as how each state stacks up. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2019/10/two-decades-of-change-in-federal-and-state-higher-education-funding (Two Decades of Change in Federal and State Higher Education Funding).
 
Student loan forgiveness has been struck down. I personally have a few thousand dollars left in loans when I went back to school to get my MPA a few years ago so it really isn't that big a deal to me financially. Honestly I'm pretty okay with the decision but just like immigration I wish smart people would get together and figure out a common sense approach to student loans. Some of the terms to the current way of doing business are downright predatory. @kjel had some real good thoughts on this a while back.
There are a lot of administrative reforms that have been undertaken which are helping current borrowers and will help moving forward. While this slipped under the radar, the negative amortization feature has been eliminated. Now on an income based repayment plan no interest on the loan in excess of the monthly payment will accrue on the loan. This is a huge game changer and how many people end up owing 2-3x more than they originally borrowed. I do think there needs to be a cap on the interest rates because it's ridiculous that whole industries got bailed out with 1% loans and student loan borrowers are paying 6%+ even when interest rates were 3%. I think 1-2% interest should be sufficient enough for the cost of servicing loans. Thankfully there are an increasing number of states that have made community college free or nearly free for many students and that's the path my youngest will take. I also went to community college for my first 60 credit hours before transferring to the local 4 year public university.

If you think you might be eligible for PSLF eventually, please get your paperwork in now to certify your employment. There are temporary waivers that will be expiring at the end of September that may give you some PSLF credit where you typically wouldn't receive any.

I am happy to report that I had six figures of student loan debt forgiven recently under the PSLF temporary expansion and waivers put into effect last year. It is something that was necessary to accomplish what I have done and put my family on a much different path for generations to come. I have no regrets, but I rest easier knowing that my children will not have to deal with that should I have met an untimely demise.
 
There are a lot of administrative reforms that have been undertaken which are helping current borrowers and will help moving forward. While this slipped under the radar, the negative amortization feature has been eliminated. Now on an income based repayment plan no interest on the loan in excess of the monthly payment will accrue on the loan. This is a huge game changer and how many people end up owing 2-3x more than they originally borrowed. I do think there needs to be a cap on the interest rates because it's ridiculous that whole industries got bailed out with 1% loans and student loan borrowers are paying 6%+ even when interest rates were 3%. I think 1-2% interest should be sufficient enough for the cost of servicing loans. Thankfully there are an increasing number of states that have made community college free or nearly free for many students and that's the path my youngest will take. I also went to community college for my first 60 credit hours before transferring to the local 4 year public university.

If you think you might be eligible for PSLF eventually, please get your paperwork in now to certify your employment. There are temporary waivers that will be expiring at the end of September that may give you some PSLF credit where you typically wouldn't receive any.

I am happy to report that I had six figures of student loan debt forgiven recently under the PSLF temporary expansion and waivers put into effect last year. It is something that was necessary to accomplish what I have done and put my family on a much different path for generations to come. I have no regrets, but I rest easier knowing that my children will not have to deal with that should I have met an untimely demise.
The temporary expansion ended LAST September.
 
"The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to review a federal law that bars an individual subject to a domestic violence restraining order from possessing a firearm, adding a major Second Amendment case to next term’s docket."

I'm a little torn on this one. I'm hoping that they'll make clear there are times firearms possession can be limited, but I'm also worried they're just going to blow up any reasonable restrictions.
 
The temporary expansion ended LAST September.
There are still some waivers in effect through this September. It’s not as good as those that ended last year. Regardless, if you think you might pursue PSLF get your paperwork submitted.
 
PSLF should be separate from the whole Biden/Court loan problem. Either way, get your annual paperwork in so you can claim all the payments and get the forgiveness done ASAP before someone screws it up. I love not having a loan anymore!
 
I do think there needs to be a cap on the interest rates because it's ridiculous that whole industries got bailed out with 1% loans and student loan borrowers are paying 6%+ even when interest rates were 3%. I think 1-2% interest should be sufficient enough for the cost of servicing loans. Thankfully there are an increasing number of states that have made community college free or nearly free for many students and that's the path my youngest will take. I also went to community college for my first 60 credit hours before transferring to the local 4 year public university.

I still think it's pretty frustrating that the whole budget reconciliation approach went towards a fixed amount of loan forgiveness instead of using some equivalent outlay to simply work towards lower interest rates. That would have been a better solution to address future borrowing IMO, I don't get the logic of doing the former vs. the latter.
 
I still think it's pretty frustrating that the whole budget reconciliation approach went towards a fixed amount of loan forgiveness instead of using some equivalent outlay to simply work towards lower interest rates. That would have been a better solution to address future borrowing IMO, I don't get the logic of doing the former vs. the latter.
Well the short answer is most politicians aren't really interested in truly solving problems. But if they can give you some free shit you may be likely to keep voting them back into office each election.
 
I still think it's pretty frustrating that the whole budget reconciliation approach went towards a fixed amount of loan forgiveness instead of using some equivalent outlay to simply work towards lower interest rates. That would have been a better solution to address future borrowing IMO, I don't get the logic of doing the former vs. the latter.
Same and why I was surprised they fixed the negative amortization feature. I also think they need to retool PSLF so it’s 10% principal balance forgiveness for every 12 months of qualifying service rather than the all or nothing it currently is. It would also not trap people in lesser paying jobs for a decade and save on interest.
 
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