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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Beer Thread

kjelsadek said:
You can buy beer in a grocery store? How lucky! :-{
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Thank god for the awesome liquor laws in Illinois. I can buy liquor, wine and beer in the grocery stores here. Beer can be sold cold in the stores here too, it's full of awesomeness.

I picked up the Sam Adams seasonal pack this weekend here. For a mainstream brewer they brew some good stuff. The Summer Ale was good, although not as good as Summer Shandy from Leinenkugel's. The pack also had a good IPA called Latitude 48, not super heavy on the hops which was a nice change of pace. I also had a Blackberry Witbier, which was very good and I am not a fan of most fruit beers. The Blackberry was very refreshing and would be wonderful after a hot day working in the yard. :D
 
Been drinking St. Arnold's Spring Bock this season. Yummy!! It has temporarily replaced their Lawnmower as my favorite of theirs.

Shiner Bock is still one of my all-time favorites. It's what we drink when the speciality beers aren't on sale.
 
Yum - bought a 4-pack of Flying Dog's Double Dog Dare Pale Ale (11.7% abv). Malty taste and not overly hoppy. Good to have one in the evening while relaxing.

Very much in contrast to Barleywines with similar abv, which are sweet. This one is smooth with the more classic 'ale' taste. Worth a try, and with all Flying Dog ales, the artwork on the pack and label are - lets just say - intriguing.
 
kjelsadek said:
Should I...or shouldn't I? I have a new found friend that works for Sly Fox Brewery. This could be a dangerous friendship :-c

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I would go. I always have a good time at those kinds of events. It's fun to get to try something you have never seen before and may not see again. Plus, you usually get to try it in a smaller size which is nice so you don't have to be locked into a 6-pack (if you don't have a place near you that sells singles or build-your-owns).



A new beer/wine store just recently opened up in my town. They have a pretty good beer selection and they are supposed to be expanding the selection over the couple of months or so once they get a bit more feedback. Everything is notoriously overpriced in this particular town so I was surprised that almost everything that they had that the grocery store also has was about $1 - $2 cheaper for a six-pack at this little store. They also claim that if they don't have something particular that you want, they can get it. I always thought that certain breweries just don't distribute to certain geographies so I am tempted to test this out to see if I can finally get some Terrapin Station or Fat Tire here in the Detroit area!
 
This cyburbian is going to be moving back to northern California sometime in the near future. First up on the list of things to do? open up a beer bar. Oh yeah

And just for the heck of it, recent beers I've tasted and enjoyed lately (as in yesterday ;)):

Deschutes Hop in the Dark, A Cascadian dark Ale, or black IPA. This is excellent. nothing more to say. Try it.
Lagunitas Little Sumpin Wild, a belgian pale that is very different, fruity, hoppy, slightly sour? Another excellent beer
Port Brewing Mongo IPA, a high gravity extremely hoppy IPA (maybe a double IPA?) that is extremely citrusy. Wow. Really good
 
I was away in Colorado for a week. Great time! I happened to catch the documentary "Beer Wars" while I was there (friends had Netflix). Interesting stuff.

We went to four different breweries on our trip - New Belgium and Odell's in Fort Collins and Breckenridge and Wynkoop in Denver (LoDo). All of them impressed. I think Odell was the best as far as the atmosphere and tour, and had some excellent beers, as well. I don't think there was one of theirs that I didn't like! New Belgium wins for most variety of merchandise, for sure, and were by far the biggest of the breweries we saw (aside from the Anheiser-Busch/Inbev brewery that was just outside of town off the interstate). Wynkoop had the nicest bartendress (gave us free samples - 5 of them:)) and I loved the monkey theme. It's very local, only distributed right now in and around Denver but they had a top-rate Black Beer (schwatzbier) and a nice smoked porter. I hope they expand their distribution range. We had some appetizer at Breckenridge and sampled quite a few of their beers, as well. They have a great location right across from Coors Field.

Anyway, it was a great trip and a nice foray into the Colorado beer culture.
 
My brother sent this to me and I thought a few of you hopheads would like to read it as well.



The Quick History of Beer



It’s well known that beer as a beverage dates very far back, although its original incarnations might be somewhat different than the lagers, ales, and stouts we’re used to quaffing today.

However, most people really don’t know how much influence beer wielded in ancient times. So we’re going to list a few interesting beer facts that come from a time long before kegerators and cushioned bar stools.

No one really knows when beer was first discovered. It was never invented but was likely discovered by accident, as any cereal-based product can potentially undergo spontaneous fermentation due to airborne natural yeasts, but records show that folks were drinking beer in China and Mesopotamia as far back as 7000 B.C. In fact, the oldest recipe ever discovered was for brewing a batch of beer, although this version of beer did not include hops and was sweetened with honey and dates, so it was much sweeter than what we’re used to throwing back today.

The origins of the beer that we are used to consuming today has its roots in the German Beer Purity Laws of 1516, which dictated that beer can only contain water, barley, and hops. However, this was not the first law that regulated beer production. Rather, the first mention of a beer law was in the Code of Hammurabi set forth by the infamously harsh Babylonian leader. By the time the Code was set forth in the 2nd Century B.C., beer had become an extremely popular beverage in Mesopotamia and in the rest of the biblical world (although the Bible doesn’t mention beer specifically). Many brewers and bar owners at the time would water down their product or use inferior grains to maximize profit, which great disgusted the ancient ruler, so he put forth a law forbidding brewers or merchants from doing this. The punishment? The offending party was to be forcibly drowned in the swill that he created, in true Hammurabi fashion. Fortunately, there were no laws against public drunkenness!

Beer over time became extremely commonplace in Egypt and then it spread onward to Greece and Rome, although in those civilization it was a distant second to wine in terms of popularity. However, in the Middle Ages beer consumption spiked upward again, especially in modern-day Germany, England, and Belgium, as it was too cold in these areas to effective grow grapes at the time.

At the time, water was by and large unsafe to drink due to the lack of sanitation, but the fermentation process effectively killed off most harmful microbes and bacteria, so it became the dominant beverage to drink during daily meals. Today, it is estimated that the average person in Northern Europe consumed 65 gallons of beer over the course of a year!

The Purity Laws and advances in brewing technology (especially during the Industrial Revolution, when the steam engine and the thermometer were invented) helped improve the quality of beer and helped establish many of the brands that we know and love today. However, there have still been some attempts to recreate the recipes and methods from ancient times. Anchor Steam Brewing in San Francisco in 1989 recreated the original Sumerian beer recipe when they released for a limited time its Ninkasi beer (Ninkasi being the Sumerian goddess of brewing). And Newcastle Brewery in conjunction with the University of Cambridge archeology department, was actually able to recreate a beer recipe originally found on the walls of the tomb of King Akhenaton.

The beer, named Tutankhamen after Ahkenaton’s more famous son, is an accurate representation of the original brew, using an ancient strand of wheat only found in the Nile Delta along with coriander seeds. But it’s not just something you can pick up at a local corner store; only 1,000 bottles were brewed, and the final price tag of a Tutankhamen comes to $520 per bottle, making it one of the most expensive beer of all time! A nice piece of history, although I’d rather pay much less for a Sam Adams. But it goes to show that beer’s popularity has truly stood the test of time, and that it remains to this day the nectar of the gods.

It's an interesting read - I also know that Dogfish Head Ales out of Delaware also has produced an ale from ancinet Egyptian found recipe and it's called Midas Touch. It pretty good - not great - and sweeter than modern ales (and about $10 to $12 a four-pack if you can find it).
 
HEADLINE: The 12 Best American Beers in The Reader's Digest
according to the Beer Trials:
http://blindtaste.com/2010/04/12/the-beer-trials-a-sneak-preview/
http://www.fearlesscritic.com/beer/dailywort/2010/07/25/hello-readers-digest/

Alaskan Smoked Porter (Juneau, AK)
Boulder Planet Porter (Colorado)
Deschutes Obsidian Stout (Bend, OR)
Goose Island IPA (Chicago, IL)
Great Divide Yeti Imperial Stout (Denver, CO)
Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye (Healdsburg, CA)
Lagunitas Pils (Petaluma, CA)
North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Stout (Fort Bragg, CA)
Russian River Pliny the Elder (Santa Rosa, CA)
Victory HopDevil Ale (Downingtown, PA)
Victory Prima Pils (Downingtown, PA)
Widmer Brothers Broken Halo IPA (Portland, OR)

For you beer drinkers, are any of these really that outstanding, the best or noteworthy ?
 
JNA said:
HEADLINE: The 12 Best American Beers in The Reader's Digest
according to the Beer Trials:
http://blindtaste.com/2010/04/12/the-beer-trials-a-sneak-preview/
http://www.fearlesscritic.com/beer/dailywort/2010/07/25/hello-readers-digest/

Alaskan Smoked Porter (Juneau, AK)
Boulder Planet Porter (Colorado)
Deschutes Obsidian Stout (Bend, OR)
Goose Island IPA (Chicago, IL)
Great Divide Yeti Imperial Stout (Denver, CO)
Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye (Healdsburg, CA)
Lagunitas Pils (Petaluma, CA)
North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Stout (Fort Bragg, CA)
Russian River Pliny the Elder (Santa Rosa, CA)
Victory HopDevil Ale (Downingtown, PA)
Victory Prima Pils (Downingtown, PA)
Widmer Brothers Broken Halo IPA (Portland, OR)

For you beer drinkers, are any of these really that outstanding, the best or noteworthy ?
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Russian River Pliny the Elder...try the Younger too :)
Deschutes Obsidian Stout
 
JNA said:
HEADLINE: The 12 Best American Beers in The Reader's Digest
according to the Beer Trials:
http://blindtaste.com/2010/04/12/the-beer-trials-a-sneak-preview/
http://www.fearlesscritic.com/beer/dailywort/2010/07/25/hello-readers-digest/

Alaskan Smoked Porter (Juneau, AK)
Boulder Planet Porter (Colorado)
Deschutes Obsidian Stout (Bend, OR)
Goose Island IPA (Chicago, IL)
Great Divide Yeti Imperial Stout (Denver, CO)
Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye (Healdsburg, CA)
Lagunitas Pils (Petaluma, CA)
North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Stout (Fort Bragg, CA)
Russian River Pliny the Elder (Santa Rosa, CA)
Victory HopDevil Ale (Downingtown, PA)
Victory Prima Pils (Downingtown, PA)
Widmer Brothers Broken Halo IPA (Portland, OR)

For you beer drinkers, are any of these really that outstanding, the best or noteworthy ?
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I've had the North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Stout (and a few others of their varieties) and think that anything from the brewery is great.

I've also had the Goose Island IPA and it was OK but I'm not really a fan of IPAs. I do like the Goose Island 312 and Honker's Ale. They are both among my stand-by beers when the store by me doesn't have my current go-to brew from Anchor Steam.




This past week I bought a build my own six-pack with a bunch of random stuff at the store and upon the clerk's recommendation loaded up on Shiner Bock. I got 3 or 4 different varieties and so far my favorite has been the Shiner Bock Black Lager. It had sort of a peppery kick to it and went really well with the pretzels I was eating (which of course, were making me thirsty!).
 
WSU MUP Student said:
I've also had the Goose Island IPA and it was OK but I'm not really a fan of IPAs. I do like the Goose Island 312 and Honker's Ale.
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You know, these beer awards things frequently tee me off. Blind taste tests are one thing, but for those that aren't (and yes, I guess even sometimes for blind tests too, where a particular brand has a highly recognizable 'house flavor' to their yeast), I can't help but wonder if half the time they judge based on who the entry is rather than what. Is Goose Island IPA for instance really better than say Bell's Two Hearted?
 
Grants Scottish Ale (Yakima WA) was my favorite until they sold out..........If I could find it, it would be my No. 1 again..........the had a great brew pub in Yakima WA for about 20 yrs..............
 
Maister said:
You know, these beer awards things frequently tee me off. Blind taste tests are one thing, but for those that aren't (and yes, I guess even sometimes for blind tests too, where a particular brand has a highly recognizable 'house flavor' to their yeast), I can't help but wonder if half the time they judge based on who the entry is rather than what. Is Goose Island IPA for instance really better than say Bell's Two Hearted?
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I was actually surprised that Two Hearted or Oberon were not on the list. It used to be for the past few years that Oberon was on everybody's Best Beers List and even though I don't like IPAs, Two Hearted is pretty good and seems to be rising in popularity among beer snobs in metro Detroit and Washington D.C. (the two places I've had a few beers in the last few months).
 
WSU MUP Student said:
*snip*
This past week I bought a build my own six-pack with a bunch of random stuff at the store and upon the clerk's recommendation loaded up on Shiner Bock. I got 3 or 4 different varieties and so far my favorite has been the Shiner Bock Black Lager. It had sort of a peppery kick to it and went really well with the pretzels I was eating (which of course, were making me thirsty!).
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Being in Texas, Shiner anything is always an option. I prefer the Bock, Hubby like the Blonde, and we both have tried the seasonals. Around here, there's more Shiner products in the grocer's cooler than many other "known" names.
Sounds like your store clerk has great taste! :D
 
Pretzels go well with most beers. Which beers, though, do you think they go with best? Not talking fancy Snyder's mustard or bbq flavored pretzels here, just plain ol' Mr. Salty or Rold Gold
 
Maister said:
Okay, how about what beer goes best with 'regular' pretzels?
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That's much better. Back in the day, Stroh's was a good companion to pretzels. Now, I tend to go with Shiner Bock as an all-purpose adjunct to salt laden comestibles.
 
JNA said:
HEADLINE: The 12 Best American Beers in The Reader's Digest
according to the Beer Trials:
http://blindtaste.com/2010/04/12/the-beer-trials-a-sneak-preview/
http://www.fearlesscritic.com/beer/dailywort/2010/07/25/hello-readers-digest/

Alaskan Smoked Porter (Juneau, AK)
Boulder Planet Porter (Colorado)
Deschutes Obsidian Stout (Bend, OR)
Goose Island IPA (Chicago, IL)
Great Divide Yeti Imperial Stout (Denver, CO)
Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye (Healdsburg, CA)
Lagunitas Pils (Petaluma, CA)
North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Stout (Fort Bragg, CA)
Russian River Pliny the Elder (Santa Rosa, CA)
Victory HopDevil Ale (Downingtown, PA)
Victory Prima Pils (Downingtown, PA)
Widmer Brothers Broken Halo IPA (Portland, OR)

For you beer drinkers, are any of these really that outstanding, the best or noteworthy ?
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I would agree with the Obsidian Stout. The Goose Island IPA is okay but wouldn't have been the Goose Island variety I would pick (I like Demolition Ale or Matilda). I've had the Yeti Imperial Stout and it's good.

No way I would have the Victory Prima Pils on my list, though. To me it has a soapy taste to it (yuk!). The Lagunitis is much better. I haven't had the Alaskan Smoked Porter but I did have a great smoked porter in Colorado at Wynkoop Brewery, though I thought their cream stout and schwartzbier's were top of the line, as well.

Really, though, I hate these kids of lists because beer is really subjective. When it comes to beer a hundred different people will have a hundred different lists of their favorites.
 
Found this somewhere on the Internets. Shrunk it down a bit so it's not a bandwidth hog.

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Currently drinking a Troegs Dream Weaver Wheat. Nothing special; just a good overall beer for the summer. Recommended.
 
We have started getting Fat Tire and a few other sorted New Belgium beers in the area this year. Had not seen New Belgium's Spring seasonal Mighty Arrow until last night and had to try it. It's a fairly hoopy Pale Ale and good flavor.

Went to Saturdya night to our local brew pub and had their Black Raven Ale at 7% abv. A very dark ale and reminded me of Sam Adams Black Lager, but with a richer, deeper flavor. Glad I stopped when I did or I could not have made it home.
 
JNA said:
HEADLINE: The 12 Best American Beers in The Reader's Digest
according to the Beer Trials:
http://blindtaste.com/2010/04/12/the-beer-trials-a-sneak-preview/
http://www.fearlesscritic.com/beer/dailywort/2010/07/25/hello-readers-digest/

Alaskan Smoked Porter (Juneau, AK)
Boulder Planet Porter (Colorado)
Deschutes Obsidian Stout (Bend, OR)
Goose Island IPA (Chicago, IL)
Great Divide Yeti Imperial Stout (Denver, CO)
Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye (Healdsburg, CA)
Lagunitas Pils (Petaluma, CA)
North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Stout (Fort Bragg, CA)
Russian River Pliny the Elder (Santa Rosa, CA)
Victory HopDevil Ale (Downingtown, PA)
Victory Prima Pils (Downingtown, PA)
Widmer Brothers Broken Halo IPA (Portland, OR)

For you beer drinkers, are any of these really that outstanding, the best or noteworthy ?
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There are some pretty pedestrian beers in that list. Alaskan Smoked Proter is pretty good, Russian River Plinty the Elder, like Kjelsadek said, it an excellent beer and I would say is definately one of the best. Hope Rod Rye is pretty good, same with Old Rasputin and Lagunitas pils.

But the only ones I think should be in that list of best beers would be Pliny the Elder, Obsidian Stout and maybe Old Rasputin. The others dont belong in such a list.
 
Reader's Digest "Best American Beers" list

Hey, I'm the author of The Beer Trials, and I wanted to note a couple things about that Reader's Digest list.

First, we wouldn't call those beers "the best American beers". They're the highest-rated American beers in the book, but we only rated 250 beers in this edition, and our goal was to cover the beers that people could expect to find readily around the country, so a lot of great beers aren't included—mostly seasonals and beers from smaller producers.

Second, ratings are subjective, and we recognize that in the book. My goal with the book was to give people the tools to understand what they like about beer and what they dislike, and then present data on what to expect in the beers out there. Our scores represent our taster's aggregate opinions on quality, and we make no effort to directly compare beers across disparate styles, but it's not a sign of failure, in my opinion, if you disagree with us that Widmer's Broken Halo is a delightful, light-bodied IPA. If you like your IPAs to be bruisingly bitter, more power to you.

That there is no objective standard for beer's hedonistic quality is part of what makes it great, in my eyes. Could we have a world of hefeweizens, imperial stouts, malty bocks, and bitter IPAs if everyone agreed what tasted best?

Maister said:
You know, these beer awards things frequently tee me off. Blind taste tests are one thing, but for those that aren't (and yes, I guess even sometimes for blind tests too, where a particular brand has a highly recognizable 'house flavor' to their yeast), I can't help but wonder if half the time they judge based on who the entry is rather than what. Is Goose Island IPA for instance really better than say Bell's Two Hearted?
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You raise an excellent point. All of the tastings for The Beer Trials were blind tastings. Our panelists tasted beers in flights of 3-6 beers, grouped into similar styles (so nobody had to taste Deschutes Obsidian next to Hop Rod Rye or Bud Light).

WSU MUP Student said:
I was actually surprised that Two Hearted or Oberon were not on the list. It used to be for the past few years that Oberon was on everybody's Best Beers List and even though I don't like IPAs, Two Hearted is pretty good and seems to be rising in popularity among beer snobs in metro Detroit and Washington D.C. (the two places I've had a few beers in the last few months).
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There are no Bell's beers reviewed in this edition of the book. They are right on the edge for us in terms of production volume and distribution, so we might have included some of their beers, but in the end we were not able to procure any in the time frame demanded by our production schedule. I attempted to contact them for assistance, but they didn't get back to me.

Tastings for future editions will look to expand our coverage into regional craft breweries as well as cover the excellent seasonal offerings from craft brewers around the country.

You can read portions of our reviews for all of the beers in the book at our website: http://www.thebeertrials.com

Cheers,

Seamus Campbell
Author, THE BEER TRIALS
 
Yesterday I enjoyed a Red's Rye PA from Founders Brewing Company after a day of kayaking. It was very good. Actually, I haven't been disapointed with any of the brews that I've tried from Founders.
 
Welcome to Cyburbia, Seamus!

Right now, I'm drinking a Dream Weaver Wheat Beer by Tröegs Brewing Company of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. It's among the better wheats I've enjoyed; full-bodied, smooth, very true to the German roots of the style, with bubblegum-like overtones similar to Three Floyds Gumballhead, another favorite of mine.

My rating: 8/10 Maisters.

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How cool that we got the author posting in here.

Anyways- speaking of Goose Island, I just a 8 month old bottle of Sofie last night. Kind of like a Saison?, but slightly sour. Very excellent. I'm not a big fan of Goose Island's regular lineup but this was great, as is Matilda.
 
Dan said:
You like those, huh? There's also a half-Maister, so we can have ratings like ....

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It might be fun to rate beer in El Guapos, too.
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The wise man waits until after 5:00 to dis a slacker.:)
 
mmm... I'm drinking a Russian River Supplication right now. Sour ale with cherries aged in oak. If i knew how to use maisters i would give it 10 out of 10 maisters
 
Sorry to say to all, since the 3 separate medical bills have descended upon my bankroll from my son's birth, I have taken a couple steps back regarding my beer choices of late.

Here is my journey:
-Cases of Coors regular. (I feel sorry for the old, crusty farmers round here that grow Coors barley)

-On a very low budget, but thirsty on a Sunday I once bought a 6 pack of Busch for $5

-There has been a couple 18 packs of Pabst in the mix (NOT an ironic hipster thing...)

-I bought a 6 of Coors light once

- A couple cases of Miller Lite

-And I have been scavenging my neighbors garages for charity Bud Light

It has been bad, but I haven't hit rock bottom yet. I have gotten pickled on these occasions and my thirst has been quenched. I just needed to get this off my chest. I am accepting donations....;)
 
zmanPLAN said:
It has been bad, but I haven't hit rock bottom yet. I have gotten pickled on these occasions and my thirst has been quenched. I just needed to get this off my chest. I am accepting donations....;)
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On the up side, good beer will be sooooo much better when you're financially able. At least there will be good beer available. When I came back from Germany and my Army tour of keeping America free in 1970, American beer was p*sswater and there weren't many other choices. :victory:
 
zmanPLAN said:
-I bought a 6 of Coors light once

It has been bad, but I haven't hit rock bottom yet. I have gotten pickled on these occasions and my thirst has been quenched. I just needed to get this off my chest. I am accepting donations....;)
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Well you said you did buy a 6 of bad-flavored water...I mean Coors Light.
 
It's 1978. What's available in your local bar?

In the Buffalo area, you'd likely encounter Genesee (Beer and Cream Ale), Labatt (Blue and 50), Molson (Golden and Canadian), Budweiser, Miller (High Life and Lite), and Stroh's at most bars. Go upscale, and you'd encounter Michelob, Lowenbrau, Heineken, Rolling Rock, Beck's, Moosehead, and/or Corona. More blue-collar, add Schlitz, PBR, Utica Club, Koch's Golden Anniversary, and/or Old Vienna to the mix. At least in the mid-to-late 1980s, bars catering to college students usually served Old Milwaukee as their generic for St. Patrick's Day and binge events.

At family gatherings when I was a kid, Genesee Cream Ale and Labatt Blue were the usual default beers.

Coors wasn't available in Buffalo until the late 1980s. There was a big deal when it arrived, because it was a non-union beer.
 
1978 in Kalamazoo area bars one would find the usual Bud and Miller, but there'd also be Stroh's, Goebbel's, Old Style, and Pabst in common circulation (for some reason I don't recall seeing Canadian or Mexican beers around much at all - but I was underage at the time).

Significant was the absence of Coors. Coors was not distributed east of the Mississippi (and Strohs was not distributed west of it) at that time. This was during the Great Romatic Era of the Trucker when CB radios and legendary tales of maverick truckers smuggling shipments of Coors across the River were all the rage. Coors was the Best Tasting Beer Ever Made and you might pay twice as much for a 12 pack of it as Strohs, that is until years later when you could buy it in the stores... and then it was just pisswater.

At the grocery store you'd commonly find other brands like Buckhorn, Schlitz, Rolling Rock, or Old Milwaukee. There was also a pretty fair representation of 'grandpa beers' on the shelves too, such as Black Label, Cinci cream ale, Rheinlander, Red White & Blue and the like.

Upscale was pretty much limited to Michelob, Lowenbrau, or Heineken
 
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