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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Raising Children Thread

What a mess Queen B! I would have no idea what to do. When I was about your daughter's age, I had a friend who started dated a guy in his mid-30s. It creeped everyone out. She met him at the restaurant where she waited tables. From what I remember about how we all felt about Mr. Creepy Old Man, it might be a good idea to host a backyard party or something. Tell your daughter she can invite her friends over, have a cook out, campfire, whatever. Hopefully seeing how all her friends react to the older boyfriend will persuade her to reexamine her dating options. Of course, if she has friends who aren't 18 yet, this could be problematic. You wouldn't want one of her friends to meet a friend of the older boyfriend and tell her parents she met him at your house.
 
Well I tend to agree with the likely scenarios outlined above, as someone who at one time was 26 and dating an 18 year-old (we've been together 12 years now, and married for 9), it is quite possible that things aren't as they seem.

It really depends on the maturity and personalities of the two people involved. From your initial reaction QueenB, I'm gathering this isn't likely one of those cases.
 
When you're in your late 20s and early 30s you don't feel "old" compared to 18 year olds but they definitely see you as old because they can't relate to your life experiences and obligations. When you hit 30 you realize you're still young and the age difference is not weird, but to younger people it will be.

My father always told me "It will seem like you'll never get older but the people younger than you will."
 
Update:

We sat her down last night. The questions we asked just raised more questions.
Ultimately, I just said I dont feel comfortable with this and he needs to come over so we can meet him and no he doesn't get to say he isn't comfortable with that he needs to man up and come tomorrow night. No she is not allowed to go over and spend time at his apartment until I am comfortable.

She came up this morning and told her father that they are either calling it quits or are going to slow way down. I still have some knots in my gut but she is generally a good respectful girl and will listen. I did not tell her no I just said he has to come meet me. She is much more afraid of me than her father.

We will see where this goes. I hope it turns out well. His story just was not adding up..
 
Update:

We sat her down last night. The questions we asked just raised more questions.
Ultimately, I just said I dont feel comfortable with this and he needs to come over so we can meet him and no he doesn't get to say he isn't comfortable with that he needs to man up and come tomorrow night. No she is not allowed to go over and spend time at his apartment until I am comfortable.

She came up this morning and told her father that they are either calling it quits or are going to slow way down. I still have some knots in my gut but she is generally a good respectful girl and will listen. I did not tell her no I just said he has to come meet me. She is much more afraid of me than her father.

We will see where this goes. I hope it turns out well. His story just was not adding up..

Good for you! You laid down decent parameters and she responded to them.
 
To you parents on here... How old were your kids when they had a full set of teeth? Our daughter is 14 months and has had just about an entire set of teeth for at least the last 4 - 6 weeks. I know from what I've read that it really varies greatly but all our family members like to comment on how many teeth she has. And even I laugh when I see her smile because it looks so odd compared to most of my nephews who seemed to take forever to have more than just a couple teeth.
 
RT got her teeth early too. I think she had most of them by the time she was 15 months old.
 
Our experience with teeth has been widely varied between the two kids. Our son got his rather late. Daughter got heres early. Regardless, the difference between a kid with teeth and one without is like night and day - it can totally change the way someone looks.
 
My daughter got her first tooth pretty late, but ended up getting her adult teeth a little earlier than kids her age. I think it all just depends on the kids.
 
Regardless, the difference between a kid with teeth and one without is like night and day - it can totally change the way someone looks.

I totally agree. I guess it just seems that her teeth look comically large for her mouth and head at this age. :D
 
My daughter's came in oddly: front chompers, followed by molars, and lastly (by a long shot, too) canines. Her early pictures are amusing if not terribly attractive. I'm not sure whether this pattern had anything to do with it, but orthodontia is in her future (and my wallet)!:-x
 
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on strollers? Hubby and I are fairly active and want something durable but easy to use. We plan on "wearing" the baby a lot so I don't think we need an entire system.

I don't know where to start.
 
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on strollers? Hubby and I are fairly active and want something durable but easy to use. We plan on "wearing" the baby a lot so I don't think we need an entire system.

I don't know where to start.

Baby Center and What to Expect have message boards with lots of info. Also the Consumer Reports baby gear guide is very useful. We are not active like you guys, but we are both very tall which drastically narrows the field of strollers that are comfortable for us. Try and test drive the stroller if you can by visiting a brick and mortar store then search Froogle for the best price online, prices vary considerably!

In reality you need a lot less stuff than you think you will :)
 
I agree with kjel on both the height issue (I'm 6'1" and most strollers are too short for me to comfortably use) as well as that you will need less than you think.

Between our two kids, we tried a few different configurations. Had a jogging stroller (great for walking to a neighbor's house with some food, beer or wine on board but too big and bulky to easily load in the car or take the bus), one of those that the infant car seat snaps into (was pretty cool, but only useful while they are infants - its essentially a frame with wheels) and the simple, easily worn out umbrella stroller (may favorite - its light, folds small, is great in airports or anywhere space and weight is an issue). The ones I really don't like or recommend are the collapsable ones - they fold down flat, but do not collapse side-to-side, so you end up with a flat, very unweildy, wide object that really isn't that easy to fit anywhere.

The sky is the limit as far as prices on strollers, but in the end I found our $20 umbrella stroller was by far the most useful. In-step makes decent equipment (that's what our jogging stroller was - it lasted about 10 years) that is not super fancy, but generally perfectly adequate. You outgrow strollers pretty quickly, so I wouldn't break the bank on it.

For wearing the baby, when you get beyond the sling stage, I highly recommend the Bjorn carrier - someone gave us one and it was a very well-used item. Those little tykes get heavy after not too long and that was the most ergonomically well-designed carrier we found and our kids loved it (they can be facing in or out, which is a nice variety depending on their mood)
 
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on strollers? Hubby and I are fairly active and want something durable but easy to use. We plan on "wearing" the baby a lot so I don't think we need an entire system.

I don't know where to start.

Aww.. you have come to the right spot here dandy. My wife happens to be a manager of an eco-friendly baby/children store here on our side of the coast. I highly recommend as a dude, father, and caretaker of wee ones the baby ergo to carry your child around. Best child carrier money can buy! It can go both in front and in the rear. As for an infant wrap, i highly recommend the moby wrap. A little complicated, but none the less very comfortable and stylish.

As for strollers, there are so many. Big, plastic bluky things. We have been using this stroller since our son was born over 1.5 years ago. It comes with attachments so that it grows with your child. This thing rocks! It can go off-road, it is sleek in the downtown and best of all compact and fits easily in the trunk of our sedans. Not to mention a very manly stroller. It has a great slidding bar that adjusts to heights which is perfect for somewhat tall lady that my wife is. They bring out new models in fall so typically last year's model goes on sale. We got ours for around $350, so be on the look out for sales after the new year, but typically you find them for about 450 to 500.

Another good one is the uppa baby vista. I know, this is high end too, but remember, these things tend to last anyone from 2 to 3 years and can be passed on if these is a dandy part II. You know where to message me on other parts of the web!
 
Raf, I checked out your link to the eco-baby shop. I noticed they sell fuzzibunz cloth diapers. MW and I are trying to decide between that brand and gdiapers. Any particular reason your wife doesn't stock gdiapers?
 
Raf, I checked out your link to the eco-baby shop. I noticed they sell fuzzibunz cloth diapers. MW and I are trying to decide between that brand and gdiapers. Any particular reason your wife doesn't stock gdiapers?

They haven't been added yet to the website... we actually use them and they sell them in the store. Each has their own merit. We invested in gdiapers a long time ago, so we have all the stuff for them, plus they have the option for cloth and flushables, which is big plus. Fuzzibunz need to be washed everytime you change them, but it is a one size fits all approach. Gdiapers have different sizes, but when the kid poops or pees u just wash the liner and keep using the cloth outter diaper until the kid pees through it, poops, or just overall smells like arse ;).

If you got a few hours to kill when you go to la head up north on the 101 to San Luis. Breath taking drive and go check out the store.
 
Thanks, everyone. With the exception of Babies-r-Us and one specialty store in Ithaca we're kind of limited in our options for test drives. We're heading down to NYC at the end of the month, I hope we can check out a lot of baby gear.

Raf, thanks for all the great recommendations. I'm 99% sure we'll be getting a moby wrap for baby as an infant, we're still up in the air about carriers for when she's older. There is a store in Ithaca that is similar to the one your wife manages and they actually have a baby wearing class, where you can try out the different kinds of wraps and carriers. We're signed up for that class in Nov. :) They also have a cloth diapering class (we're signed up for that one as well) where you learn about the different types of cloth diapers and pros/cons of each.
 
They haven't been added yet to the website... we actually use them and they sell them in the store. Each has their own merit. We invested in gdiapers a long time ago, so we have all the stuff for them, plus they have the option for cloth and flushables, which is big plus. Fuzzibunz need to be washed everytime you change them, but it is a one size fits all approach. Gdiapers have different sizes, but when the kid poops or pees u just wash the liner and keep using the cloth outter diaper until the kid pees through it, poops, or just overall smells like arse ;).

If you got a few hours to kill when you go to la head up north on the 101 to San Luis. Breath taking drive and go check out the store.

Yes the flushable vs cloth option is what sold us on the gdiapers. When we are travelling, it just might be a good idea to be able to flush the biodegradable lining.

I'm not sure what our plans are for LA yet. We only have a week and there is sooooo much to do and see. It is like going to Disney Land for grownups. If we have a day to kill, we will certainly head up to SLO!
Your wife will know it is me when I walk in the store with a monkey wife. ;)
 
I have to take my 12-year old daughter to the pediatric cardiologist this afternoon. (She has a patent foramen ovale -- she'll never be a Navy Diver, darnit!;)). She's also, mmmm, uhhhh, well, developed, if you know what I mean. Previously, the test was done on a sort of ultrasound machine (gel and wand over the center of the bare chest). Moms of Cyburbia, what is the appropriate protocol for me, as dad, and for the cardiologist (also male), when such privacy issues are present? (Mom is not an alternative, so avoid that, thanks!)

I swear, she was just in diapers the day before yesterday!:-o
 
I have to take my 12-year old daughter to the pediatric cardiologist this afternoon. (She has a patent foramen ovale -- she'll never be a Navy Diver, darnit!;)). She's also, mmmm, uhhhh, well, developed, if you know what I mean. Previously, the test was done on a sort of ultrasound machine (gel and wand over the center of the bare chest). Moms of Cyburbia, what is the appropriate protocol for me, as dad, and for the cardiologist (also male), when such privacy issues are present? (Mom is not an alternative, so avoid that, thanks!)

I swear, she was just in diapers the day before yesterday!:-o

I would assume they would be pretty discreet, ie do the u/s underneath a sheet, but maybe see if there is a female nurse or PA that can be in the room if it'll make your daughter feel more comfortable.
 
I have to take my 12-year old daughter to the pediatric cardiologist this afternoon. (She has a patent foramen ovale -- she'll never be a Navy Diver, darnit!;)). She's also, mmmm, uhhhh, well, developed, if you know what I mean. Previously, the test was done on a sort of ultrasound machine (gel and wand over the center of the bare chest). Moms of Cyburbia, what is the appropriate protocol for me, as dad, and for the cardiologist (also male), when such privacy issues are present? (Mom is not an alternative, so avoid that, thanks!)

I swear, she was just in diapers the day before yesterday!:-o

I had a detailed echocardiogram via ultrasound done about a month ago. The tech was a woman but she still kept me covered up with a combination of gown and sheet so nothing was bared. Most practitioners are pretty good at doing this and if you are going to a peds clinic I am sure the tech is probably somewhat understanding of adolescent shyness. As a dad you can just excuse yourself as she is changing and look away when they are raising the gown to put the ultrasound wand underneath it. Chat with your daughter to keep her distracted too but realize that you may be asked to be quiet or that she can't talk during some parts of the scan.
 
I'm starting to think that my daughters' overall crazy, silly, giggling behavior (which can get very very tiresome) is because they just simply LOVE LIFE. They're just happy, so I think it turns them into balls of chaotic silliness. I've been trying hard lately not to beat (figuratively) that out of them, and give them opportunities to just be crazy little kids.
 
I'm starting to think that my daughters' overall crazy, silly, giggling behavior (which can get very very tiresome) is because they just simply LOVE LIFE. They're just happy, so I think it turns them into balls of chaotic silliness. I've been trying hard lately not to beat (figuratively) that out of them, and give them opportunities to just be crazy little kids.

I figured this out about a few months ago. It has really made my daughter and I's relationship way better.
 
I'm starting to think that my daughters' overall crazy, silly, giggling behavior (which can get very very tiresome) is because they just simply LOVE LIFE. They're just happy, so I think it turns them into balls of chaotic silliness. I've been trying hard lately not to beat (figuratively) that out of them, and give them opportunities to just be crazy little kids.

Nothing better than daughters, especially happy ones. Kudos, Sir. Let them be nuts and giggly, and loud, and let them listen to that insane music and draw things on their hands, and mess up your schedule, and dye their hair with kool-aid and put their fingers in the frosting.....just because they're little girls. :) They'll always be your little girls.
 
Glad I'm not in this parent's shoes...though I have to wonder what kind of mom would come back with a video camera and mutter OMG over and over again instead of addressing the problem....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPNyK7XTy6o
 
With three boys (4, 3 & 2), I could see that happening...because it has, though at a much small scale with a full box of Lucky Charms in their playroom.

As for silly little girls, well, I don't have girls, but I let my boys burn off the sillies whenever appropriate because being silly is essential in life. I often join in if I need to.
 
Anyone know if soldering is difficult? hazardous?

We are considering purchasing a robotics kit, a learn-to-solder kit, and an electronic snap circuit kit for a child who is 10 and very interested in learning robotics.

The robotics kit seems pretty innocuous and teaches kids about solar power. The snap circuit kit also seems pretty safe. I'm not sure about the soldering kit though. Is that something kids can do without adult supervision? He lives in a home where he likely won't get much help and I don't want to buy something that will make the parental guardians crabby and disappoint him because he won't be able to use it.
 
Anyone know if soldering is difficult? hazardous?

We are considering purchasing a robotics kit, a learn-to-solder kit, and an electronic snap circuit kit for a child who is 10 and very interested in learning robotics.

The robotics kit seems pretty innocuous and teaches kids about solar power. The snap circuit kit also seems pretty safe. I'm not sure about the soldering kit though. Is that something kids can do without adult supervision? He lives in a home where he likely won't get much help and I don't want to buy something that will make the parental guardians crabby and disappoint him because he won't be able to use it.

Soldering irons get VERY hot. You can easily burn yourself on one and, if they are still like the ancient one I inherited from my father, you can't turn them off - they need to be unplugged. Which is to say, at least as far as the one I have goes, its a pretty serious fire hazard in the hands of a kid that age. Forget to unplug it and you could be asking for trouble. Mine has no auto shut-off either. Maybe they are safer these days, but again, they get very hot - hotter than a glue gun. Solder may be very pliable, but its still metal and so you need a lot of heat to melt it. Plus, getting hot solder on your skin hurts like the dickens.

I wouldn't trust my 11 year old with one without me being nearby or at least aware that he is doing it (so I can insure he unplugs everything afterwards)

All that being said, a robotics kit sounds awesome!
 
We are considering purchasing a robotics kit, a learn-to-solder kit, and an electronic snap circuit kit for a child who is 10 and very interested in learning robotics.

Why not just get him an old-school chemistry set?

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(bonus points to anyone that can name the molecule above)
 
Anyone know if soldering is difficult? hazardous?

We are considering purchasing a robotics kit, a learn-to-solder kit, and an electronic snap circuit kit for a child who is 10 and very interested in learning robotics.

The robotics kit seems pretty innocuous and teaches kids about solar power. The snap circuit kit also seems pretty safe. I'm not sure about the soldering kit though. Is that something kids can do without adult supervision? He lives in a home where he likely won't get much help and I don't want to buy something that will make the parental guardians crabby and disappoint him because he won't be able to use it.

My son was about that age when I showed him how to solder something. Even my immediate presence didn't stop him from grabbing the wrong end of the soldering iron. I don't recommend it for someone that is unsupervised.
 
That is what I feared. Okay, soldering kit is out. Robotics kit is affirmative though. Probably going to hold off on the snap circuit kit too for now and just double down on the robots ;)


Chemistry is cool, but since he has shown interest specifically in robotics and this is the first geeky science thing he has shown interest in (normally it is video games or football) we want to encourage him and not bore him to death with chemistry!

Bonus points to me: That is TNT.
 
Why not just get him an old-school chemistry set?

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(bonus points to anyone that can name the molecule above)

Chemistry set is a good choice. My son got one for Christmas 2009 and we still use it. Of course he still is trying to figure out how to make explosives. It's a boy thing.

The Lego Robotics series are good too. The kid can program it to move along a certain route and even do music. Here again my son uses it a lot and enjoys it. Actually this toy/project is maybe better than a chemistry set because it requires the child to follow command protocols and work through problems.
 
Chemistry set is a good choice. My son got one for Christmas 2009 and we still use it. Of course he still is trying to figure out how to make explosives. It's a boy thing.

Don't know what they put in them now, when I was but a lad, my brother, cousin, and I managed to create a small explosion in the family kitchen with our chemistry set. That probably deterred us from building a meth lab when we were older. ;)
 
[ot]Speaking of chemistry I once saw some interesting chemistry-related graffiti:

Willy was a scientist
but now he is no more
what Willy thought was H2O
was H2SO4[/ot]
 
Don't know what they put in them now, when I was but a lad, my brother, cousin, and I managed to create a small explosion in the family kitchen with our chemistry set. That probably deterred us from building a meth lab when we were older. ;)

A fellow FL planner and his twin brother used theirs to set their family's driveway on fire. Apparently they were difficult children.8-!
 
After sitting on the sidelines I need to ask, and I'm being completely honest and serious.

My wife and I have been married for 4 years without children. Most of our friends either have children or want them right away. We often hear how we're missing out because we don't have children and I can't understand what I'm missing out on. She and I like to travel, shop, and eat out a lot and our friends can never do these things without tons of planning. It is almost like I need to defend us not having children right now yet I have never heard from anyone on why they wanted children. Barring an aging woman working against the clock what reasons are there for people to have children early in a marriage? Were most kids accidents? Are our friends secretly jealous of our freedoms? Is that even remotely true?
 
Plus
- older parents = generally speaking wiser parents.
- generally have more resources available
- have had time to establish a solid relationship with spouse to help weather the inevitable child-rearing disputes

Minus
- less energy to chase 'em around
- about the time you want to retire is when they want you to help pay for college
- you end up feeling like some old geezer at all the school functions (oh, is he your grandson?)
 
After sitting on the sidelines I need to ask, and I'm being completely honest and serious.

My wife and I have been married for 4 years without children. Most of our friends either have children or want them right away. We often hear how we're missing out because we don't have children and I can't understand what I'm missing out on. She and I like to travel, shop, and eat out a lot and our friends can never do these things without tons of planning. It is almost like I need to defend us not having children right now yet I have never heard from anyone on why they wanted children. Barring an aging woman working against the clock what reasons are there for people to have children early in a marriage? Were most kids accidents? Are our friends secretly jealous of our freedoms? Is that even remotely true?

Hmmm. These are some tough questions. Having children is of course not a requirement for marriage or life. But I will say from my own experience that it has made it more interesting, more fun, more valuable (if that's the right term) and more fulfilling.

When we decided to have kids, though, we didn't think of any of this. In fact, we didn't really think through it in the way I would a career move or going to college. It was more like holding hands and jumping together into a cold lake. You're not sure you really want to do it, and its shocking at first, but once you are in it, the water is fine and the swim is exhilirating. Our kids were not accidents, but that is not to say we really had any idea of what we were getting ourselves into. But then, children are not something you can ever really figure out without doing it. We had been married 3 years when we had our first kid. From a biological perspective, my wife's parents dying probably had some bearing on our desire to reproduce. But that escaped us at the time.

Are parents secretly jealous of your freedom? Of course we are. Because we used to have it, too. And also, because we are human, we want what we have now AND we want what we used to have. But that's life. I'd like to be a biologist, too, but I made my decision about what direction to go in life and I can't do it all, so I find the joy where I am. Plus, that freedom comes back on the other end.

The joys and meaning I derive from being a parent are not easily explained and when I do, they usually sound pretty cliched - stuff like "you've never known love like this love" (its true, but how obnoxious does that sound to someone without kids?). The maxim "nothing worth doing was ever easy" definitely applies to having kids. To quote another hackneyed phrase "its the hardest job you'll ever love." But none of these phrases really means as much until after you already have kids so I think for the childless, they probably just sound annoying.

But these things I do sincerely feel: The selflessness of raising kids (not that its ALL selfless) gives me a much bigger, broader view of the world and my place in it. It makes me feel grounded. It gives my life purpose. It connects me to the continuum of life - my parents before me and my children (and their children) after me. Managing a family as a cohesive unit is also an exhilirating thing (when it works smoothly - when not, well, it can be a little hair raising). And watching them grow and become their own little people is a truly awesome (in the literal meaning of the word) experience. My kids are 11 and 6. Its been a great ride so far and I look forward to more!

Can someone get these joys in other places? Of course they can. But for me, and I think many people, our biology is intimately connected to the drive and desire to nurture the next generation and that's a pretty palpable motivator. And it seems to satisfy something very basic and primordial inside us. Its kind of a "meaning of life" moment for me. What the hell else am I going to do with my life anyway? I personally just didn't feel like "enjoying myself" for another 60 years was going to give me (personally, I'm not judging others here) enough satisfaction and meaning out of life. I will admit, though, that it can drive a wedge between you and those that do not have kids (or vice versa). Yes, I have such friends, but the reality is that my life and schedule and needs have changed a lot and often don't dovetail so well with childless couples' patterns of living. That doesn't mean I value them any less - I just see them less.

So, I will say this about having kids (and I'm curious to hear what others have to say, too) - you will never, ever, be absolutely sure its what you want to do because, without experiencing it, you really can't know what is involved. And once you make the commitment, there is no returning them (but don't tell my kids - I have to hold something over them...). That's a very cold lake to jump in. A very cold, uncertain lake. But speaking as one who is already in the water, I think you should come on in - the water's fine. In fact, its pretty great. And it just might make you a better person - I know it has for me (which is not to say you are a bad person now...)

Also, I get bored easily. But never with my kids. They are very entertaining.
 
So, I will say this about having kids (and I'm curious to hear what others have to say, too) - you will never, ever, be absolutely sure its what you want to do because, without experiencing it, you really can't know what is involved. And once you make the commitment, there is no returning them (but don't tell my kids - I have to hold something over them...). That's a very cold lake to jump in. A very cold, uncertain lake. But speaking as one who is already in the water, I think you should come on in - the water's fine. In fact, its pretty great. And it just might make you a better person - I know it has for me (which is not to say you are a bad person now...)

Also, I get bored easily. But never with my kids. They are very entertaining.

Raising children is the worst and greatest experience all at the same time. My wife and I got married at 23/22 and had our first chid 15 months later. After wanting 2-3, we almost stopped at the one. But decided against it and a few years later we had our 2nd. We knew we wanted kids early in our marriage. We knew what we were giving up, but know that it will give us more freedom later while we are still relatively young. My wife and I also like to eat out, shop and travel. But we didn't stop when we had kids. It was curtailed, but they became a part of it.

Am I jealous of your freedom. Hell yes I am. But I also chuckle inside when you tell me about the new restaurant you ate at or the cool trip you took. I chuckle because I know what those experiences are like, but you can't imagine in your wildest dreams what it feels like to be a parent. I can't describe it to you. Imgaine how much you love your wife. Then try and imagine loving something even more. I know it sounds weird, but that's how I feel about my daughters.

Like wahday, I'm a better person because of my daughters. It's a cliche, and perhaps it means I'm less of a person that I couldn't better myself on my own. But I see the world in a different way. I treat people in a different way.

With all this being said, if my wife and I did not have children early in our marriage, I can see a scenario where we remained childless. I would never judge those who decide against children. My life would be easier without my kids, but would it be as fulfilliing? I don't know. No one ever knows. Like wahday said, you just have to jump in that very cold lake to find out.
 
Plus
- older parents = generally speaking wiser parents.
- generally have more resources available
- have had time to establish a solid relationship with spouse to help weather the inevitable child-rearing disputes
- crossing items off the bucket list, more likely to really want to jump in the cold lake

Minus
- less energy to chase 'em around
- about the time you want to retire is when they want you to help pay for college
- you end up feeling like some old geezer at all the school functions (oh, is he your grandson?)
- Older DNA is more likely to have issues (challenges with conceiving/delivery, Downs, more)
- Less of a generation gap (recalling family car trips and battles over the radio station, fashion choices...)
 
Today I took my kid up to the parking lot of a local park for his first-ever driving lesson. He has successfully avoided this for almost 4 yrs; he will be 19 in April! He just got his learners permit last week; I got so sick of nagging him to study, I finally hauled his ass to a driving school and signed him up for a private license prep course and required 4-hr drug and alcohol course then took him to get his permit.

He didn't want to drive all week but I got him to go today. As expected, after I figured he'd conquered the parking lot and said to pull over and I'll head home, he wanted to keep going (OK by me) then wanted to know if I'd let him drive around our neighborhood (nope, I've seen too many brick mailbox enclosures taken out around here). Now I need to figure out the next place to take him to practice. And next week, we're going back to the driving school to sign him up for a couple lessons with a professional instructor. He'll be happy if it's the main instructor. When we signed him up for the prep classes, on the way home I said "Well, she seemed nice." And he said "She had great tits." 8-!
 
Why? Does RJ have great tits too? :lmao:

I never noticed.But he gets two thumbs up for his legs and butt.

But I think the reference to RJ was more about his making comments about him getting his hair cut and saying the woman who cut his hair had a "great rack"; and probably a few more similar posts... :r: Maybe he said "jugs", come to think of it. Well, I got mad about it before; not going there tonite.
 
Today I dropped the kid off for his first driving lesson with a professional instructor. No, he didn't get the one with the tits, he got a retired guy who he said "looks like a stoner". He had the kid master parking lot basics,learn the 3-pt turn, then had him drive around a residential neighborhood for awhile. Apparently the kid was doing so well, the guy had him drive back to the driving school. Across a busy bridge with lanes closed due to repairs/construction, then down the busiest road in town, at 2:30 in the afternoon. 8-! I don't care how good he did, I was so floored there was no way I could let him drive home as he wanted to do. That would have been panic attack time. Which is why I don't mind paying a professional to teach him.
 
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