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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Raising Children Thread

I had brothers growing up...this daugther thing is confusing the hell out of me.

Trust me. I am in the same boat. I want my daughter to be strong, confident, know she can do anything and hang in with the boys, but at the same time be refined, gurlie, and well enjoy life...

At the tender age of 5 i have a daughter this bright, yet can't sit still, loves sports like soccer and baseball, always wants to be active, but can be gurlie by putting on make up, dressing up like a princess and doing her weekly ballet class.

Girls are confusing..
 
My 3.5 year old is a budding urbanist. This morning he decided that they (my wife, him and his two brothers) should walk to school. Halfway there he turned to her and said, "We don't need a car anymore, we can walk to school and home again".

I'm so proud of my little pedestrian! :D

Also, it helps that school is an easy 0.7 miles away on local neighborhood streets.
 

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I am now being chauffeured around town in my car by RT as she practices her driving after receiving 6 hours of driving lessons. It's weird being the passenger in my own car.

I just paid the deposit to her university. It's hard to believe that we've arrived at that place. Where did the time go?
 
My kindergartener is the opposite of an Alpha-female, and I am admittedly worried about what kind of easily-influenced teenager, desperate for acceptance, she could end up being.

If it's any consolation, even though mine seems the opposite of yours, I too worry (immensly) about what kind of easily-influenced teenager, desperate for acceptance, she could end up being. The joys of parenting :/

I have been so incredibly stressed and worried about my daughter lately. She can be sassy, headstrong, stubborn, and I can totally handle it, but her dad is having TONS of problems with her. She literally gets combative at his house when she doesn't get her own way. But, she ends up getting her own way, so he is just teaching her to continue that behavior (plus, than she doesn't get disciplined at all for her behavior). And because we have joint custody, with her being there 40% of the time, the incidents happen frequently. It has had me in tears multiple times the past week because I worry about her growing up to be a juvenile delinquent, and 2) because he just DOES NOT GET IT. She can be stubborn and sassy at my house, but no where near the behavior at her dads. She isn't like that anywhere else except for his house (not at my house, school, or daycare), so how does he not see that HE needs to make the changes to HIS parenting? I've tried talking to him (nicely and calmly) multiple times, as has his girlfriend (a social worker for CPS) and still he makes excuses for her (she's tired, hungry, blah blah blah). He won't accept responsbility for his actions (or lack thereof) plus he's teaching her to make excuses for her actions.

I just don't know what to do anymore?! I don't think it's fair that she is punished at my house for something she did at HIS house, especially when there are no consequences there?! I asked, and he agreed to go to "family" counseling, but I told her dad that this is about HIM but I will do what I can to help. We tried this a few years ago, they told him it's about his parenting, but he still doesn't get it. I also requested we revise the schedule so she is with me more, and he is actually considering it. I told him I don't want child support (I dont get any now), I just want her in an environment where she understands right from wrong and the consequences attached. I guess as a last resort I petition for a change in custody/visitation. Blah, sorry for the rambling vent....
 
I also requested we revise the schedule so she is with me more, and he is actually considering it. I told him I don't want child support (I dont get any now), I just want her in an environment where she understands right from wrong and the consequences attached. I guess as a last resort I petition for a change in custody/visitation. Blah, sorry for the rambling vent....

Kids aren't stupid. She clearly doesn't see him as an authority figure. Just like when kids go to grandma's house, they know they can get away with more stuff. I think she's just acting out at his place because he doesn't do anything. I wouldn't worry about her long-term, unless she starts in on you the way she does with him.

Based on everything you've said, he's never going to "get it". Push to have her more!!
 
Kids aren't stupid. She clearly doesn't see him as an authority figure. Just like when kids go to grandma's house, they know they can get away with more stuff. I think she's just acting out at his place because he doesn't do anything. I wouldn't worry about her long-term, unless she starts in on you the way she does with him.

Based on everything you've said, he's never going to "get it". Push to have her more!!

Once in a while she certainly tries to push boundaries with me, but recognizes fairly quickly that she can't get away with 90% of the things she does at her dads. Often all I have to do is look at her, say "really?!" and she gets this look on her face (as if to say, oh crap, I'm at moms), says she's sorry and changes her tune.
SO, life is fairly good in my household, and at daycare and school, so I'm holding out hope that it all works out in the end. And yes, definately pushing for more time.....
 
Once in a while she certainly tries to push boundaries with me, but recognizes fairly quickly that she can't get away with 90% of the things she does at her dads. Often all I have to do is look at her, say "really?!" and she gets this look on her face (as if to say, oh crap, I'm at moms), says she's sorry and changes her tune.
SO, life is fairly good in my household, and at daycare and school, so I'm holding out hope that it all works out in the end. And yes, definately pushing for more time.....

The sad truth is that you are going to have to parent your way, and he'll parent his way. I know just how you feel; I really don't get any disciplinary support from my ex. He simply laughed off any attempts on my part to have consistent, supportive parenting. He also laughs off any misbehavior on the kids' part, even with the time he had to pick up our daughter from the police station!

Your daughter is smart, and she's going to learn good behavior from you. Mine did (so far).
 
So CPSURaf, SWMiPlanner, btrage, wahday, cch and those with similar yonug ones PAY ATTENTION:


Sex Ed for an eight year old

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/04/06/wits-sweeney/

Well, now I feel totally unprepared!

My son asked these question early on and some our friends still remember overhearing he and some girls at a park discussing the details when they were about 5/6 years old. The girls were speculating about how it all works, and then my son comes out with all this technical information and the correct terms for all the parts and shocks them all. The friend that overheard it expressed a combination of horror and wonderment that he had all the facts straight. I was proud. Almost as proud as when he told the other pre-school kids on the playground that there was no Santa Claus. We had to tell him to stop with that one.

Despite all of that, it does seem so different talking about this with a girl...
 
Ah, I remember telling my son about the facts of life. He was 6, I believe. After I was done, he was silent for a moment, then said something like: "Ewww. I am never going to do that!"
 
I guess my approach is one of delivering age appropriate and correct information to RT. When she was little it was more about knowing what was inappropriate behavior. When puberty started setting in it was more about body changes, feelings, etc. There's a great book for girls called "The Care & Keeping of You" which is geared to the 9-12 year old set that was quite helpful in explaining things.

Middle school and high school have been about mechanics, pregnancy process, physical health, emotional health, prevention, etc. I live in the real world and understand that your kid isn't going to do (or not do) something just because you tell them to. Education and information plus an honest and open relationship has been the key for us. I answer questions fully and honestly, use myself as an example (good & bad), and yeah it's crazy awkward at times but you have to do it because if you don't one of your kid's friends will 8-!

Now that she's getting ready to go to college I know that I won't be able to keep tabs on her as much as I do too, but I sincerely hope that all the groundwork that's been laid will serve her well. She's already broached the subject of birth control methods for when she goes to college and what makes the most sense for her. I am glad that she feels comfortable enough to come to me and have that conversation well ahead of the time when a situation might occur and not on the back end when a whole lot of issues come into play.

Believe me, it's hard to let go.
 
When I was 7 or 8 my mom sat me down and talked with me about it all. She was very factual and even drew pictures. Unfortunately she's not the best artist. Maybe that explains my fascination with mushrooms...
;):h::p:a:
 
When I was 7 or 8 my mom sat me down and talked with me about it all. She was very factual and even drew pictures. Unfortunately she's not the best artist. Maybe that explains my fascination with mushrooms...
;):h::p:a:

I love it :)


My parents sat me down and had me watch an educational video. It was awful. I plan to be much more "hands on" than my parents were. I think the facts are much better to go with than the fear.
 
I never had a sex talk with my parents. I did however grow up on a farm and saw all sorts of animals in action first-hand as well as when the vet would come out to inseminate the cows so I probably understood more than I realized rather early on.

Maybe I should move my family to a farm to avoid having the sex talk with my own daughter? :-c
 
"zoning" at 4:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-LwxR746s&feature=share

Thanks for finding, Giff!
 
I hate prom. When did it get to be this expensive??

Tickets are $80 per person :-c
Dresses are a minimum of $250 (I'm making RT buy this herself)
Shoes
Hair
Mani/Pedi

Shoot me now.
 
I hate prom. When did it get to be this expensive??

Tickets are $80 per person :-c
Dresses are a minimum of $250 (I'm making RT buy this herself)
Shoes
Hair
Mani/Pedi

Shoot me now.

Be glad you don't have 2 daughters. Wait, be glad you're not Ursus!!

Holy crap that man's gonna be broke after prom/weddings. We need to start a fund for him.
 
Be glad you don't have 2 daughters. Wait, be glad you're not Ursus!!

Holy crap that man's gonna be broke after prom/weddings. We need to start a fund for him.

Oh you should see the bill around my place when the seasons change and everybody has to just have different clothes! Your average family I don't think has to budget for new flip-flops, but around the ursus household, it's a necessity! ;)

I have actually been planning strategies for proms/weddings/bailing people out of jail/ etc. for quite some time.....when I say planning strategies I mean, of course, lying awake some nights just saying "Holy Crap" over and over again!!!!
 
Home ec classes

S-e-w-i-n-g a prom gown should be an option.

My niece's then-BFF was from a "modest" household, so the popular strapless skin-displaying attire had to be covered up. Sis-the-doc made the kid a prom dress that looked...nice. Better than one worn with a T-shirt. Niece decried the idea of a ho-made dress until the BFF went wild with appreciation for the finished product.

HTH

(picks up evening clothes at the thrift shoppes)
 
That duct tape prom attire competition is soooo cool! I would be so proud if either of my daughter's attempted to do that.

So far my 6-year old is totally leaning towards being the type of girl who would never expect or desire an extravagent wedding or anything overly girly. She loves how her dad and I got married inexpensively, on a beach with no guests. She also hails from a long line of non-prom attendees. :D

As for the birds and the bees... we sometimes watch Teen Mom on MTV together. She has made her own observations while watching, about why having a baby when you are young is not a good thing, and she seems serious about wanting to be old enough to have a job (owning a bakery) and to live on her own, and married to a guy who is all grown up and helpful, before she has a baby. After trying to wrap her head around why any teenage girl would want to have a baby, when it takes so much time and money, I explained to her that there are ways girls can make sure they don't have babies till they are older, but sometimes girls don't think about that stuff, especially the girls who really like hugging and kissing their boyfriends, and think they will always be with their boyfriends and never break up. Of course, then she was pressing me to explain the ways to make sure it doesn't happen. I finally told her that a lot of it has to do with not hugging and kissing your boyfriend too much (which made her laugh, like she thought I was kidding), and there is also medicine you can take, if you know you aren't ready to be a mommy. But I ended up saying she doesn't need to think about those things yet.

Then a couple weeks later, out of the blue, she asked if she can take that medicine now. I asked her "what medicine?" and she said "The medicine so I don't have a baby till I am old enough."
 
.....So far my 6-year old is totally leaning towards being the type of girl who would never expect or desire an extravagent wedding or anything overly girly. She loves how her dad and I got married inexpensively, on a beach with no guests. She also hails from a long line of non-prom attendees. :D.....

Mine was like this at that age too. Then she grew up to be 17 and it was all over :not:
 
Hink_Planner;584829 I plan to be much more "hands on" than my parents were. I think the facts are much better to go with than the fear.[/QUOTE said:
I thought so, too, but it didn't work out that way.

My mom never told my sister and me anything about sex. My 2 best friends and I ended up at the mall newsstand in junior high and bought "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex But Were Afraid to Ask" and passed it around. Talk about an eye-opener.

My only child ended up being a boy. I got him a good book about puberty when he was 11 or 12 and said "Ask me or call your uncle if you have any questions". I'm such a chicken sometimes.
 
I hate prom. When did it get to be this expensive??

Tickets are $80 per person :-c
Dresses are a minimum of $250 (I'm making RT buy this herself)
Shoes
Hair
Mani/Pedi

Shoot me now.

My little sister is having her formal (prom) this year and i have been tasked with making her dress- should be interesting!
 
My son is having a birthday/sleepover at a friend, My son asked if we would be using his time away to have sex. My wife said "no." I nodded yes. One of us is going to be wrong. I am hoping it is her.
 
Based on a few posters, I feel like my wife and I should be having the birds and bees talk with my almost 8 year old daughter. She's never brought it up, so I've thought nothing of it. Maybe I'll mention something to my wife.
 
My son is having a birthday/sleepover at a friend, My son asked if we would be using his time away to have sex. My wife said "no." I nodded yes. One of us is going to be wrong. I am hoping it is her.

You could both be right but I hope not. ;)
 
My son is having a birthday/sleepover at a friend, My son asked if we would be using his time away to have sex. My wife said "no." I nodded yes. One of us is going to be wrong. I am hoping it is her.

It depends on what your definition of "is" is.
 
My son has now entered the Terrible Twos...

Who knew such a small mouth could emit such a loud scream!!! :-c
 
Junior and I pass the Easter Bunny photo setup at the mall and I ask if he'd like to see the EB. He responds 'no, that's not the real easter bunny'. When I remided him he saw Santa here a few months ago he says 'Santa is real, but that Easter Bunny isn't'. When I asked how he could tell this wasnt the real easter bunny (it was a guy in a suit) he says 'that one is a robot.':-|
 
Untied front or separate paths?

Here is my quandary: my wife wants our son to work harder in school and she wants me to push him harder. It is not that she wants to push him harder. She wants me to do it.

Our son is bright and conscientious. He is a slow worker and hates to read. We are working on that. His primary fault regarding school, in my opinion, is he is forgetful. He forgets to turn in assignments and sometimes he forgets to do them. My wife thinks he is deliberately shirking work.

Guess maybe she is something of a Tiger Mother. She was always at the top of her class. I was a mediocre student until I got to college. She thinks we should be cracking the whip. She wants him to be an engineer and go to MIT. He is only 9 years old and is a long way from knowing what he wants.

I am content so long as he turns in his work and has at least a B average in the subject. He pulls A's and B's. His reading grade teeters on the C/B precipice, dipping and rising as we keep him turning in his assignments.

She says he doesn't listen to her, which is mostly true. He has found out she is all bark and no follow-through. It is not lost on me that maybe all the barking isn't so much to get him to work as it is to get me to give in and make him work. Like John Lennon, I am only looking to have me some peace or its homonym.

I have no problem with my wife making my son work harder, if she wants to put in the effort and the time. Don't see why it has to be all my effort and time. So a lot of the time I blow her off and feel guilty about it.

On one hand, I feel like we as parents should have a united front. On the other hand, I resent being expected to push an agenda I do not share.

Any Cyburbians have a similar predicament with a spouse and possible suggestions how to handle this?
 
On one hand, I feel like we as parents should have a united front. On the other hand, I resent being expected to push an agenda I do not share.
As a municipal planner, think of the times you've had to do this at work and you should have your answer. ;)
 
Here is my quandary: my wife wants our son to work harder in school and she wants me to push him harder. It is not that she wants to push him harder. She wants me to do it.

She says he doesn't listen to her, which is mostly true. He has found out she is all bark and no follow-through. It is not lost on me that maybe all the barking isn't so much to get him to work as it is to get me to give in and make him work. Like John Lennon, I am only looking to have me some peace or its homonym.

I have no problem with my wife making my son work harder, if she wants to put in the effort and the time. Don't see why it has to be all my effort and time. So a lot of the time I blow her off and feel guilty about it.

On one hand, I feel like we as parents should have a united front. On the other hand, I resent being expected to push an agenda I do not share.

Any Cyburbians have a similar predicament with a spouse and possible suggestions how to handle this?

It's probably not fair for her to put it on you because he doesn't listen to her, and I don't think it would be fair to put it on her to deal with because it's not your expectation. I think you guys need to make sure you both have the same agenda when it comes to your son - if he is doing the best he can currently, than maybe your wife needs to relax a little bit on it as to not put extra pressure on him unnecessarily. If he isn't doing the best he can, than perhaps you need to move closer to her side as far as encouraging and motivating him to do more. And by more, it's not just about the homework, but about turning things in, etc.

Once you both figure out the common "agenda", it's really on both of you to make sure he is doing his best and doing what he needs to do.

Have you tried talking to your wife?! I wouldn't advise ignoring her and blowing her off, that tends to make women mad :)
 
...Our son is bright and conscientious. He is a slow worker and hates to read. We are working on that. His primary fault regarding school, in my opinion, is he is forgetful. He forgets to turn in assignments and sometimes he forgets to do them. My wife thinks he is deliberately shirking work.
...I am content so long as he turns in his work and has at least a B average in the subject. He pulls A's and B's. His reading grade teeters on the C/B precipice, dipping and rising as we keep him turning in his assignments....
On one hand, I feel like we as parents should have a united front. On the other hand, I resent being expected to push an agenda I do not share....
Sticker chart or other reward-tracking system. Put the onus on himself, and then you two can issue the rewards.

I can think up lots of ways to incentivize reading, despite never needing any myself (figured it out at age 4). For me, the school issue was writing and turning in book reports; preferred to do the prep, and go on to the next one. (Subsequently I worked in journalism, complete with deadlines.)
 
It's probably not fair for her to put it on you because he doesn't listen to her, and I don't think it would be fair to put it on her to deal with because it's not your expectation. I think you guys need to make sure you both have the same agenda when it comes to your son - if he is doing the best he can currently, than maybe your wife needs to relax a little bit on it as to not put extra pressure on him unnecessarily. If he isn't doing the best he can, than perhaps you need to move closer to her side as far as encouraging and motivating him to do more. And by more, it's not just about the homework, but about turning things in, etc.

Once you both figure out the common "agenda", it's really on both of you to make sure he is doing his best and doing what he needs to do.

Have you tried talking to your wife?! I wouldn't advise ignoring her and blowing her off, that tends to make women mad :)

I agree. Otter, If you and your wife are not on the same page, things are going to get ugly down the road, and not just with school-related matters.

My oldest daughter is extremely smart, but can be forgetful and sometimes needs to be pushed to do her homework.

Sticker chart or other reward-tracking system. Put the onus on himself, and then you two can issue the rewards.

Have you been watching Supernanny?? ;)
 
on the other had folks, come on:

I do believe in a united front and that you should agree on kid stuff like school, discipline, social life, etc.

However, sometimes this doesn't always happen and it's not realistic to think you will always be on the same page (just like all the other aspects of marriage that we all deal with) with kid stuff

and sometimes, because of human interaction dynamics in general, you relate to your kids differently - sometimes things set you off about one of the kids while the other person lets it go - the best thing is to recognize these differences and run with them

for instance, my husband is a real hot head with my eldest - it drive me crazy where I don't like either one of them - anything she says or does sets him off and then she sets herself off and off they go - the problem? they are exactly alike - so when an important message needs to be communicated, like knuckling down in your studies or no, you can't spend then night at your boyfriend's house, I deliver that message - and if I think he's being unreasonable, I tell him (without our daughter around, which is physically hard at times - sometimes kids see your conflicts in your marriage, it's unavoidable but should be attempted to be avoided)

now with the second daughter, I am the crazy hot head - her stubbornness drives me absolutely bug$%^& but my husband can talk her off a ledge, no problem - so I let him tell her the bad news

so it sounds like both you and your wife know he needs to push himself a little harder, so that's an agreed upon point :a:, but she's more pi$$ed off about it than you so yeah, you should be the one to help him find his work potential because you will likely be more helpful to him over time than she is
 
Today is bring your kids to work day:not:

I'm barely an adult myself, not a huge fan of kids running around the office...
 
on the other had folks, come on:

I do believe in a united front and that you should agree on kid stuff like school, discipline, social life, etc.

However, sometimes this doesn't always happen and it's not realistic to think you will always be on the same page (just like all the other aspects of marriage that we all deal with) with kid stuff

and sometimes, because of human interaction dynamics in general, you relate to your kids differently - sometimes things set you off about one of the kids while the other person lets it go - the best thing is to recognize these differences and run with them

for instance, my husband is a real hot head with my eldest - it drive me crazy where I don't like either one of them - anything she says or does sets him off and then she sets herself off and off they go - the problem? they are exactly alike - so when an important message needs to be communicated, like knuckling down in your studies or no, you can't spend then night at your boyfriend's house, I deliver that message - and if I think he's being unreasonable, I tell him (without our daughter around, which is physically hard at times - sometimes kids see your conflicts in your marriage, it's unavoidable but should be attempted to be avoided)

now with the second daughter, I am the crazy hot head - her stubbornness drives me absolutely bug$%^& but my husband can talk her off a ledge, no problem - so I let him tell her the bad news

so it sounds like both you and your wife know he needs to push himself a little harder, so that's an agreed upon point :a:, but she's more pi$$ed off about it than you so yeah, you should be the one to help him find his work potential because you will likely be more helpful to him over time than she is

I think you're absolutely correct, but I think otter's problem is that they don't agree on how hard he should be pushed or what their expectations are.

I think it's crap that his wife want to push the kid harder, but wants him to make the effort, especially if he doens't agree.
 
I think you're absolutely correct, but I think otter's problem is that they don't agree on how hard he should be pushed or what their expectations are.

I think it's crap that his wife want to push the kid harder, but wants him to make the effort, especially if he doesn't agree.

true but I think then that the husband and wife need to spend more time together to figure out why she feels so strongly that a 4th grader is on the road to ruin (but good study habits can, but not always, take form in middle school) and why he doesn't feel that way -

usually it's our own upbringing that influences how we address kid stuff

I think he could nudge his son gently so as to not bring the kid down but still address what his wife's needs are to have the kid understand that school is a necessary evil at times and a priority - a 9 yo clearly won't understand the value of education but they will never learn that unless you tell them either

life is compromise and sometimes we do stuff we don't want to do - I do think otterpop can deliver that message more effectively than she can because she sounds too spooled up about it all

my point with my own experience with kid stuff is that these things happen - sometimes we don't get along

[of course, having just dealt with college applications and watching my daughter not get into the schools she wanted or got in the schools she wanted but didn't get any merit scholarship so she can't go because we can't afford it, and is now going to her next to last choice for college this fall (and she'll be fine, but still), I am a little hyped up on getting kids to study - her B's in high school wiped out her chances to get the merit scholarships to go where she wanted to go]
 
Here is my quandary: my wife wants our son to work harder in school and she wants me to push him harder. It is not that she wants to push him harder. She wants me to do it.

Our son is bright and conscientious. He is a slow worker and hates to read. We are working on that. His primary fault regarding school, in my opinion, is he is forgetful. He forgets to turn in assignments and sometimes he forgets to do them. My wife thinks he is deliberately shirking work.

Guess maybe she is something of a Tiger Mother. She was always at the top of her class. I was a mediocre student until I got to college. She thinks we should be cracking the whip. She wants him to be an engineer and go to MIT. He is only 9 years old and is a long way from knowing what he wants.

I am content so long as he turns in his work and has at least a B average in the subject. He pulls A's and B's. His reading grade teeters on the C/B precipice, dipping and rising as we keep him turning in his assignments.

She says he doesn't listen to her, which is mostly true. He has found out she is all bark and no follow-through. It is not lost on me that maybe all the barking isn't so much to get him to work as it is to get me to give in and make him work. Like John Lennon, I am only looking to have me some peace or its homonym.

I have no problem with my wife making my son work harder, if she wants to put in the effort and the time. Don't see why it has to be all my effort and time. So a lot of the time I blow her off and feel guilty about it.

On one hand, I feel like we as parents should have a united front. On the other hand, I resent being expected to push an agenda I do not share.

Any Cyburbians have a similar predicament with a spouse and possible suggestions how to handle this?

LP gave the best advice IMO. Its definitely true with my kids as they get older that they relate to each of us in a different way. I think that is ok, but it does sometimes lead to situations like you are describing. I think its fair to say exactly what you posted to your wife and she should be open to having this conversation. But it may also be true that you, in the role you have with your son, may just have to suck it up and make him get to work, even though it may not be as important to you. But maybe part of the issue is making sure your wife knows are doing it, but are perhaps not that excited about that role and feel burdened by it.

Spouses are different and gender can obviously play a big role in this. It is often the case, for example (across time and cultures) that at a certain age, boys begin to differentiate themselves from the mothers and that may be part of the difference in how he relates to each of you. In some cultures, the men even come and steal the boy away from his mother while she cries and he cries and then they take him off for a retreat where they teach him about "manly" things and he returns changed and with a new and different relationship to mom. I'm not advocating this, of course (though its interesting think how this might go down in modern America) but my point is simply that its a common human pattern that each parent has a different relationship with each kid and sometimes one is the Heavy and the other the Confident. Sounds like you are the Heavy.

I was trying to find this great Bill Cosby routine about this, but I failed. I think its from "Russell my Broth Whom I Slept with." He talks about the difference between moms and dads:

Moms are like "will you cut that out!" and you stop for a minute, but then you keep going because, its just mom and she can't whip both of you at the same time. But if dad says something - "what's going on here?!" - you better just walk away clean, jack, 'cause that's the Old Gunfighter, man.

He goes on to compare asking each of them for a nickel:

"Mom, can I have a nickel?"
"No, I don't have a nickel to give you"
Then, starting to cry "But, Larry's got a nickel, and Bobby's got a nickel and I don't have any nickel.."
"Ok, fine, here's a nickel"
"Thanks, babe, see you around...."

"Dad, can I have a nickel?"
"No, get out of here!"
"Ok, dad, I'll go look elsewhere, sorry to bother you..."

Or something like that. That's Old School. of course, but some things stand the test of time. I'm definitely the "just wait until your dad gets home" person in my household.
 
I am so glad my kids are grown and gone. Raising other people's children is so much easier for me. No particular wisdom for the current group of parents and advise givers other than to say that you're all right and you're all wrong. You'll see.
 
Your kids are like you, your kids are different than you. I am glad in some ways that I am a single parent because it's my way or no way. I do try to be reasonable though because she can't plead her case elsewhere. We enjoy a pretty good relationship but we know how to exactly get on each others last nerve.

otterpop I think your son needs an organizational coach. No, I am not kidding. When I used to run the tutoring program at the middle school I had a lot of kids that were bright and could do the work but seemed to be scatterbrained and forgetful about assignments and things. So before we commenced with the tutoring we put the kids through organizational activities, getting the binder organized, using assignment planners, etc. It works wonders for lots of kids....including my own who got this help when she was your son's age. Most of the learning centers like Sylvan have this service and I am sure if you speak to one of the administrators at the school they could recommend someone or might have a program in place already.

FWIW, I disagree with your wife that you should be the one with the stick. I too, excelled at school without much effort so it was hard to understand that my daughter ticks in a different way. You always have to walk the fine line of ensuring they are doing what they need to do and being too stern because you don't want to kill their love for learning.
 
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