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Planit said:
Election signs starting to pop up here.

The malcontents sign reads: Change Ain't Polite
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Don't be putting those signs in the public ROW...

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Planit said:
Election signs starting to pop up here.

The malcontents sign reads: Change Ain't Polite
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We have a local election in 3 weeks so of course we've had signs up for the last 6 months. People still cannot fathom that we don't have time limits on political signs.

We're about a year out from governor's race. The rest of American will be able to thank us for electing America's dumbest senator to be our next governor (even though he lives in Florida). At least then, he can only really screw up one state that's already ranked in low 40s in most metrics anyway.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
We have a local election in 3 weeks so of course we've had signs up for the last 6 months. People still cannot fathom that we don't have time limits on political signs.

We're about a year out from governor's race. The rest of American will be able to thank us for electing America's dumbest senator to be our next governor (even though he lives in Florida). At least then, he can only really screw up one state that's already ranked in low 40s in most metrics anyway.
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I forget where I believe you're from based on some of your posts here but now you've reminded me and confirmed for me that you're in Alabama.
 


Hunter is back! and sounding crude as is his pedigree but also dare I say........Presidential ;) I love how much he looks, talks and acts like his dad, but with more hilarity and antics. He needs to start saying "Jack" and "Malarkey" if he ever actually runs for office.

Hunter / AOC 2028 !
 
Good lands can we please stop with political legacy approaches to selecting candidates? Multiple Bushes/shrubs, the Clintons, Trump's fairly transparent view of himself as some type of royal blood line... if there is one very clear message over the last two decades, it is the increasing desire for outsiders/anti-establishment/new blood.

And I say this as a non-religious person: Democrats need a James Talarico type that credibly connects with religious/spiritual voters and doesn't cede that ground, and has a clearer understanding of "stick up for the little guy" policy and messaging. Someone that can take the fight effectively into "red lands and red audiences" like he did on Joe Rogan ().
 
The Terminator said:
Hunter / AOC 2028 !
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Dude, that pair is simply not electable on a national level. Until the Dems realize this about so many of their candidates that party is going nowhere. Hitching your wagon to the extreme left is not the move if you want to attract the "middle of the road" voter. Which, by the way, I firmly believe is where the vast majority of Americans truly are but they are dying for a candidate they can truly embrace.
 
MD Planner said:
Dude, that pair is simply not electable on a national level. Until the Dems realize this about so many of their candidates that party is going nowhere. Hitching your wagon to the extreme left is not the move if you want to attract the "middle of the road" voter. Which, by the way, I firmly believe is where the vast majority of Americans truly are but they are dying for a candidate they can truly embrace.
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This is probably correct.

Maybe I am misreading Hunter's ambitions. He would also make a great California governor.
 
The Terminator said:
This is probably correct.

Maybe I am misreading Hunter's ambitions. He would also make a great California governor.
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I guess I don't understood your infatuation with him. He's a convicted criminal. Maybe we as a country should try and get away from electing criminals. Not saying folks don't deserve a second chance at times but perhaps not by granting them the keys to the kingdom.
 
MD Planner said:
I guess I don't understood your infatuation with him. He's a convicted criminal. Maybe we as a country should try and get away from electing criminals. Not saying folks don't deserve a second chance at times but perhaps not by granting them the keys to the kingdom.
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I think allot of Americans can relate to his erm....troubles. Lots of Californians would love to see a convict in the Governors mansion. Between Ahnold and Gavin, California cant become anymore of a joke than it already is. But maybe Hunter might just want to actually tackle addiction and homelessness in a humanitarian demand-side way, since hes like um well been there before. Hunter is also somewhat of an ecologist and understands the dire need to climate mitigate the entire Golden State. He's also not afraid to tell off the people who need to be told. Sometimes you need the right type of creep on your side to keep creeps in line?

He's also just hilarious. And he is a California resident.
 
Thoughts...

Gerrymandering is wrong and we as a nation need to do a much better job preventing it. Yes, everyone is doing it, but no, it should not be acceptable.

The idea of Hunter Biden and AOC ticket makes me want to puke. MD Planner is 100% correct.

The political backlash over the American Eagle Jeans commercials is funny and seems to be working well at selling jeans.
 
michaelskis said:
Thoughts...

Gerrymandering is wrong and we as a nation need to do a much better job preventing it. Yes, everyone is doing it, but no, it should not be acceptable.
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Tell that to the Republican Supreme Court.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Texas drawing a gerrymandered map. It is expected at this point. My issue is that they are redrawing the map in the middle of the decade in a naked power grab. The maps are supposed to be drawn after the census, which they were. Now they are trying to redraw mid-decade because they know that Dear Leader is going to lose the House in the Midterms, so they are trying to cheat. THAT is the real issue and it gets NO coverage.
 
The Terminator said:
I think allot of Americans can relate to his erm....troubles. Lots of Californians would love to see a convict in the Governors mansion. Between Ahnold and Gavin, California cant become anymore of a joke than it already is. But maybe Hunter might just want to actually tackle addiction and homelessness in a humanitarian demand-side way, since hes like um well been there before. Hunter is also somewhat of an ecologist and understands the dire need to climate mitigate the entire Golden State. He's also not afraid to tell off the people who need to be told. Sometimes you need the right type of creep on your side to keep creeps in line?

He's also just hilarious. And he is a California resident.
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Speaking for someone who has lived almost my entire life in the south, I would love to have "comical" leadership of Arnold, Gavin, or Jerry Brown.

Alabama governors include: George Wallace (x3), Lurleen Wallace (because George was term limited), Guy Hunt (removed from office), Don Siegelman (convicted after leaving office), Bob Riley (should have been removed from office), Robert Bentley (resigned in disgrace), Kay Ivey (makes Joe Biden look spry) and soon to be Tuberville. That covers 50 of the last 62 years. The others were very good, but just not as bad as these.

Recent governors from Mississippi, Tennessee, and Florida have all been disasters.
 
So, depending who you ask, the frontrunner for the Dem nomination in the 2028 election is up in the air. What must the Dems do this time around?
 
estromberg said:
Tell that to the Republican Supreme Court.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Texas drawing a gerrymandered map. It is expected at this point. My issue is that they are redrawing the map in the middle of the decade in a naked power grab. The maps are supposed to be drawn after the census, which they were. Now they are trying to redraw mid-decade because they know that Dear Leader is going to lose the House in the Midterms, so they are trying to cheat. THAT is the real issue and it gets NO coverage.
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The NC gerrymanding case says it all. The evidence that the guy who drew it up was quoted to say he did it 'with surgical precision to ensure the republican win' but ultimately the courts said it's not a problem.
 
estromberg said:
Tell that to the Republican Supreme Court.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Texas drawing a gerrymandered map. It is expected at this point. My issue is that they are redrawing the map in the middle of the decade in a naked power grab. The maps are supposed to be drawn after the census, which they were. Now they are trying to redraw mid-decade because they know that Dear Leader is going to lose the House in the Midterms, so they are trying to cheat. THAT is the real issue and it gets NO coverage.
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I would love do... but I don't have that much power. Federalist Paper number 10 didn't call it gerrymandering, but "argued that a large republic, with a diversity of factions, would make it more difficult for any single faction to gain control and oppress others. Gerrymandering, by designing districts to favor one party or group, runs counter to this principle by allowing a faction to potentially dominate through artificial means rather than through broader support."

Planit said:
The NC gerrymanding case says it all. The evidence that the guy who drew it up was quoted to say he did it 'with surgical precision to ensure the republican win' but ultimately the courts said it's not a problem.
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NC is just one of many states that do it.
gerrymander.princeton.edu

Redistricting Report Card

Gerrymandering Project
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Thought this quote was interesting:

"Number of tweets that President Trump & his team have sent about arresting Russia Hoax traitors: 275,322.
Number of arrests that President Trump & his team have made of Russia Hoax traitors: 0.”
 
Sick of politics. Both sides do the same and it becomes the rule to bitch and whine about the other when something is done yet forget about their own past. I remember when the Dems were against illegal immigration and preached enforcement and deportation from the pulpit as such. Now the whole gerrymandering discussion. Mid-census, yes, wrong. But just as wrong to gerrymander when "legal" post-census. As the crow flies, the 13th stretches approximately 150 miles. Does not make a bit of difference to me when done; result is the same.
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Following the 2020 census and the subsequent redistricting cycle, the 13th congressional district was significantly altered to include Champaign, Urbana, most of Decatur and Springfield, and most of the Metro East of St. Louis. All of Macoupin County, and sections of Champaign, Macon, Madison, Piatt, Sangamon, and St. Clair Counties, are included in the new 13th. The redistricting turned the 13th district from a fairly even district to a more heavily Democratic-leaning one, and consequently, it elected a Democratic representative for the first time since 1892.
 
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Sick of politics. Both sides do the same and it becomes the rule to bitch and whine about the other when something is done yet forget about their own past. I remember when the Dems were against illegal immigration and preached enforcement and deportation from the pulpit as such. Now the whole gerrymandering discussion. Mid-census, yes, wrong. But just as wrong to gerrymander when "legal" post-census. As the crow flies, the 13th stretches approximately 150 miles. Does not make a bit of difference to me when done; result is the same.
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Following the 2020 census and the subsequent redistricting cycle, the 13th congressional district was significantly altered to include Champaign, Urbana, most of Decatur and Springfield, and most of the Metro East of St. Louis. All of Macoupin County, and sections of Champaign, Macon, Madison, Piatt, Sangamon, and St. Clair Counties, are included in the new 13th. The redistricting turned the 13th district from a fairly even district to a more heavily Democratic-leaning one, and consequently, it elected a Democratic representative for the first time since 1892.
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Yep.

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This is one where I had to read it a few times to realize that it actually said what I thought it said.


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Trump wants a new U.S. census to exclude people here illegally. It'd be unprecedented

Trump’s demand for a new census is unconstitutional — and impossible
www.msnbc.com

Opinion | Trump’s demand for a new census is unconstitutional — and logistically impossible

The barriers are simply insurmountable.
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“Trump is basically destroying the federal statistical system,” said Margo Anderson, a professor emerita at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee who has written extensively on the history of the census. “He wants numbers that support his political accomplishments, such as he sees them.”
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SlaveToTheGrind said:
Sick of politics. Both sides do the same and it becomes the rule to bitch and whine about the other when something is done yet forget about their own past. I remember when the Dems were against illegal immigration and preached enforcement and deportation from the pulpit as such. Now the whole gerrymandering discussion. Mid-census, yes, wrong. But just as wrong to gerrymander when "legal" post-census. As the crow flies, the 13th stretches approximately 150 miles. Does not make a bit of difference to me when done; result is the same.
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Following the 2020 census and the subsequent redistricting cycle, the 13th congressional district was significantly altered to include Champaign, Urbana, most of Decatur and Springfield, and most of the Metro East of St. Louis. All of Macoupin County, and sections of Champaign, Macon, Madison, Piatt, Sangamon, and St. Clair Counties, are included in the new 13th. The redistricting turned the 13th district from a fairly even district to a more heavily Democratic-leaning one, and consequently, it elected a Democratic representative for the first time since 1892.
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See also:

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Planit said:
The NC gerrymanding case says it all. The evidence that the guy who drew it up was quoted to say he did it 'with surgical precision to ensure the republican win' but ultimately the courts said it's not a problem.
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They were much smarter than the guys in Alabama that said the reasoning was to prevent black people from electing their candidate of choice. One of the reasons the republican approved map for the state got struck down. If you're going to be racist and cheat don't talk about it.
 
The Trump administration is now getting involved to reduce urban crime. He recently federalized the DC police force and a Judge in Philly is switching from D to R to run against a George Soros backed candidate in the general election.

First, I don't think it is Trumps place to get involved. I think that the local and state governments should address the situation.

Having said that, from a political perspective, what do you think can be done to curb urban crime? We see things like the recent incident in Cincinnati and crazy homicide rates in Memphis, St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Kansas City, and Cleveland. Many of these are at the top of the aggravated assault lists too.

As planners, we know that dense urban areas can be amazing places, but they can also be ripe with issues as well. Seeing the differences between places like Raleigh, Durham, Memphis, and Grand Rapids have really made me question what can be done to address this issue. Because at the end of the day, if people and businesses don't feel safe, they are not going to stay. If they don't stay, things won't get any better.
 
Limit testing. They're testing the limits of convention, tradition and political will.

Stay tuned and be ready.
 
Seizing control of the DC police department isn't about rampant crime. Violent crime rates have been documented steadily dropping for years in DC and many other major metros. So what is it about? My guess is it's either about getting the public used to the idea of the Oval Office seizing control of public agencies or maybe trying to get folks distracted from the Epstein scandal.
 
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Maister said:
My guess is it's either about getting the public used to the idea of the Oval Office seizing control of public agencies or maybe trying to get folks distracted from the Epstein scandal.
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JNA said:
^^^ Or worse the first step to Marshall Law ?
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It's likely for sure these and limit testing norms and laws and constitutionality and political fallout...for when they try it on Chicago and LA and NYC, etc, etc.

It's the same testing playbook from earlier this year used to first deport 'criminals that are illegal aliens', then subverting green cards and legal status for academics, etc and right now the pervasive ICE raids.
 
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Maister said:
Seizing control of the DC police department isn't about rampant crime. Violent crime rates have been documented steadily dropping for years in DC and many other major metros. So what is it about? My guess is it's either about getting the public used to the idea of the Oval Office seizing control of public agencies or maybe trying to get folks distracted from the Epstein scandal.
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I think you are correct, but the Police Chief's response to the question about Chain of Command does not help their case any.

One of the elements that will be really interesting is what happens in other Cities with higher crime rates. In May FBI Director Kash Patel said that Memphis “the homicide capital of America per capita.” If Trump is really worried about crime, how long until he does the same thing in Memphis, or Detroit, or Baltimore?
 
NHPlanner said:
Like my gif missed the mark...as it depicts Marshall Erickson (lawyer) from HIMYM...hence Marshall Law. IDK...I thought it was apt...but then again I'm running on short sleep after a concert last night. :)
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Got it.

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michaelskis said:
One of the elements that will be really interesting is what happens in other Cities with higher crime rates. In May FBI Director Kash Patel said that Memphis “the homicide capital of America per capita.” If Trump is really worried about crime, how long until he does the same thing in Memphis, or Detroit, or Baltimore?
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I had understood that his action hinged on DC's status being different than that other incorporated or chartered cities, and that the laws when the capital city was created allowed for this in some limited fashion - specific to DC as the Capital. I don't know much about it, but I think that while the administration may find reasons (I threw up in my mouth a little there) to deploy Nat'l Guard or even other troops in major cities, the federal government assuming command of the police forces of those cities or the state troopers or anything would be indefensible. Not that he'd care, but it would be indefensible. :)
 
I just think it's so he can throw out protestors when he wants to do another picture in front of the church or to make sure we don't get another BLM street or protests in front of the White House. You know, to stop people from doing what the constitution says we can do.
 
ursus said:
I had understood that his action hinged on DC's status being different than that other incorporated or chartered cities, and that the laws when the capital city was created allowed for this in some limited fashion - specific to DC as the Capital. I don't know much about it, but I think that while the administration may find reasons (I threw up in my mouth a little there) to deploy Nat'l Guard or even other troops in major cities, the federal government assuming command of the police forces of those cities or the state troopers or anything would be indefensible. Not that he'd care, but it would be indefensible. :)
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I think you might be correct with the DC status being in play. A senator had indicated that it would not happen if DC had statehood. On the other hand, Trump has already shown willingness to send troops to places like LA in defiance of the Governor.
 
DVD said:
I just think it's so he can throw out protestors when he wants to do another picture in front of the church or to make sure we don't get another BLM street or protests in front of the White House. You know, to stop people from doing what the constitution says we can do.
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I saw a few people mention yesterday that the homeless population of DC is much less visible right now. I don't know if they were picked up or decided to find somewhere else to go away from the drama.
 
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