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Planit said:
Tommy TWOTONE Tubberville first said he was glad it passed, then after it was explained to him said, people should have access.
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They don’t even know what they’re supporting most of the time.
 
michaelskis said:
Even with that, I thought for sure there would be at least one to break from the rest. We have a very partisan (right leaning) SCOTUS and to stand out against it would at least put some doubt in peoples minds. But for it to be unanimous, that is the part that surprised me.
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While it was unanimous, they were NOT on the same page at all. Four were basically just a no and leave it at that. The other 5 are trying to legislate from the bench.
 
Bubba said:
Lifetime appointment - "poll numbers" are irrelevant.
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But some are at least aware of history books... I do think John Roberts is concerned about leaving a legacy as the Chief Justice under which the court's reputation was severely eroded and became openly politicized. He doesn't have to look far to find Chief Justices getting pounded in the history books (or celebrated, as the case may be). I think he is also aware that the court derives its power from the other branches respecting and implementing their decisions--they don't really have a means for forcing compliance to their rulings. Their public trust/perception has historically been key to coercing the other branches to abide.
 
I predict that future cases will all be unsigned and merely a stack of tellings what nine people think. Il Duce Trumpay will decree that court as advisory only.
 
I stopped watching debates years ago because really, do they actually sway anyone's vote?

But a Trump/Biden debate would be prime time comedy gold. Unfortunate but so many would be watching just to see who screws up more.
 
btrage said:
I stopped watching debates years ago because really, do they actually sway anyone's vote?

But a Trump/Biden debate would be prime time comedy gold. Unfortunate but so many would be watching just to see who screws up more.
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IF tRump decides he'll do it. Remember, he says he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.
 
Planit said:
IF tRump decides he'll do it. Remember, he says he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.
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I don't see one happening. In my mind Biden loses the debate in the public sphere even though Trump speaks in run-on sentences that make no sense. I think people will see Trumps yelling rants as signs of virality while a measured, rehearsed Biden message gets lost. Plus most people will only catch the clips from their favorite new source.
 
Donald Trump Shut Up GIF by CBS News
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
I don't see one happening. In my mind Biden loses the debate in the public sphere even though Trump speaks in run-on sentences that make no sense. I think people will see Trumps yelling rants as signs of virality while a measured, rehearsed Biden message gets lost. Plus most people will only catch the clips from their favorite new source.
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I agree. Biden fumbles through most of this public engagement activities. Trump is going to want to paint Biden as a bumbling fool who does not have the mental fortitude to be president anymore.
 
Planit said:
Newsweek Headline


2024 Primaries: Well that was pointless, now we're screwed.
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That's becoming a bigger discussion now--that both parties need a new method of candidate selection. The primary/caucus method is garbage, and has been for a few decades now, but now it has become an acute issue. What's happened this year is not supposed to happen, with candidates completely firmed-up before Super Tuesday.
 
michaelskis said:
I agree. Biden fumbles through most of this public engagement activities. Trump is going to want to paint Biden as a bumbling fool who does not have the mental fortitude to be president anymore.
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LIkely does not. Will be interesting to see tonight if he can speak and read the teleprompter at the same time without messing up. Honestly, people that act like him are put into a care facility. Trump no saint, either. I despise him but our only option is pick the lesser of the two evils. Wish the Dems would have put Gabbard in position.
 
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SlaveToTheGrind said:
LIkely does not. Will be interesting to see tonight if he can speak and read the teleprompter at the same time without messing up. Honestly, people that act like him are put into car facilities. Trump no saint, either. I despise him but our only option is pick the lesser of the two evils. Wish the Dems would have put Gabbard in position.
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Biden IS the lesser of 2 evils.
 
I didn't watch the SOTU address last night but the talking heads this morning were using words like "fiery" and "throwing down the gauntlet" in describing it. Apparently Trump could evidently come up with nothing better to criticize it than calling it "divisive" - not like the kum bah yah unifying speech he'd undoubtedly deliver :r:
 
estromberg said:
Katie Britt's response was AWFUL. SNL is going to have a field day with it.
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You can already almost picture the SNL skit... having her actually cooking stuff, with like a dozen babies velcro'd onto her, followed by Speaker Johnson coming in 1950s style, tossing her his hat while she fetches him a beer
 
This is tragic but not unexpected. Katie Britt's - the republican housewife - cited a sex traffic incident in her rebuttal and made it appear to be a recent issue at the border by Biden. EXCEPT now it comes to light that this person was trafficked in Mexico, in 2105 when GBush was president.

Small details I know... :exhausted:
 
Planit said:
This is tragic but not unexpected. Katie Britt's - the republican housewife - cited a sex traffic incident in her rebuttal and made it appear to be a recent issue at the border by Biden. EXCEPT now it comes to light that this person was trafficked in Mexico, in 2105 when GBush was president.

Small details I know... :exhausted:
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So you're telling me the Bush family is STILL going to be in national political office in the NEXT century? Good lord, those people need to give it a rest.


;) :rofl: :smirk:
 
If a modern capitalistic system is dependent on a free market, which in turn relies on individual choice, then what should we do with a modern capitalistic system that is full of individuals and market participants that make systemic and predictable poor choices that clearly do not benefit those making the choices?
 
Wannaplan? said:
If a modern capitalistic system is dependent on a free market, which in turn relies on individual choice, then what should we do with a modern capitalistic system that is full of individuals and market participants that make systemic and predictable poor choices that clearly do not benefit those making the choices?
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I'd say we embrace it and let those participants take full responsibility for their poor choices.
 
btrage said:
I'd say we embrace it and let those participants take full responsibility for their poor choices.
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And yet the modern capitalistic system projects a comprehensive attitude that engenders failure, nay, relies upon individuals to fail. Said another way, the modern capitalistic system that is dependent on a free market is also dependent on failures in the market, ergo, participating in the modern capitalistic system means that you will likely experience failure. I am asking, at what point should the modern capitalistic system be held accountable for producing such epic failure? Isn't the promise of the modern capitalistic system that it is superior because it produces wealth and prosperity?
 
Wannaplan? said:
Rolling Stone has good coverage of her Oscar performance:

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My Heart Is Broken. Send me money.
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'My heart is broken': Katie Britt sends out self-pitying cash plea after SOTU debacle

Sen. Katie Britt (R-AL) sent out a self-pitying fundraising plea after her State of the Union rebuttal made her a national laughingstock.The Alabama Republican delivered a response last week to President Joe Biden that mystified and alarmed viewers in both parties with her hushed tones, dark...
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It is certainly going to be interesting when Trump is gone and the GOP scrambles to figure out what it has become.
Wannaplan? said:
And yet the modern capitalistic system projects a comprehensive attitude that engenders failure, nay, relies upon individuals to fail. Said another way, the modern capitalistic system that is dependent on a free market is also dependent on failures in the market, ergo, participating in the modern capitalistic system means that you will likely experience failure. I am asking, at what point should the modern capitalistic system be held accountable for producing such epic failure? Isn't the promise of the modern capitalistic system that it is superior because it produces wealth and prosperity?
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Failure is a part of life, if you learn from it. At least that's what I've taught my children.

Have you considered that the epic failures of this modern capitalistic system are not a result of the free market functioning as it should, but are the result of too much government involvement?

I would argue that due to the sheer size and nature of our federal government, we are WAY past the days of being able to say the United States operates under a true capitalistic system.
 
btrage said:
I would argue that due to the sheer size and nature of our federal government, we are WAY past the days of being able to say the United States operates under a true capitalistic system.
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You are right, 40+ years of neoliberal economic policies that relies on the state for its continued life are not a true capitalistic system. Yet we’ve never had a true capitalistic system, regardless of the size and scope of the state, so why yearn for something we’ve never had? And why do we keep throwing our hands in the air and scapegoat individuals when we could scapegoat the systems we have put in place?
 
Wannaplan? said:
You are right, 40+ years of neoliberal economic policies that relies on the state for its continued life are not a true capitalistic system. Yet we’ve never had a true capitalistic system, regardless of the size and scope of the state, so why yearn for something we’ve never had? And why do we keep throwing our hands in the air and scapegoat individuals when we could scapegoat the systems we have put in place?
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Fair enough. I just don't like when people blame the country's woes on the evil of capitalism, when in reality we have this weird mix of capitalism and socialism and can't decide what the hell we actually want. And the only "people" benefitting are corporations and the wealthy.
 
btrage said:
Fair enough. I just don't like when people blame the country's woes on the evil of capitalism, when in reality we have this weird mix of capitalism and socialism and can't decide what the hell we actually want. And the only "people" benefitting are corporations and the wealthy.
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We privatize corporation profits under the auspices of capitalism, but socialize their losses.
 
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