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Planit said:
So sad. So very sad this is the leading Republican candidate for President.
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Trump’s Attempt To Describe Missile Defense Has To Be Heard To Be Believed

The former president used sound effects and gestures as he acted out his “iron dome” plan.
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Every damn day since 2015.
 
tRump ordered the MAGA House members to tank Biden's Border Deal. Senator Ken Cramer (R-ND) admitted that tRump is opposed to any border deal while Biden is in office. Mitch McConnell said that the current deal represents the most substantial border security agreement in 30 years.

I guess they don't want to kill one of their campaign main talking points. All I've heard in local commercials for primaries here are 2 talking points they all bring up - 1) close the border 2) kill the liberal Biden agenda. On the contrary, I haven't heard much of 'keeping our guns' & 'abolish abortion' anymore.
 
Planit said:
tRump ordered the MAGA House members to tank Biden's Border Deal. Senator Ken Cramer (R-ND) admitted that tRump is opposed to any border deal while Biden is in office. Mitch McConnell said that the current deal represents the most substantial border security agreement in 30 years.
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I enjoy Rep. Jeff Jackson's public video series about what he is seeing. And this is a key point - no one wants to solve the problem, because the press coverage complaining about the situation does more to get elected than actually doing anything about it. Tanking any border proposal and trying to shut the government down is a ploy for votes.

We really are doomed if those meant to govern do not want to.
 
Here is a question, do you think either of the two major candidates (if reelected) would live to complete another full term in office, or should we be taking a deeper look at the VP options?
 
michaelskis said:
Here is a question, do you think either of the two major candidates (if reelected) would live to complete another full term in office, or should we be taking a deeper look at the VP options?
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I suspect either candidate would/will live for another four years. Between the advances in medicine (and let's be honest, the President gets the best medical care available on earth), and the fact that both candidates, I believe, have longevity in their genes.
 
dw914er said:
I enjoy Rep. Jeff Jackson's public video series about what he is seeing. And this is a key point - no one wants to solve the problem, because the press coverage complaining about the situation does more to get elected than actually doing anything about it. Tanking any border proposal and trying to shut the government down is a ploy for votes.

We really are doomed if those meant to govern do not want to.
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I think this sums up about 98% of the GOPs platform these days:

 
DVD said:
Don't forget to take the occasional jaunt to an actual border state to "see the problem"
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Our state shares a border with the infamous state of South Carolina, which had a landed aristocracy while GA was still a penal colony for exiles and misfits from the England of that time.

A lot of people I know think we need a border wall between SC and GA.
 
michaelskis said:
Here is a question, do you think either of the two major candidates (if reelected) would live to complete another full term in office, or should we be taking a deeper look at the VP options?
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Biden wins re-election and likely won't finish. Trump wins and I strongly believe that he will also not survive but not due to health issues.
 
GOP CO-04 Candidates Celebrate Their Arrests At Debate

Asked if they'd ever been arrested before,
"six out of the nine candidates raised their hands, which was met with jokes and applause from the crowd."

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GOP CO-04 Candidates Celebrate Their Arrests At Debate

Asked if they'd ever been arrested before, "six out of the nine candidates raised their hands, which was met with jokes and applause from the crowd."
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So, I mean our economy is kinda rocking right now. Does that mean we need to focus on the border because the economy isn't a win anymore?

The US economy added 353,000 jobs in January, far more than expected
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Live updates: Another shockingly good jobs report shows America's economy is booming

The US economy added a whopping 353,000 jobs last month, far more than the 176,500 jobs expected. It's yet another data point that underlines the country's economic strength, even in the face of 11 rate hikes from the Federal Reserve.
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Hink said:
So, I mean our economy is kinda rocking right now. Does that mean we need to focus on the border because the economy isn't a win anymore?

The US economy added 353,000 jobs in January, far more than expected
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Live updates: Another shockingly good jobs report shows America's economy is booming

The US economy added a whopping 353,000 jobs last month, far more than the 176,500 jobs expected. It's yet another data point that underlines the country's economic strength, even in the face of 11 rate hikes from the Federal Reserve.
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Dude, we need to focus on the border because it is an absolute shit show. It's real, very real for an awful lot of people whether you're already here or you're trying to get in. It is beyond disgraceful that our government (both parties) have done absolutely nothing meaningful to address the issue involved.
 
MD Planner said:
Dude, we need to focus on the border because it is an absolute shit show. It's real, very real for an awful lot of people whether you're already here or you're trying to get in. It is beyond disgraceful that our government (both parties) have done absolutely nothing meaningful to address the issue involved.
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I'm to the point now of agreeing. Some of it is created (courtesy of my jackass of a governor in TX cosplaying border patrol and disregarding rule of law), but there's enough "real" to it. This goes back to literally nothing being done in terms of actual reform to the immigration process post-Reagan, and both parties have had their opportunities including periods of unified executive/legislative branches. It is nearly four decades of festering, and it is the EXCEPTIONALLY INEFFICIENT legal immigration process that is principally to blame. I don't blame people for not wanting to go through it--multiple friends of mine have and it is a terrible experience. Especially if you overstay your visa.

Also, this entire problem goes back to U.S. imperialist interference in Latin/Central America. We deserve to have this problem, and we deserve to have to fix it and accommodate the resulting immigration. These people are fleeing their countries largely due to the political environment that the U.S. created through irresponsible intervention.

The Republicans are pretty much racist about it, and the Democrats are too chickenshit to actually attempt something meaningful (plus I'm not sure I trust their race perspectives either... lots of hidden racism in the liberal world as well). There's a very real risk that the trust and loyalty built in the Texas Rio Grande Valley post Kennedy/Johnson is being lit on fire.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
These people are fleeing their countries largely due to the political environment that the U.S. created through irresponsible intervention.
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It's easy for folks to forget that we're reaping the harvest from seed we historically sowed ourselves. And we're not talking about a one-off diplomatic boo boo here, but rather many many decades of systematically and intentionally pursuing policies which promoted the installation of the types of governments from which the vast majority of immigrants are now fleeing from. For us to streamline our immigration policies represents justice when viewed from this perspective. it is truly a problem of our own making.
 
But we now have a proposed bi-partisan border bill with many of the items Republican's wanted. BUT WAIT, we can't pass it because it'll make Biden look good and kill one of the main scare tactic election talking points.




This isn't about party over country, it's about tRump over party.
 
"The carnival of stupidity that is a Donald Trump-led Republican Party remains the most distracting show on earth...."--Susan Glaser in the New Yorker this week.
 
We need to do something at the southern border, it's a disaster
Impeach Homeland Security guy Mayorkas because this is so bad

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Here's a bipartisan border security bill that has alot of things you want

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No we don't want that

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Wait WHAT!?!?!?
 
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Planit said:
We need to do something at the southern border, it's a disaster
Impeach Homeland Security guy Mayorkas because this is so bad

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Here's a bipartisan border security bill that has along of things you want

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No we don't want that

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Wait WHAT!?!?!?
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This is what is wrong with the GOP today. They don't actually care about policy and have pretty much given up on going through the motions pretending they want to deal with perceived problems by passing legislation. No, today it's all about party over country. We can't allow an immigration bill to pass because then we can't run on the 'border crisis' if we're doing what's in our power to address it now, can we? No, the country must first lose so that we (the party) can 'win' later on.
 
Maister said:
This is what is wrong with the GOP today. They don't actually care about policy and have pretty much given up on going through the motions pretending they want to deal with perceived problems by passing legislation. No, today it's all about party over country. We can't allow an immigration bill to pass because then we can't run on the 'border crisis' if we're doing what's in our power to address it now, can we? No, the country must first lose so that we (the party) can 'win' later on.
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After a generation of talk radio host throwing out loony conspiracies to fill airwave people started to believe it. It fed off a growing nihilistic wing of evangelical Christians praying for the end of times and wanting to watch the world burn. Now its created grifters who proclaim that they are they only hope to take America back to a time that only existed in their imaginations. None of these people want things fixed because then you don't need them to "save" us.
 
SCOTUS bails out by making the CO ballot case one of states rights. Like most deep state appointed bureaucrats they avoid the tough questions.

"...In early December, 2000, a young lawyer in Washington, D.C., named Gerard Magliocca stopped in front of the Supreme Court building. The question of who had won the Presidential election, on November 7th, remained unresolved. George W. Bush and Al Gore were separated by mere hundreds of votes in Florida, and the Bush campaign had sued to stop a recount. The Florida Supreme Court sided with Gore, so Bush appealed to the United States Supreme Court. While the nine Justices deliberated, the country was fixed to television news of “butterfly ballots” and punch-card “hanging chads.” At the courthouse, the scene was quiet. “There was a TV reporter standing on a box outside to get the building profile in the shot,” Magliocca told me. “I asked if he’d heard anything yet, but he hadn’t.”

Magliocca was a second-year associate at the white-shoe firm Covington & Burling. He was a Republican who’d graduated from Yale Law School and clerked for the enduring Second Circuit judge Guido Calabresi. Election law was a relatively narrow discipline, concerned with voting rights, campaign finance, and redistricting; Bush v. Gore was unprecedented. “At the time, everybody said, ‘This is a question about who won Florida. Elections are always decided by the state Supreme Court. Why would the U.S. Supreme Court get involved? They don’t have jurisdiction,’ ” Magliocca recalled. “That all turned out to be wrong.”..."---Tammy Kim for The New Yorker Feb 07
 
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“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw,
to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth,
impotence into abstinence,
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arrogance into humility,
plunder into philanthropy,
thievery into honor,
blasphemy into wisdom,
brutality into patriotism, and
sadism into justice.
Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
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― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
 
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This weekend's biggest hits:

Encourage Russia to invade allies that 'don't pay up'

Where's Haley's husband (in Africa serving in military) but not where's your AWOL wifey

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MAGA Cult: Anything and everything that proves that you are, "dominant", including but not limited to; breaking laws, disrespecting others, taking advantage of others, being disagreeable in general, violating others rights but demanding yours are respected, and trying to make people feel useless because they don't care about or value your ideas
 
Even though it's going to be 2020 all over again it just seems like the choices are even worse. How, just how is this where we have arrived as a country?
 
Throughout my life, I've always known that presidents were going to be older that me.
Now I'm at the age where I don't want them to be that old. They should be my age or younger.
 
MD Planner said:
Even though it's going to be 2020 all over again it just seems like the choices are even worse. How, just how is this where we have arrived as a country?
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Honestly, it is the result of boomers not getting out of the way and mentoring next generation. It is a pervasive problem across almost all institutions... government, nonprofit world, professional associations, etc. I'm generalizing obviously, but it really does come down to generational clinging to power, resulting in limited alternatives and a tendency to "hold power at any cost" which created the primrose path for MAGA. Couple that with incredibly lousy civics education for 4+ decades, politicization of religion, increasing identity politics and limited opportunities for underskilled/undereducated, and you've got a pretty lethal combination. But its the clinging to power that is fundamentally f'ing everything up.
 
dw914er said:
It was extremely well done and hits right at the core of the issue. Both Biden and Trump stink. Biden isn't at the same level in terms of their personal character, but they're both elderly men vying for a tough and important job, who again are breaking the age records they set 4 years ago.
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I can not agree more.

Additionally, it is a sorry state of affairs that we as a nation continue to allow for this to happen.
 
One of the headlines that popped up on my news feed this morning was "Marjorie Taylor Greene Forced To Hear Her Own Tweets At Hearing" :ha:

Being forced to listen to one's own tweets? The horror. The horror.
 
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