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Wannaplan? said:
Okay, now I know you are being sarcastic.



You do realize there is a vast swath of U.S. citizens who don't think Trump did anything wrong? You do realize with this existential reality any effort to address alleged wrongdoing by Trump will be met with swift resistance? As such, you do realize any attempt to prosecute the alleged wrongdoings needs to be supported with essentially irrefutable evidence and strong public support? If you are unaware of such realities, I encourage you to go on to Twitter and seek pro-MAGA tweeters. You will learn so much if you do that! :cool:
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Not really. We frequently see the people who are always behind on their city utility bills buying things like junk food/alcohol and cigarettes.

I realize it to a great degree. I enjoy small town living; 4 blocks from my office, close to the grocery store, post office, ATM. Quiet most of the time. However there are F Biden flags not far from me. I often wonder why I bother to try and help the town. Why do I put in effort for those people?
 
Wannaplan? said:
You do realize there is a vast swath of U.S. citizens who don't think Trump did anything wrong? You do realize with this existential reality any effort to address alleged wrongdoing by Trump will be met with swift resistance? As such, you do realize any attempt to prosecute the alleged wrongdoings needs to be supported with essentially irrefutable evidence and strong public support? If you are unaware of such realities, I encourage you to go on to Twitter and seek pro-MAGA tweeters. You will learn so much if you do that! :cool:
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I realize that there are some that completely fit that description. A guy that I worked with when I was on the dark side is like that. He supports what happened on the 6th and calls Pence a RINO.

However, I also know of a whole bunch more who support Trump and still acknowledge that he pushed it too far on the 6th. Some of these people are my family back up north. However they support Trump because they truly believe that he is about less regulation and not continuing the status-quo that has been representative of both parties for the past 50 years.

That is why I personally believe that if someone can run as a centrist, that is outside of your typical DC politics, I think they would be able to win in an epic landslide. Problem is the two party system with the primaries promote the extremist candidates in the primary, and then we are left choosing from those two, or voting 3rd party knowing they don't have a chance.
 
More information coming out about the church shooting I mentioned. It's really odd. The victims were 75, 84, and 84 years old. The shooter was 72 years old. They were attending a "Boomers Potluck".
 
The AZ governor's race is heating up. Jim Lamon seems to be losing so he's starting the attack ads against his own primary contenders. He has resorted to call Blake Masters, who has Trump's support, the worst thing ever. Not the white supremist that he is. He went bigger. He attacked him on being a liberal, pro-choice, and open border person. To be honest, knowing Blake it sounds like he's more libertarian than liberal, but whatever.
 
58% of Americans think that Trump should be tried for crimes associated with January 6th. I don't know the accuracy of this poll, but I am seriously worried that somehow, Trump will be the nominee and if Biden is on the ticket, he might actually get elected.

Which poses two questions:
  • Do you think Biden will, or should run for President again?
  • Do you think that Trump could actually win a second term?
 
michaelskis said:
58% of Americans think that Trump should be tried for crimes associated with January 6th. I don't know the accuracy of this poll, but I am seriously worried that somehow, Trump will be the nominee and if Biden is on the ticket, he might actually get elected.

Which poses two questions:
  • Do you think Biden will, or should run for President again?
  • Do you think that Trump could actually win a second term?
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Unfortunately yes.
Unfortunately yes.
 
michaelskis said:
58% of Americans think that Trump should be tried for crimes associated with January 6th. I don't know the accuracy of this poll, but I am seriously worried that somehow, Trump will be the nominee and if Biden is on the ticket, he might actually get elected.

Which poses two questions:
  • Do you think Biden will, or should run for President again?
  • Do you think that Trump could actually win a second term?
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Yes to both. Not because I think a majority or even significant number like Trump, but because I think we're going to see an absolutely epic voter suppression apparatus coupled with folks not being super excited about Biden. Personally, I'm filled with dread because the fact that we'll have two octogenarians duking it out for what was once the beacon of optimism, opportunity and innovation as a country is a true statement of how far this country has fallen.

I really want to know where Merrick Garland is in all of this. He is citizen Trump now, and we have seen a rather epic list of high crimes laid out. My toddler could prosecute the case for seditious conspiracy at this point as long as I kept her adequately supplied with snacks.

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I find the high gas prices funny. Every person I see complaining is driving some F-250 or some such nonsense, that has never used said heavy duty vehicle for its intended purpose. I drive a Pathfinder with a 6,000 lb. towing capacity and a small trailer I use when I need it to be my "truck bed." 26-27 mpg highway is my normal. We're so close to stuff in the city that it doesn't even blip my radar--I only notice when I travel for work.

But the real inflation conversation needs to include a good hard look at profits by percentage of revenue for corporations. A substantial portion of this inflation is simple greed--a slow motion price gouge. There's been so much consolidation that the market can't correct that through competition.
 
The Texas GOP Convention

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States,"
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thehill.com

Texas GOP approves measure declaring Biden ‘was not legitimately elected’

The Texas Republican Party adopted a new platform declaring that the 2020 election violated the Constitution and President Biden “was not legitimately elected.” The Texas GOP adopted the 40-page pl…
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Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum
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Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum

The Texas GOP's platform calls for a referendum so Texans can vote on "whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation."
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JNA said:
The Texas GOP Convention


thehill.com

Texas GOP approves measure declaring Biden ‘was not legitimately elected’

The Texas Republican Party adopted a new platform declaring that the 2020 election violated the Constitution and President Biden “was not legitimately elected.” The Texas GOP adopted the 40-page pl…
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Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum
www.newsweek.com

Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum

The Texas GOP's platform calls for a referendum so Texans can vote on "whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation."
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Does their resolution even matter?
 
 
Salmissra said:
^^No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/ (No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth)

Current Supreme Court precedent, in Texas v. White, holds that the states cannot secede from the union by an act of the state. More recently, in 2006, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated, "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede."
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Not arguing with you, but it brings up an interesting question...

If they secede from the US, does the laws of and regulations of the US still pertain to them? I think of it like the "No Gun" stickers on doors. The only people who are going to follow those rules are the people who don't intend to do harm to others with a gun.
 
michaelskis said:
Not arguing with you, but it brings up an interesting question...

If they secede from the US, does the laws of and regulations of the US still pertain to them? I think of it like the "No Gun" stickers on doors. The only people who are going to follow those rules are the people who don't intend to do harm to others with a gun.
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Sal's references show there is no legal way for TX to secede...so the laws still pertain to them regardless of whether they agree with the law(s).
 
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mendelman said:
Sal's references show there is no legal way for TX to secede...so the laws still pertain to them regardless of whether they agree with the law(s).
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So it is exactly like the gun sticker. It only works if everyone follows the rule. It's not about agreeing with it, it is about following it and not taking formal actions that are contrary with it.
 
michaelskis said:
So it is exactly like the gun sticker. It only works if everyone follows the rule. It's not about agreeing with it, it is about following it and not taking formal actions that are contrary with it.
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Yes...but also...what?!
 
mendelman said:
Yes...but also...what?!
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Exactly!

Just because there are rules against it does not mean that people won't try!





To shift gears, President Biden fell during a bike ride and some on the extreme right are flipping out about it. Correct me if I am wrong, (and I am sure you will), but most of the presidents over the past 50+ years have done something similar, if not the exact same. The one exception to that might be Trump, because I don't think he rode a bike or really took his health all that seriously. Overall, I don't see what the big deal is since he didn't get hurt.
 
tRump did a slip & slide @ West Point but blamed it on a steep ramp. He had a phobia about stuff like that.

He also released a video of his golfball hitting Biden in the head to make him fall - owning the Libs - hahaha :omg:
 
michaelskis said:
To shift gears, President Biden fell during a bike ride and some on the extreme right are flipping out about it. Correct me if I am wrong, (and I am sure you will), but most of the presidents over the past 50+ years have done something similar, if not the exact same. The one exception to that might be Trump, because I don't think he rode a bike or really took his health all that seriously. Overall, I don't see what the big deal is since he didn't get hurt.
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The video showed me two things: 1) Biden seemed pretty good on a bike, especially for his age (my parents who are younger could not ride like that) and 2) Reaffirms why I don't like the shoe gates on pedals.
 
^^ Just in case Twitter does not open for yous ^^
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People screaming about Biden:

1) What specific policy of Bidens, has made things worse?

2) What do Republicans offer? They can't make oil prices go down.
 
GOP Senate candidate tells voters to get ‘RINO hunting permits’ in campaign ad
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GOP Senate candidate tells voters to get ‘RINO hunting permits’ in campaign ad

GOP Senate candidate Eric Greitens released a wild ad calling on primary voters to order a “RINO hunting permit” in an attack on Republicans known for breaking with former President Donald Trump. …
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A Missouri Senate candidate holds a shotgun and calls for 'RINO hunting' in a new ad
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A Missouri Senate candidate holds a shotgun and calls for 'RINO hunting' in a new ad

A new ad from Eric Greitens, the controversial Republican running for Missouri's U.S. Senate seat, has left him accused of glorifying political violence.
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Video
 
Wannaplan? said:
This Twitter thread seems relevant, all those claims that Biden didn't legitimately win falls apart if you aren't willing to concede that other contests on the ballot are suspect:

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I agree in concept, but I would be curious on which republicans of the 147 who voted to overturn the election were actually on the same ballot and their district lost to Biden. In that case, yea, I think it completely applies, but I would venture to guess that it is around 20% to 30%.

I personally know several people who voted split ticket with a vote for Biden because they were that disappointed with Trump. However, I don't think the GOP is willing to accept that. Which further frustrates the crap out to me in that the continue with the binary mindset.
 
michaelskis said:
which republicans of the 147 who voted to overturn the election were actually on the same ballot
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You have heard people running for office in 2022 say that Biden fraudulently won in 2020? Yet none of them take that to the logical conclusion that there then were a number of downballot candidates that must of have been incorrectly elected. Like the alleged misconduct of Detroit election workers processing and counting ballots at the TCF Center?
 
Wannaplan? said:
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You have heard people running for office in 2022 say that Biden fraudulently won in 2020? Yet none of them take that to the logical conclusion that there then were a number of downballot candidates that must of have been incorrectly elected. Like the alleged misconduct of Detroit election workers processing and counting ballots at the TCF Center?
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Well, the people still making these false claims quickly turned the narrative into 'the system rigging was only designed to affect Trump votes, not everyone else down ballot."

They use this trick to get around the question of downballot candidates' legitimacy.

It's all hogwash, idiocy and base preaching, but they continue because their narrative works within their tribe....and that's all that matters.
 
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Wannaplan? said:
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You have heard people running for office in 2022 say that Biden fraudulently won in 2020? Yet none of them take that to the logical conclusion that there then were a number of downballot candidates that must of have been incorrectly elected. Like the alleged misconduct of Detroit election workers processing and counting ballots at the TCF Center?
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No... those who ran in 2020. 147 total GOP claim that Biden stole the election. Not all of them were up for election in 2020, but I am sure some of them were. In some of those cases, they won, and Biden won. In other cases Trump won. I am just curious what the data says.
 
kjel said:
Will there be a recession? Likely. Will it be as deep and painful as what happened in 2008? Probably not.

My prediction? Housing prices will cool off a little, borrowing will contract, and there will be some overall market corrections across the board. Inflation will come down gradually, but unevenly. Traditional economic wisdom calls for the Fed to raise rates when the economy is roaring to keep it from overheating. Trump's MO was for the Fed to keep rates artificially low for longer than they needed to be which effectively manipulated the economy. The Fed should get a black eye for that. When you have a real recession and the economy needs liquidity and the Fed rate is near zero there's not a lot of wiggle room.

Mortgage lending has changed substantially after the meltdown so subprime won't happen in the same way that it did before.
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I'm not so sure that home prices are going to cool off as much as a lot of people are hoping/thinking they will. We've had an inventory shortage in many markets, especially at the lower end of the cost-spectrum, since we came out of the Great Recession, a lot of potential buyers are still flush with cash or have significant amounts built up for down payments, and even if interest rates rise a couple full percentage points, we'll still be before the Great Recession.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
What is the Republican cure for inflation? I am still waiting to hear that.
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What is the Republican answer to anything? I don't have a problem with the GOP, I have a problem with people who complain and don't even try to create solutions. Can't seem to find answers in their official platform. Just a lot of ideas with minimal answers. I'm sure the Dem's platform is similar. No wait, it has a little more depth to their answers. Also, it was much easier to find the D platform than the R. D you just go to the bottom of the page and there's a link. The R's buried it a little behind click this and that, but really not hard to find.
 
DVD said:
What is the Republican answer to anything? I don't have a problem with the GOP, I have a problem with people who complain and don't even try to create solutions. Can't seem to find answers in their official platform. Just a lot of ideas with minimal answers. I'm sure the Dem's platform is similar. No wait, it has a little more depth to their answers. Also, it was much easier to find the D platform than the R. D you just go to the bottom of the page and there's a link. The R's buried it a little behind click this and that, but really not hard to find.
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Well, this group that leans mostly conservative/ibertarian and has this as an answer... from 1973...

How to Stop Inflation

Take from government the power to create money and hand out special privileges.
fee.org fee.org

It is essentially do away with the fiat money system, stop printing money at stupid rates to support those who are too big to fail and eliminate unsustainable subsidies.

What are your thoughts on this approach? Personally, I think that if they flipped the switch and did this, the us financial market would collapse. However, I wonder what is worse, letting it happen now, or it happening on a greater scale at some point in the future because we keep kicking the can down the road.
 
WSU MUP Student said:
I'm not so sure that home prices are going to cool off as much as a lot of people are hoping/thinking they will. We've had an inventory shortage in many markets, especially at the lower end of the cost-spectrum, since we came out of the Great Recession, a lot of potential buyers are still flush with cash or have significant amounts built up for down payments, and even if interest rates rise a couple full percentage points, we'll still be before the Great Recession.
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I don't think there will be a huge devaluation like there was in the Great Recession. The lack of housing supply pretty much ensures that sales prices won't crater. There have been issues with property under appraising in our market over the last six months
 
michaelskis said:
Well, this group that leans mostly conservative/ibertarian and has this as an answer... from 1973...

How to Stop Inflation

Take from government the power to create money and hand out special privileges.
fee.org fee.org

It is essentially do away with the fiat money system, stop printing money at stupid rates to support those who are too big to fail and eliminate unsustainable subsidies.

What are your thoughts on this approach? Personally, I think that if they flipped the switch and did this, the us financial market would collapse. However, I wonder what is worse, letting it happen now, or it happening on a greater scale at some point in the future because we keep kicking the can down the road.
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Basically that is arguing for the gold standard again. I can agree on subsidies. I am fine not giving renewables any IF oil and gas don't get any either.

Outside a a few articles and think tanks, no elected Republicans I know are pushing this.

In fact they dont have any answers besides "Just give us power". They seek power for its own sake,
 
Hawkeye66 said:
Basically that is arguing for the gold standard again.
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Literally not possible given the immense size and breadth of the US economy alone.

Fiat currency is necessary to have the 'value' that most of us enjoy.

Also, Gold is effectively fiat as well, since it's 'value' is also a purely human construct.

If we went back on a precious metal standard, we'd experience epic deflation that would be almost infinitely worse than the inflation we're experiencing right now.
 
mendelman said:
Literally not possible given the immense size and breadth of the US economy alone.

Fiat currency is necessary to have the 'value' that most of us enjoy.

Also, Gold is effectively fiat as well, since it's 'value' is also a purely human construct.

If we went back on a precious metal standard, we'd experience epic deflation that would be almost infinitely worse than the inflation we're experiencing right now.
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Near constant liquidity traps. It would be a fisasco. Look at boom bust cycles of the late 19th Century up to the Great Depression.

In the Trump lovin town I am in, the people with the F Biden flags have no context and don't really think it out. They dont even think about policy or consider voting on economic self interest anymore.
 
mendelman said:
Literally not possible given the immense size and breadth of the US economy alone.

Fiat currency is necessary to have the 'value' that most of us enjoy.

Also, Gold is effectively fiat as well, since it's 'value' is also a purely human construct.

If we went back on the Gold Standard, we'd experience epic deflation that would be almost infinitely worse than the inflation we're experiencing right now.
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I agree that it would be bad on epic proportions. But the only way to really fix the problem is to actually fix the problem and not the symptoms.

As for the gold standard, yea, if you take it far enough, everything is a form of Fiat currency in that value is only what one is willing to pay for it. That is part of what got us into this mess in the first place. After Enron had their whole issue with potash some years ago, congress created "Mark to Market" which changed value from what one says it is to what one is willing to pay for it. Then one day Fannie May and Freddie Mac tossed bundles of subprime mortgages onto the market saying that they were with X, but no banks picked them up, and the value of them crashed sending ripples through the entire market leading to the recession in 2008.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't have a good answer. Personally, we are focusing on particular things to prepare for a rainy day because the forecast looks like some storms are on the way. It starts with spending less, so when it does crash, we can invest more.
 
michaelskis said:
Well, this group that leans mostly conservative/ibertarian and has this as an answer... from 1973...

How to Stop Inflation

Take from government the power to create money and hand out special privileges.
fee.org fee.org

It is essentially do away with the fiat money system, stop printing money at stupid rates to support those who are too big to fail and eliminate unsustainable subsidies.

What are your thoughts on this approach? Personally, I think that if they flipped the switch and did this, the us financial market would collapse. However, I wonder what is worse, letting it happen now, or it happening on a greater scale at some point in the future because we keep kicking the can down the road.
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I think this is garbage.

1st, this guy is a failed businessman with seemingly little education in economics so that makes my opinion just as valuable as his. FYI, my opinion is crap. Oh, but he has great libertarian ideas! I love certain libertarian ideas of freedom, but let's all go back a read about the towns that failed that others posted. Pure theory just doesn't work.

2nd, he definitely has an agenda. Sorry, but something as massive as an county's economy doesn't like to follow your agenda.

3rd, where is the pier review. Goes back to my crap opinion is just as good as his. I say a magic rock will kill inflation. Any buyers?

Personally, I think inflation is caused by the rich get richer. If you and I want to make a trade we can trade for sheep and women or a cash equivalent. Okay, maybe not women. It's all the super rich stock broker people buying and selling companies just to split them and resell them for parts and other things I don't understand that causes the value of a dollar to change. So if we just use my magic rock and kill the rich we might end inflation and get back to items being worth what the seller deems them to be worth. Great example, cable companies jacking up the rates for more profit. not because their costs went up, but because they wanted 100% over cost as profit instead of a reasonable percent. Maybe limit profiteering by companies to help control inflation.

When it comes to bailing out companies, I'm not really for that. I understand that killing GM would have caused massive job loss and deepen the recession, but it's a free market. GM failed and should have been forced to downsize. I just don't know how to help the millions of people out of work. Maybe they could go to reeducation camps and learn something more modern that would be helpful, but that's easy to say when I'm sitting in a nice cozy job. Then again, I had to reinvent myself to get this job because the drafting jobs I used to do kept getting me laid off.
 
DVD said:
I think this is garbage.

1st, this guy is a failed businessman with seemingly little education in economics so that makes my opinion just as valuable as his. FYI, my opinion is crap. Oh, but he has great libertarian ideas! I love certain libertarian ideas of freedom, but let's all go back a read about the towns that failed that others posted. Pure theory just doesn't work.

2nd, he definitely has an agenda. Sorry, but something as massive as an county's economy doesn't like to follow your agenda.

3rd, where is the pier review. Goes back to my crap opinion is just as good as his. I say a magic rock will kill inflation. Any buyers?

Personally, I think inflation is caused by the rich get richer. If you and I want to make a trade we can trade for sheep and women or a cash equivalent. Okay, maybe not women. It's all the super rich stock broker people buying and selling companies just to split them and resell them for parts and other things I don't understand that causes the value of a dollar to change. So if we just use my magic rock and kill the rich we might end inflation and get back to items being worth what the seller deems them to be worth. Great example, cable companies jacking up the rates for more profit. not because their costs went up, but because they wanted 100% over cost as profit instead of a reasonable percent. Maybe limit profiteering by companies to help control inflation.

When it comes to bailing out companies, I'm not really for that. I understand that killing GM would have caused massive job loss and deepen the recession, but it's a free market. GM failed and should have been forced to downsize. I just don't know how to help the millions of people out of work. Maybe they could go to reeducation camps and learn something more modern that would be helpful, but that's easy to say when I'm sitting in a nice cozy job. Then again, I had to reinvent myself to get this job because the drafting jobs I used to do kept getting me laid off.
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Just curious on what you would do to fix the problem instead of treat the symptoms. Outside of Attacking his character, what specifically about the content do you not agree with. I agree it would cause a total collapse of the economy today, and I don't know what the effect would have been when he first proposed in the 1970's.
 
I had plenty of macro-economics. The classic tradeoff is inflation-unemployment.

In my mind we are having huge wage inflation because the price point for labor is climbing because we have a shortage. We talked about this coming shortage for years at conferences, etc. Then COVID hit and a lot of people simply retired or dropped out of the work force. Now we have shortages in nearly every profession and that puts inflationary pressure on wages. Throw in a war in Ukraine and the costs to oil and you have what we have now.

The solution is monetary; Interest rate spikes. Similar to the early 80's. Until things are more in equilibrium again.

I am afraid Biden is doomed and the Republicans offer nothing. Its not good.
 
michaelskis said:
Just curious on what you would do to fix the problem instead of treat the symptoms. Outside of Attacking his character, what specifically about the content do you not agree with. I agree it would cause a total collapse of the economy today, and I don't know what the effect would have been when he first proposed in the 1970's.
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His character is the problem. He's not an economist, he's a libertarian that thinks he can fix the economy. So to me his opinion on how to do it is as valuable as Gwyneth Paltrow telling me about all natural herbs to heal belly fat. Why should I take the time to read his opinion? It's worse when someone takes an uninformed opinion from years gone by and applies it to today's crisis with no context for how things have changed globally. It may have been an answer back then, what do I know, but it's not an answer today. Doing a quick google education on inflation - I said I know nothing - control of money can have an affect, but there are many other factors like wage controls, fiscal policy, supply and demand, etc. I don't think his argument really takes it all into account. Otherwise we would have controlled inflation back in the '70s and he would have a Nobel prize. I kind of agree with Hawkeye about the supply and demand of labor mixed with wage controls. I also have to agree Biden is screwed. Inflation is too complex a problem to just fix in a year or two. Raising interest rates has historically helped. Maybe a wage control or a profit control? I'm not sure exactly how it works, but it looks like reduced consumption helps. So how do we decrease the demand on Amazon for foreign crap while getting them properly staffed so there is no labor shortage? Sorry, the whole thing is just way over my head.
 
I was surprised that SCOTUS ruled the way they did regarding concealed carry laws, but when you dig into the reasoning and details, I could absolutely see why they ruled the way they did. As I noted, I had issues years ago when I applied for a concealed carry license because of political reasons. I was able to get my permit, but it took 3 times longer than what the state laws said. Another person who was in my class and applied at the same time as me complained about it and the Sherriff at the time said that they could challenge it, but it would be held up even longer while it goes to court as it would be seen as a conflict with law enforcement. The provision that SCOTUS struck down could very easily be used for political purposes, and appears it had been.

This ruling was based on an appeal in NY where a person needed to do a lot more than indicate that they wished to have a pistol license for personal protection. In digging deeper, some of the people who were denied had copies of police reports showing increased crime in their neighborhood, one person had been mugged, and another worked in an area where there had been a lot of car jackings. But in all three cases they were denied due to lack of supporting evidence.

The ruling does not take away a State's ability to put forth laws and regulations requiring training and classes, it just strikes down the need to provide justification beyond indicating that it is for personal protection.
 
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