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In looking up our locals for the primaries, I have no idea what their platform is. The state people, in particular, that are leading simply refer to being a Republican and that liberals have destroyed California, and city requirements have made housing too expensive. The solutions? Can't tell from their websites or social media.
 
Planit said:
& here's an interesting article from Florida of all places. Republicans passed 'guns laws' after Parkland Shooting.
www.cnn.com

Florida's red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people

Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
Now they're not sure.
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YES! This is how these laws should work regardless of what the NRA says. It sounds like there is a procedure and standards that the judge follows when making these determinations and that its not politically motivated.
 
In some lighter political news: I'm getting a lot of joy out of the on-going saga of some Republicans being kept off the primary ballot for Governor here in Michigan because they all submitted thousands of fraudulent signatures in their nominating petitions.

The latest: James Craig loses bid to appear on primary ballot after Michigan court denies appeal

Apparently, they all hired the same firm to circulate the petitions and it was so bad that at some point the circulators were literally likely sitting at a table together making up pages and pages worth of fake voter information and "circulating" the petitions around the table to each other.

I'm hoping the state Supreme Court upholds the lower court rulings, but we'll see. IIRC, they have until tomorrow to issue a ruling because that's the deadline for the state to begin printing ballots?
 
WSU MUP Student said:
In some lighter political news: I'm getting a lot of joy out of the on-going saga of some Republicans being kept off the primary ballot for Governor here in Michigan because they all submitted thousands of fraudulent signatures in their nominating petitions.

The latest: James Craig loses bid to appear on primary ballot after Michigan court denies appeal

Apparently, they all hired the same firm to circulate the petitions and it was so bad that at some point the circulators were literally likely sitting at a table together making up pages and pages worth of fake voter information and "circulating" the petitions around the table to each other.

I'm hoping the state Supreme Court upholds the lower court rulings, but we'll see. IIRC, they have until tomorrow to issue a ruling because that's the deadline for the state to begin printing ballots?
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I heard this story last weekend when we were in MI. The details you're providing is even crazier.

Who does election fraud again?

;)
 
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DVD said:
From the article, sheriff as "highest constitutional office of their county" is a dog whistle to some selected I can't even call them right wing, but more anti gubmint groups.

I keep thinking that this crap flies in politics today and poor Howard Dean gets his campaign trashed over an over excited yell.
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I have often wondered how things might be different if Dean's campaign hadn't imploded.

Big Owl said:
That's a good question. The 1994 assault weapon ban defined it as a semi-automatic rifle able to accept detachable magazines which had two or more of the following:
  • Folding or telescoping stock
  • pistol grip
  • bayonet mount
  • flash hider or threaded barrel designed to hold one
  • grenade launcher
During the ban, one would not have been able to purchase the weapon like the one that the Uvalde shooter used but they would have been able to purchased a "hunting" rifle like a Rugar mini-14 that is functionally the same weapon, in the sense that it shot the same ammo, could have had the same capacity, and was semi-automatic, so it could have shot at the same rate. The biggest difference in the two is cosmetic. From what I read in the past, the 1994 ban did not significantly impact crime rates; so it was considered largely ineffective by most accounts.
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I think the key is the detachable magazine part. This alone is what makes these rifles so damn deadly. The other elephant in the room is that with the 1994 ban, pre ban weapons were allowed. Since the ban expired, there are close to 20 million of these weapons in circulation. Any new ban would likely include the same "grandfathering" provisions, which renders the ban nearly worthless, even more so than in 1994.
 
As the UK celebrates the Queen's 70 years on the throne this week, I'm reminded that she never finished high school, is extremely wealthy, and married her cousin. Statistically, she'd probably be a Trump supporter if she voted here.
 
estromberg said:
I think the key is the detachable magazine part. This alone is what makes these rifles so damn deadly. The other elephant in the room is that with the 1994 ban, pre ban weapons were allowed. Since the ban expired, there are close to 20 million of these weapons in circulation. Any new ban would likely include the same "grandfathering" provisions, which renders the ban nearly worthless, even more so than in 1994.
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There are several very popular shot guns for bird hunting that have 3 round detachable magazines.
 
michaelskis said:
There are several very popular shot guns for bird hunting that have 3 round detachable magazines.
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I thought that there were some shotguns like this and some other rifles with 5-10 shot magazines. So maybe not an outright ban on removable magazines, but rather ones over a certain number of shots, say 10? Similar to handguns?

Seems like this would be workable and reasonable. However, unlike the 1994 ban, there could be no grandfathering of pre ban magazines or it is largely pointless.
 
Lots of mass shootings this week. Guy who killed doctors in Tulsa, wanted to get back at a Doctor for surgery that was performed on him. He bought a gun the day he decided he was going to kill people...

I am beyond confused why we think having guns is more important than people's lives. Why we can't go TOO far regulating them, and then if we actually find the world worse because we banned lots of guns, we ease the restrictions.

Please don't say we can't because we already did it with the assault weapons ban that wasn't reupped. We can do it. We just won't do it, because the R's are bought and sold by people who seem to think guns are more important than people's lives.

I am just continually confused by such hatred, scared for our kids and future, and just sad. Such senseless loss of life.
 
estromberg said:
I thought that there were some shotguns like this and some other rifles with 5-10 shot magazines. So maybe not an outright ban on removable magazines, but rather ones over a certain number of shots, say 10? Similar to handguns?

Seems like this would be workable and reasonable. However, unlike the 1994 ban, there could be no grandfathering of pre ban magazines or it is largely pointless.
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I don't think this is unreasonable to limit to 10, but why 10? There are a lot of of the handguns come with a stock 15 round magazine, such as the Glock 19.

The other element of this is I don't think people will turn in magazines capable of a capacity more than 10. As we know from Zoning regulations, an unenforceable regulation is a bad regulation.

As I mentioned before, I truly believe that there is reasonable middle ground that could get approved by both sides, but until both sides are willing to step away from the extremist options, I don't foresee movement on this topic.
 
I think back to my time in the military. We were given two 5 round clips. They could hold 15, but we only loaded 5. I understand this made the springs in the clip last longer, less chance of jamming, and if you can't stop it in 5 rounds you shouldn't be carrying that gun. If you're talking rifles, where in hunting will you get more than 1 shot? Duck maybe a couple shots. Deer I think you would be lucky to get that 2nd shot and to me it takes the sport out of it. If you can't get it in one shot maybe you should go vegan.
 
Hink said:
Lots of mass shootings this week. Guy who killed doctors in Tulsa, wanted to get back at a Doctor for surgery that was performed on him. He bought a gun the day he decided he was going to kill people...

I am beyond confused why we think having guns is more important than people's lives. Why we can't go TOO far regulating them, and then if we actually find the world worse because we banned lots of guns, we ease the restrictions.

Please don't say we can't because we already did it with the assault weapons ban that wasn't reupped. We can do it. We just won't do it, because the R's are bought and sold by people who seem to think guns are more important than people's lives.

I am just continually confused by such hatred, scared for our kids and future, and just sad. Such senseless loss of life.
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Unfortunately, nothing will be done at all just because of the sheer number of gun toting-MAGAs alone. It has to be in the 10s of millions. Think about that. Even if just 10% are unhinged (and believe me it's a lot more than that) that makes over a million willing to shoot, maim and kill at any moment.

I truly think we are beyond the point of any kind of return to "normal" And by normal, I mean 2019. It will only be anarchy and complete civic breakdown in the months and years ahead. And it will be far worse if the GOP regains control of the house and senate and any present attempts at sensible gun control will be completely obliterated.

But don't blame the Pandemic for all this. These people were monsters before the Pandemic, and they are monsters now. As I have said many times, the Pandemic has merely been a cover for their unspeakable acts of horror. They didn't just snap. This had been premeditated for decades. The virus has just served to amplify that unfounded anger and rage.

They were always willing to create chaos and mayhem and will be ready to kill and maim by the millions if called upon by Trump and the GOP.
 
I am not a gun owner and will never be one. I am a realist and understand that 2A will likely never go away. I live in a state with some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and I think it interesting how these laws work in real time. My future son-in-law was an active duty Marine for 8 years and worked armed security for a few years when he got out. As such, he owns a Glock 9mm. The state requires anyone wishing to purchase a handgun to apply for a purchase permit through their local police department or the state police. This process includes a background check, reference checks, and fingerprinting prior to the purchase permit being issued. I was one of his references when he was applying for his purchase permit and generally had to attest to his moral character and if he had any issues that would preclude him from owning a gun. The permit also is required in order to purchase ammunition and only allow for one firearm to be purchased in any 30 day window.

Recently he moved in with my daughter so he's in the process of updating and transferring his address on vehicle registration, drivers license, insurance, etc. He hadn't gotten around to updating the address on his firearm permit but thought he'd go to the shooting range for some practice. So he went to the range and wanted to purchase some ammo and they said we can't sell to you today because the address on your permit does not match the address on your license. He called me and told me he needed to update his permit and would I be a reference again. I said sure and I received an emailed questionnaire asking the following:

Has the applicant been convicted of a crime or disorderly person's offense?
Is the applicant a habitual drunkard or alcoholic?
Does the applicant use illegal narcotics or addicted to prescription medication?
Does the applicant suffer any physical defect or illness which would make it unsafe to handle firearms?
Has the applicant been confined to a mental institution or been treated for a mental defect?
Does the applicant suffer from any mental condition which would make it unsafe to handle firearms?
Has the applicant ever been involved in a domestic incident?
Has the applicant ever been a member of any organization which advocates the overthrow of the US Government or the State?
How many years have you known the applicant?
Is there any reason you would NOT endorse the applicant to be issued a firearms card and/or permit?
 
Over the weekend, I heard several people on the news mention the Economy, both in a local context and a national context. I live/work in the fastest growing area of the state, and in the county. The demand for housing is off the charts as the supply is building as fast as they possibly can, but still can't keep up with current demand. However, one PBS reporter had made the comment that based on key indicators, things might not be good this year and we could even see issues as soon as this fall, which would have serious implications on the elections. They noted that if the economy does decline, it will hurt the chances of the democrats to retain the house or gain control of the senate.

Based on several articles, including this one, interest rates will continue to clime, which is not it's self a bad thing, but when you combine it with the costs of food and energy, and a decrease in spending, it is recipe for disaster. It is almost as if people are preparing of the economic storm ahead.


Wait... who cares what Cardi B has to say on the Economy?
fortune.com

Cardi B is feeling the recession gloom | Fortune

Maybe the famous rapper will tune into the big GDP announcement on the second quarter that will tell us whether a recession is officially under way.
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But the more important question as it pertains to this conversation, is this:
How much does the economy play into who you choose to vote for? Do you believe that most people will think the same way about this topic as you do? Do you believe that either of the parties actually have the ability or desire to really make a positive long term impact on the economy?
 
If Citizen's United were overturned and politicians had the gift law I and other local officials in Iowa work under (Nothing over $2.99), then we would have a lot better government. Talking about issues is really kind of pointless when you have a government owned by special interests.
 
No, because the economy is a reaction to things that were in place prior to a "crisis" and global elements out of our control.
I try not to guess what other people are thinking, I prefer for them to say out loud, then we can have a discussion.
No. The present issue at hand only so they can get the vote.
 
michaelskis said:
Over the weekend, I heard several people on the news mention the Economy, both in a local context and a national context. I live/work in the fastest growing area of the state, and in the county. The demand for housing is off the charts as the supply is building as fast as they possibly can, but still can't keep up with current demand. However, one PBS reporter had made the comment that based on key indicators, things might not be good this year and we could even see issues as soon as this fall, which would have serious implications on the elections. They noted that if the economy does decline, it will hurt the chances of the democrats to retain the house or gain control of the senate.

Based on several articles, including this one, interest rates will continue to clime, which is not it's self a bad thing, but when you combine it with the costs of food and energy, and a decrease in spending, it is recipe for disaster. It is almost as if people are preparing of the economic storm ahead.


Wait... who cares what Cardi B has to say on the Economy?
fortune.com

Cardi B is feeling the recession gloom | Fortune

Maybe the famous rapper will tune into the big GDP announcement on the second quarter that will tell us whether a recession is officially under way.
fortune.com fortune.com


But the more important question as it pertains to this conversation, is this:
How much does the economy play into who you choose to vote for? Do you believe that most people will think the same way about this topic as you do? Do you believe that either of the parties actually have the ability or desire to really make a positive long term impact on the economy?
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Housing production tanked after the Great Recession and is only now reaching around the same levels in the midst of a global pandemic which has disrupted supply chains and labor markets. Low interest fuels borrowing which in turn drives prices upward in addition to the scarcity factor. The prior administration bullied the Fed to keep rates artificially low for too long. Conventional economics calls for interest rates to increase when the economy is solid to keep it from overheating. Complicating this was all the federal money pumped out both to individuals and to industry and government.

I happened to pull the Consumer Price Index report today to price an affordable resale unit for an appraiser. In the first four months of 2022 the CPI is up 8.05%. In 2021 it started out at 1.4% and then took off in April 2021; the first half of 2021 saw 3.4% increase and the second half saw 6.0% increase. April 2022 was 8.3% and the last time it was that high was January 1982 as it was coming down from the fiscally disastrous 1970s. https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/great-inflation (The Great Inflation)

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kjel said:
I am not a gun owner and will never be one. I am a realist and understand that 2A will likely never go away. I live in a state with some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and I think it interesting how these laws work in real time. My future son-in-law was an active duty Marine for 8 years and worked armed security for a few years when he got out. As such, he owns a Glock 9mm. The state requires anyone wishing to purchase a handgun to apply for a purchase permit through their local police department or the state police. This process includes a background check, reference checks, and fingerprinting prior to the purchase permit being issued. I was one of his references when he was applying for his purchase permit and generally had to attest to his moral character and if he had any issues that would preclude him from owning a gun. The permit also is required in order to purchase ammunition and only allow for one firearm to be purchased in any 30 day window.

Recently he moved in with my daughter so he's in the process of updating and transferring his address on vehicle registration, drivers license, insurance, etc. He hadn't gotten around to updating the address on his firearm permit but thought he'd go to the shooting range for some practice. So he went to the range and wanted to purchase some ammo and they said we can't sell to you today because the address on your permit does not match the address on your license. He called me and told me he needed to update his permit and would I be a reference again. I said sure and I received an emailed questionnaire asking the following:

Has the applicant been convicted of a crime or disorderly person's offense?
Is the applicant a habitual drunkard or alcoholic?
Does the applicant use illegal narcotics or addicted to prescription medication?
Does the applicant suffer any physical defect or illness which would make it unsafe to handle firearms?
Has the applicant been confined to a mental institution or been treated for a mental defect?
Does the applicant suffer from any mental condition which would make it unsafe to handle firearms?
Has the applicant ever been involved in a domestic incident?
Has the applicant ever been a member of any organization which advocates the overthrow of the US Government or the State?
How many years have you known the applicant?
Is there any reason you would NOT endorse the applicant to be issued a firearms card and/or permit?
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In my state, which has one of the highest per capita gun homicide rates, the state legislature just removed the need for a permit for concealed carry. Almost every law enforcement officer went to the state capital and said it was a bad idea to remove the permit. But because sheriffs might try to prevent a law abiding citizen from having a concealed weapon, it had to go. To my knowledge there weren't any stories from people who had been denied a concealed carry permit.

This state will eventually restrict private businesses, public areas, and churches from prohibiting guns. I think most local government buildings are required to allow guns outside of public meetings, courts, and schools.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
In my state, which has one of the highest per capita gun homicide rates, the state legislature just removed the need for a permit for concealed carry. Almost every law enforcement officer went to the state capital and said it was a bad idea to remove the permit. But because sheriffs might try to prevent a law abiding citizen from having a concealed weapon, it had to go. To my knowledge there weren't any stories from people who had been denied a concealed carry permit.

This state will eventually restrict private businesses, public areas, and churches from prohibiting guns. I think most local government buildings are required to allow guns outside of public meetings, courts, and schools.
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Concealed carry is very rare in NJ, a person would need to demonstrate a "justifiable need", be approved by the local police department or state police, complete a firearms training course equivalent to that which police undergo, pass an exam regarding use of force, and then appear in court for final approval for a concealed carry permit which must renewed every two years. Basically unless you work in law enforcement, armed security detail, or have credible and documented threats against you....you aren't getting a CCP. There is no reciprocity from other states either.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
In my state, which has one of the highest per capita gun homicide rates, the state legislature just removed the need for a permit for concealed carry. Almost every law enforcement officer went to the state capital and said it was a bad idea to remove the permit. But because sheriffs might try to prevent a law abiding citizen from having a concealed weapon, it had to go. To my knowledge there weren't any stories from people who had been denied a concealed carry permit.
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The Sheriff of the county that I lived in Michigan tried this while I was trying to get mine. It wasn't for just me, but all the applications. The State AG have a 'conversation' with him and they all got approved. He claimed the delay was on staffing.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
In my state, which has one of the highest per capita gun homicide rates, the state legislature just removed the need for a permit for concealed carry. Almost every law enforcement officer went to the state capital and said it was a bad idea to remove the permit. But because sheriffs might try to prevent a law abiding citizen from having a concealed weapon, it had to go. To my knowledge there weren't any stories from people who had been denied a concealed carry permit.

This state will eventually restrict private businesses, public areas, and churches from prohibiting guns. I think most local government buildings are required to allow guns outside of public meetings, courts, and schools.
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Kansas passed a law when I was there to allow guns in government buildings unless you could provide all kinds of expensive metal detector and security at every entrance and exit to the building. Except the state capitol of course. Wouldn't do to have guns there.
 
Normally, I am opposed to celebrities using their status for political reasons, but I think that Mathew McConauhey's comments were reasonable and sensible regarding gun control. I think the left is going to flip out and say they don't go far enough and the right is going to flip out and say they go too far.
 
www.foxnews.com

Kid Rock leaves open possibility of running for office

Musician Kid Rock suggests he would consider running for political office in the future during an interview featured in Fox Nation's 'Tucker Carlson Originals.'
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My first thought was there is no way in hell that Kid Rock could get elected. But then I realized that Trump beat the matriarch of a pollical powerhouse family for President. What about you. Do you think that Kid Rock could get elected to Congress or as Governor of MI, TN, or FL?
 
michaelskis said:
www.foxnews.com

Kid Rock leaves open possibility of running for office

Musician Kid Rock suggests he would consider running for political office in the future during an interview featured in Fox Nation's 'Tucker Carlson Originals.'
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

My first thought was there is no way in hell that Kid Rock could get elected. But then I realized that Trump beat the matriarch of a pollical powerhouse family for President. What about you. Do you think that Kid Rock could get elected to Congress or as Governor of MI, TN, or FL?
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Didn't a former professional wrestler become governor of Minnesota?
 
Former Admiral Mike Franken wins Iowa Senate Democratic Primary and will take on 88 year old fossil...err Senator Chuck Grassley in the Fall. A bit of a surprise as he defeated former Rep Abby Finkenauer. He probably has a better chance at knocking off Grassley in Iowa.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
Former Admiral Mike Franken wins Iowa Senate Democratic Primary and will take on 88 year old fossil...err Senator Chuck Grassley in the Fall. A bit of a surprise as he defeated former Rep Abby Finkenauer. He probably has a better chance at knocking off Grassley in Iowa.
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Interesting.
 
I read all of these out of state elected names and I can't remember if he's the guy who said racist crap, the guy who likes orgies, the guy who said some inappropriate thing about guns or abortion, or one of the few I actually like.

I say guy just because odds are it's just another old white guy and they all get confused into one big blob. The ladies I can half remember. There's the crazy one from Georgia. The crazy one from Illinois. The crazy one from Maine. The crazy one from New York...
 
Bubba said:
You gotta come a little more specific than that, bro.
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I always feel like Georgia is people from Florida who got some crazy idea to get elected up there because they aren't crazy enough to get elected in their home state and of course that one actual Georgian shaking his fist at Florida. It's kind of like Arizona where our carpet baggers are either crazy Californians or crazy Midwesterners who migrated down after ruining their state.
 
I read though the gun bill that was approved by the House, and while I think most of it is in a good direction, I do believe they could have done better with a few provisions.

If the age to posses some of the guns is raised to 21, then the storage law provision should reflect those provisions as well, and not just make access to 18. The other part that I think is weak is the statement "in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure." I don't think that is good enough. It should specify that the firearm would be unobtainable by an unauthorized individual. Most reasonable people would assume that a hidden drawer in a nightstand would be secure, but reality is it is still accessible to someone unless it is locked with either a combination, key, or biometric device.

Even the 15 round maximum seems reasonable to me. While I don't know if it matters, I have contacted my Senators, both republican, and encouraged them to vote to approve the bill.
 
So crime is a big issue again huh? Maybe we should be asking ourselves why this is such a problem when we already throw more people in jail than China. Just a thought.
 
FBI arrests Michigan gubernatorial candidate on charges related to involvement in January 6 riot
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FBI arrests Michigan gubernatorial candidate on charges related to involvement in January 6 riot

GOP Michigan gubernatorial candidate Ryan Kelley was arrested Thursday morning on misdemeanor charges related to his involvement in the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, according to the Justice Department.
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His previous experience of office was on his local township’s planning commission.
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FBI arrests Ryan Kelley, GOP candidate for Michigan governor, for his role in Capitol riot

Ryan Kelley, a Republican candidate for governor in Michigan, was arrested Thursday morning for his role in participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
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JNA said:
FBI arrests Michigan gubernatorial candidate on charges related to involvement in January 6 riot
www.cnn.com

FBI arrests Michigan gubernatorial candidate on charges related to involvement in January 6 riot

GOP Michigan gubernatorial candidate Ryan Kelley was arrested Thursday morning on misdemeanor charges related to his involvement in the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, according to the Justice Department.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

His previous experience of office was on his local township’s planning commission.
news.yahoo.com

FBI arrests Ryan Kelley, GOP candidate for Michigan governor, for his role in Capitol riot

Ryan Kelley, a Republican candidate for governor in Michigan, was arrested Thursday morning for his role in participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
 
One of the comments noted that the World will be Watching. I think they are correct.

www.woodtv.com

GRPD officer to be arraigned on murder charge in Lyoya shooting today

The officer who shot and killed Patrick Lyoya during a traffic stop in Grand Rapids is expected to be arraigned in court Friday.
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I am still friends with a couple of the officers up there, and when I talked with one of them last month, they said that this is an extremely volatile situation pending the outcome of the investigation. Now that we know, I don't think it will get any better. I also believe that this will further set the direction regarding use of force by police officers when people refuse to follow directions and resist arrest.
 
michaelskis said:
Why do you hate America with such a statement?
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I don't hate America. I hate seditionists, traitors, and terrorists which are the categories that all these monsters fall into. I can't believe the light sentences that many of these insidious rioters have received so far. They should have been sent to prison, never to see the light of day again. Instead, many of them are getting house arrest and even probation. Disgusting.

As for Trump being reelected in 2024, it actually won't even take that long for any and all investigations into the January 6th Sedition to go away. All the GOP has to do is regain control of the House and Senate, which unless the Democrats can turn things around, will be only 6 months away.

The GOP is merely playing beat the clock. They are foot dragging and stonewalling until November. If they get in, it all goes away.

I have brought this up before with you on this to no avail. On January 6th actually. I stand by my earlier statements that the terrorists on January 6th are much worse than those on 9/11 based on the sheer numbers of MAGAs that will be incited to commit violence once Trump gives the word. We are talking millions. I don't think we will ever find out the extent that he was involved (especially if this all goes away in November) but I know that Trump is completely culpable for all the atrocities that were committed that day. I know he gave the order to shoot, maim and kill.

Few realize how close we came to these seditionists committing mass murder at the Capital and how it could all happen again if these monsters aren't put down.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. It is getting tedious.
 
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Biden nixes Trump design for Air Force One over cost, delay
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Biden nixes Trump design for Air Force One over cost, delay

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Biden’s administration has scrapped former President Trump’s red, white and blue design for the new generation of presidential aircraft after an Air Force re…
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Engineering over vanity

The Trump paint scheme is not being considered because it could drive additional engineering, time and cost, according to an administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss the program.

Politico first reported that the Air Force study of the new paint job had concluded that the dark shade of blue Trump proposed for the plane’s underbelly and engines would have created heating issues for the aircraft, requiring costly redesigns and additional delays to the already behind-schedule program.
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michaelskis said:
I also believe that this will further set the direction regarding use of force by police officers when people refuse to follow directions and resist arrest.
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Maybe it's the racial component, but it seems pretty easy for me to empathize with the officer and not with the person who was pulled over. That's not to say I think the officer is guilty or innocent, but that I can picture myself in the officer's situation, but not in the other person's. (If a cop pulls me over, up to the point that what he tells me is not legal, I'm going to comply.)

EDIT: I posted the above just after the viewing the video. Subsequently they discussed de-escalation. Not being familiar with the policies regarding de-escalation and when to just let a suspect go, I'm a little less in the cop's corner.
 
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