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Hmmm rational compromise on reasonable gun regulation and mental health funding has bipartisan support instead of pushing an unrealistic ban guns approach… [sarcasm] Who knew… [/Sarcasm]

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Bipartisan group of senators announce agreement on gun control

A bipartisan group of senators announced an agreement on principle for gun safety legislation Sunday, which includes "needed mental health resources, improves school safety and support for students, and helps ensure dangerous criminals and those who are adjudicated as mentally ill can't purchase...
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michaelskis said:
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Kid Rock leaves open possibility of running for office

Musician Kid Rock suggests he would consider running for political office in the future during an interview featured in Fox Nation's 'Tucker Carlson Originals.'
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My first thought was there is no way in hell that Kid Rock could get elected. But then I realized that Trump beat the matriarch of a pollical powerhouse family for President. What about you. Do you think that Kid Rock could get elected to Congress or as Governor of MI, TN, or FL?
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In what world is Hillary the matriarch of a political powerhouse family?

The Clinton's are patriarchal, for starters. Bill is the electable one and ran the show. She supported his ambition, but the universal health care effort torpedoed her for consideration as the "leader" of a political family. To make clear: she is definitely the smart one in that relationship, but Bill's instincts were light years ahead of her. Even then, his instincts only get so far given that Bill is, at a minimum, problematic. They are hardly a powerhouse. If they were, the Democrats would not have ceded territory in the Rio Grande Valley. Al Gore would've comfortably beat Shrub in 2000. And Chelsea is really a non-player, sticking to the NGO role with the Clinton Foundation focused on health advocacy. There is no inkling of her following footsteps.

Barbara Bush is a legit matriarch. I think nearly all of her offspring are in politics. The Shrub twins are actually the anomaly in finding the exit from politics.

Leaders of political dynasties typically find their basis as strong retail campaigners, not wonky work. Especially when they aren't the ones actually holding office. Barbara Bush was the epitome of this--always more popular than her husband, sons, etc.
 
michaelskis said:
That is how CNN, MSNBC, and CBS referred to her when everyone thought she was going to beat Trump.

Are you saying it was Fake News?
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Get out with your "fake news" nonsense. Save that for your next trip to a sad Trump rally or some other pathetic political event in which the only topic is whining about others versus defining what the group/person stands for. It might be that they were incorrect or sensationalizing (something that CNN, MSNBC and Fox all do--OAN is a whole different category of bullshit), but this "fake news" trope is pathetic on everyone that wears it. It is lazy and shows unwillingness to engage in critical thinking when something challenges your perspective. I never once heard a real analyst refer to her that way, by the way. By real analyst, I mean folks like Stuart Rothenburg (sp?), Peggy Noonan, Charlie Cook, Michael Duffy, Ron Brownstein, etc. If you're considering talking heads like Rachel Maddow, virtually the entire Fox News 'anchors', etc., then I don't know what to tell you other than go look for primary sourcing.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
Get out with your "fake news" nonsense. Save that for your next trip to a sad Trump rally or some other pathetic political event in which the only topic is whining about others versus defining what the group/person stands for. It might be that they were incorrect or sensationalizing (something that CNN, MSNBC and Fox all do--OAN is a whole different category of bullshit), but this "fake news" trope is pathetic on everyone that wears it. It is lazy and shows unwillingness to engage in critical thinking when something challenges your perspective. I never once heard a real analyst refer to her that way, by the way. By real analyst, I mean folks like Stuart Rothenburg (sp?), Peggy Noonan, Charlie Cook, Michael Duffy, Ron Brownstein, etc. If you're considering talking heads like Rachel Maddow, virtually the entire Fox News 'anchors', etc., then I don't know what to tell you other than go look for primary sourcing.
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What makes you think I support Trump? Laziness is assuming that I support him being that I don't support Hillary either.

BTW... here is a CNN Example.
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Kennedys, Bushes and... Dingells? American political dynasties | CNN Politics

The Kennedys, Bushes and Clintons aren't the only political dynasties in U.S. politics.
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michaelskis said:
What makes you think I support Trump? Laziness is assuming that I support him being that I don't support Hillary either.

BTW... here is a CNN Example.
www.cnn.com

Kennedys, Bushes and... Dingells? American political dynasties | CNN Politics

The Kennedys, Bushes and Clintons aren't the only political dynasties in U.S. politics.
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Fluff piece from 2014 and really stretching to describe political dynasties. The better description used in the piece is "political families" which was also used in the article's URL.
 
Trump's response to the Jan. 6th Committee is hilarious. Not funny haha, but funny sad.

Waste 14 minutes of your life here - https://thehill.com/news/administration/3522080-trump-releases-12-page-response-to-jan-6-hearing/ (Trump releases 12-page response to Jan. 6 hearing)

CNN did a play by play on the funniest parts here - https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/politics/donald-trump-statement-january-6-committee/index.html (Analysis: The 22 wildest lines from Donald Trump's 12(!)-page statement on the January 6 committee)

Just put in a top age limit already so we don't have to have these elderly men fight for importance. They had their time. Let us all move on. Please.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
Get out with your "fake news" nonsense. Save that for your next trip to a sad Trump rally or some other pathetic political event in which the only topic is whining about others versus defining what the group/person stands for.
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Mskis, while presumably politically to the right of you on some topics, has never struck me as a Trumpist. Besides, aren't you a mod? Maybe try being a little more even-handed. Just sayin'. :r:
 
Bubba said:
Mskis, while presumably politically to the right of you on some topics, has never struck me as a Trumpist. Besides, aren't you a mod? Maybe try being a little more even-handed. Just sayin'. :r:
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This happens quite a bit as some people are unwilling to think outside of the binary political system. I have never voted for Trump and never will. I just find it hilarious that the overwhelming majority were positive that Hillary was going to win by a massive landslide and mocked Trump for it. There are a billion reasons to mock Trump, but he did beat Hillary.

To shift gears....

Today the federal reserve will be meeting to likely raise interest rates as much as .75% in an attempt to curb inflation. This would be the biggest increase since 1994 and is expected to have substantial effects on mortgage interest rates and borrowing as a whole. Something needs to be done, but I don't have a good solution to this issue as federal spending continues to spiral out of control (regardless of who is in office), the gap between the mega wealthy and the rest of society continues to increase at record rates, fuel and food prices continue to go up, and the value of the dollar continues to go down.

The question that I have for you is do you think that this will cause another economic downturn or possibly even a recession? What should, or even could, be done to address this issue?
 
If you look at the official definition of "recession" then yes we're going to have one. But I don't think it's going to be 2008 level stuff. I don't have a lot of answers though. I'm no economist and quite frankly they all disagree anyway.
 
michaelskis said:
There are a billion reasons to mock Trump, but he did beat Hillary.

To shift gears....

Today the federal reserve will be meeting to likely raise interest rates as much as .75% in an attempt to curb inflation. This would be the biggest increase since 1994 and is expected to have substantial effects on mortgage interest rates and borrowing as a whole. Something needs to be done, but I don't have a good solution to this issue as federal spending continues to spiral out of control (regardless of who is in office), the gap between the mega wealthy and the rest of society continues to increase at record rates, fuel and food prices continue to go up, and the value of the dollar continues to go down.

The question that I have for you is do you think that this will cause another economic downturn or possibly even a recession? What should, or even could, be done to address this issue?
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The electoral college beat Hillary, not tRump (I'm not a fan of either one). Same goes with a couple other elections in the past.

Shifting gears...

In 1994, the feds raised interest rates. What happened after that? Think back to the mid-late 90s. By the end of Bill's 2 terms, the deficit had been erased, the economy was running well, blah, blah...For any of us that worked in local government back then, development was big, things were going well.

I am NOT saying it was Bill that did it all. What I'm saying is there are only pieces we are hearing in the news today. People have a very short memory of history (because we keep repeating it somehow). Look at the whole and not the piece.
 
Planit said:
The electoral college beat Hillary, not tRump (I'm not a fan of either one). Same goes with a couple other elections in the past.
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How does President Hillary Clinton feel about it? Oh wait...

I agree that I don't like the current structure of winner take all for most of the states for the Electoral College. I firmly believe that we need to do away with gerrymandering of congressional districts, and each district becomes one electoral college vote and the popular electorate for each state gets the 2 senate votes.

Planit said:
In 1994, the feds raised interest rates. What happened after that? Think back to the mid-late 90s. By the end of Bill's 2 terms, the deficit had been erased, the economy was running well, blah, blah...For any of us that worked in local government back then, development was big, things were going well.

I am NOT saying it was Bill that did it all. What I'm saying is there are only pieces we are hearing in the news today. People have a very short memory of history (because we keep repeating it somehow). Look at the whole and not the piece.
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I am not saying that they shouldn't raise interest rates. As I mentioned, I don't have a good suggestion. But in 1995 Freddie Mac started receiving bundles of affordable housing credits for buying subprime mortgages. In 2004 HUD pushed for them to do more. These two actions artfully boosted the residential lending market and is one of (but not the only) factor that led to the 08 recession.
 
Planit said:
If this is true, well its more of the same hypocrisy that seems to be all too common place.
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There's that, but this kind of 'dirt digging' is only going to distract from the objectively hard discussion about privacy and rights.

I honestly think its in bad taste (at a minimum) that someone dug for this because it's a distraction from the real discussion about human/medical personal privacy rights and their potential loss.
 
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Most people I know that become pro-life after having an abortion are willing to tell you that's why. This is more likely a politician that doesn't want to look bad. Although I do have to agree with Mendleman that digging up dirt doesn't help much. It's not going to get her out of office. It's not going to change the minds of people who vote for her. At least not in today's world of politics. So she was scum before she became a politician and she's a scummy politician now. Nothing changes. It also just adds fuel to the argument that Dems and the media are just trying to tear down our great political leaders.
 
I'm just going to generally complain about some things I saw yesterday and in today's paper.

Yesterday I saw a sign for some guy running for state rep and it had the usual points of conservative, 2nd amendment, blah, blah, but "fight Biden"? You're a state rep, not federal. Maybe fight for our state. Do things for the state. Your job is not to fight the president, but to make something happen for my state. It's like all the politicians have taken the all politics are local adage to far. Our former attorney general - now running for governor - always like doing border control projects. Not your job, your job is to file lawsuits against the people who signed and filed false documents to the feds using the Arizona State seal. Actual crime and you ignored it like police ignoring a drowning homeless man (recent event here).

My other complaint...the local reps are trying to ban children from going to drag shows. I have so many problems with this. First, what I would normally think of as a drag show is no place for children. Who brings their children to these things. I do understand there are tame shows and sure, if my kids wanted to go to that I would let them. I tell me kids to look at drag queen videos for make up tips. My bigger problem, you - state rep - complain non stop about gas prices, border problems, and so many other big problems and decide that drag queens are the problem you need to solve. Get the F@$# back to work!

Sorry, done ranting about what happens everywhere.
 
DVD said:
I'm just going to generally complain about some things I saw yesterday and in today's paper.

Yesterday I saw a sign for some guy running for state rep and it had the usual points of conservative, 2nd amendment, blah, blah, but "fight Biden"? You're a state rep, not federal. Maybe fight for our state. Do things for the state. Your job is not to fight the president, but to make something happen for my state. It's like all the politicians have taken the all politics are local adage to far. Our former attorney general - now running for governor - always like doing border control projects. Not your job, your job is to file lawsuits against the people who signed and filed false documents to the feds using the Arizona State seal. Actual crime and you ignored it like police ignoring a drowning homeless man (recent event here).

My other complaint...the local reps are trying to ban children from going to drag shows. I have so many problems with this. First, what I would normally think of as a drag show is no place for children. Who brings their children to these things. I do understand there are tame shows and sure, if my kids wanted to go to that I would let them. I tell me kids to look at drag queen videos for make up tips. My bigger problem, you - state rep - complain non stop about gas prices, border problems, and so many other big problems and decide that drag queens are the problem you need to solve. Get the F@$# back to work!

Sorry, done ranting about what happens everywhere.
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It amazes me how coordinated the GOP's talking points are state to state.
 
Will there be a recession? Likely. Will it be as deep and painful as what happened in 2008? Probably not.

My prediction? Housing prices will cool off a little, borrowing will contract, and there will be some overall market corrections across the board. Inflation will come down gradually, but unevenly. Traditional economic wisdom calls for the Fed to raise rates when the economy is roaring to keep it from overheating. Trump's MO was for the Fed to keep rates artificially low for longer than they needed to be which effectively manipulated the economy. The Fed should get a black eye for that. When you have a real recession and the economy needs liquidity and the Fed rate is near zero there's not a lot of wiggle room.

Mortgage lending has changed substantially after the meltdown so subprime won't happen in the same way that it did before.
 
giff57 said:
It amazes me how coordinated the GOP's talking points are state to state.
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I do hate that. Taylor your message to your state. I'm in Arizona. The border is an actual problem. If you don't like immigrants I don't recommend Arizona. At the same time, I'm not seeing all this immigrant crime they're talking about.

When I lived in Kansas the border was the biggest thing they talked about. All those scary immigrants coming to the middle of nowhere to commit crime. What they don't remember is we kept WWII German prisoners in Kansas (my county actually) with very little security. They pretty much showed them a map of the US and said you are here. Where are you going to go?

I guess what I'm saying is actually do the work. In Arizona we need to handle or help with the border. In Kansas, it's not your damn problem. Go back to arguing about lesser and greater prairie chickens.
 
Bubba said:
Mskis, while presumably politically to the right of you on some topics, has never struck me as a Trumpist. Besides, aren't you a mod? Maybe try being a little more even-handed. Just sayin'. :r:
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That's exactly why I said it. He is parroting something without realizing it. Not only does he not strike me as a Trumpist, I have some real world awareness and feel comfortable saying unequivocally that he is not a Trumpist. BUT "fake news" is a trope of a group that I'm pretty sure M'skis doesn't really want to associate with--he is smarter than that. We've had our rounds on here in the past about news sources (he & I tend to agree, in my experience). I'm really just surprised to see Fox News talking points out of him, especially considering Fox News is the leading creator of fake news. MSNBC does some as well especially towards sensationalizing, but Fox News teaches the Masterclass. Personally, I don't use any cable news providers and don't use network national news.

I'm plenty even-handed, but that does not remove my ability to interact as a regular person and doesn't even sniff at being a personal attack. Also, as a reminder, this neverending political thread was invented precisely as a more gloves-off space. It takes a lot to get someone yellow carded in this thread and even more to earn a red card. I mean like half this thread is baiting, in which M'skis is an active contributor. Mods are held accountable here--we have suspended one another, including recently and involving this thread. They are welcome to do that to me anytime.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
That's exactly why I said it. He is parroting something without realizing it. Not only does he not strike me as a Trumpist, I have some real world awareness and feel comfortable saying unequivocally that he is not a Trumpist. BUT "fake news" is a trope of a group that I'm pretty sure M'skis doesn't really want to associate with--he is smarter than that. We've had our rounds on here in the past about news sources (he & I tend to agree, in my experience). I'm really just surprised to see Fox News talking points out of him, especially considering Fox News is the leading creator of fake news. MSNBC does some as well especially towards sensationalizing, but Fox News teaches the Masterclass. Personally, I don't use any cable news providers and don't use network national news.

I'm plenty even-handed, but that does not remove my ability to interact as a regular person and doesn't even sniff at being a personal attack. Also, as a reminder, this neverending political thread was invented precisely as a more gloves-off space. It takes a lot to get someone yellow carded in this thread and even more to earn a red card. I mean like half this thread is baiting, in which M'skis is an active contributor. Mods are held accountable here--we have suspended one another, including recently and involving this thread. They are welcome to do that to me anytime.
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Fair enough.

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As someone who grew up in the 70's during stagflation and periods of real inflation that went on years, this gnashing of teeth is nauseating.

"Oh this will hit the poor". Well I see the poor buying their kids crap food at Casey's all the time, which if they had used in a grocery store would have gone much further. Then the people crying about gas driving giant pickups and SUV's. Where is the party of personal responsibility? Doesn't that apply here?
 
Hawkeye66 said:
. Then the people crying about gas driving giant pickups and SUV's. Where is the party of personal responsibility? Doesn't that apply here?
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Yeah, that's the one thing good about high gas prices. It's going to hit those drivers of big SUVS and pick-ups hard. These drivers - as a rule - are generally more aggressive than drivers of other classes of vehicles. They tailgate you when they are behind and then they drive passive-aggressively by driving slow when they are ahead. It is IMPOSSIBLE to see around these vehicles, especially those pickups that have the bumped out fenders and double rear wheels. The drivers, at least the ones that I see everyday, all look exactly the same. 80% of the time the drivers look like MAGAs and probably are. This is not an exaggeration.

Most of these drivers fit into a certain category. They really don't use these vehicles as a work truck, it's all for show. These drivers are the very definition of "toxic masculinity" and they are disgusting.

Of course, not every pick-up driver is this way. Every once in a while I will see a truck that purrs like a kitten. But that's less than 10% of the time. For sure, this class of vehicle has more than it's fair share of assholes and their trucks are noisy and gutteral, especially that overpowered diesel engine.

And not to single out pickups, I HATE big SUVs. I have never seen a driver of a GMC Yukon, Chevy Tahoe or Cadillac Escalade not drive like an aggressive jerk.
 
The DOW has closed below $30,000 for the first time since January, 2021. (Why does that seem so long ago now?)

How low do you think it will go? I think things are going to get a lot worse before they (ever) get better. I don't think 25,000 is out of the question.

On the bright side, if you would have invested in Index Funds in 2009, would would still be ahead by almost 5X your investment if you pull out now.

I haven't contributed to my 401K in terms of stocks since January, 2020. Every time I think about moving back into the market, it either goes up too much that I know it's going to tank, or it actually does tank. It seems that the smartest investors put a lot of their money in stocks in March of 2020 and had the foresight to pull out by January, 2022. I think people just got too greedy, especially once it hit 35K. Perhaps they were under the illusion that it was going to hit 40K.

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Super Amputee Cat said:
I haven't contributed to my 401K in terms of stocks since January, 2020. Every time I think about moving back into the market, it either goes up too much that I know it's going to tank, or it actually does tank. It seems that the smartest investors put a lot of their money in stocks in March of 2020 and had the foresight to pull out by January, 2022. I think people just got too greedy, especially once it hit 35K. Perhaps they were under the illusion that it was going to hit 40K.
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Market downturns are usually the times when savvy investors go on buying sprees. Lots of bargains to be had. Just need to anticipate longer term which companies are built on solid foundations, have good leadership, and a market for growth potential in the future.
 
There was a shooting at a church in a very nice suburb of Birmingham last night. Only two people killed, so I don't know that it will make much more than local news. What shocks me, is that people keep saying "I never imagined something like this could happen here." Maybe I'm jaded, but how can anyone think a shooting can't happen anywhere in the US, at anytime, at this point.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
There was a shooting at a church in a very nice suburb of Birmingham last night. Only two people killed, so I don't know that it will make much more than local news. What shocks me, is that people keep saying "I never imagined something like this could happen here." Maybe I'm jaded, but how can anyone think a shooting can't happen anywhere in the US, at anytime, at this point.
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It made the news here, but they said that they were not releasing any information about the shooter which I thought was strange.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
As someone who grew up in the 70's during stagflation and periods of real inflation that went on years, this gnashing of teeth is nauseating.
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I grew up during that period. I vividly recall my dad being laid off many times up through to the mid-1980s. I sympathize with those that are dealing with the hard choices that fast inflation brings upon everyday families. I recall one period where my dad turned the heat off in the house and brought in his Coleman camping heaters to heat the house using the oil he had already in storage with the camping gear. Inflation ain't kind.

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Yeah, that's the one thing good about high gas prices. It's going to hit those drivers of big SUVS and pick-ups hard.
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No.

It's hitting everybody hard. Inflation doesn't discriminate. Imagine paying $50 a week for gas, something you have regularly budgeted for. And now you have to pay $80. To make up for that $30, something's gotta give. That Dodge Stratus is still chugging along because you've done everything right, and now the vengenace of "free markets" comes crashing down.
 
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It's hitting everybody hard. Inflation doesn't discriminate. Imagine paying $50 a week for gas, something you have regularly budgeted for. And now you have to pay $80. To make up for that $30, something's gotta give. That Dodge Stratus is still chugging along because you've done everything right, and now the vengenace of "free markets" comes crashing down.
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It hits them harder because of their own choices in that case. The same people also eat gas station food a lot.
 
I keep coming back to this question: What was driving Trump to a coup d'etat (technically an autogolpe) to remain President for a second term? Was the grift so profitable he couldn't stand the thought of giving it up? Was he just so vain that he couldn't stand the thought of Ruffles and Flourishes/Hail to the Chief no longer playing when he entered a room? Something else?

My mind tends to go to darker places when it comes to Trump. I think the January 6 committee is doing excellent work so that his ilk never see the Oval Office ever again.
 
Gedunker said:
I keep coming back to this question: What was driving Trump to a coup d'etat (technically an autogolpe) to remain President for a second term? Was the grift so profitable he couldn't stand the thought of giving it up? Was he just so vain that he couldn't stand the thought of Ruffles and Flourishes/Hail to the Chief no longer playing when he entered a room? Something else?

My mind tends to go to darker places when it comes to Trump. I think the January 6 committee is doing excellent work so that his ilk never see the Oval Office ever again.
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Two words... ego and power. That is was the motivation. More so, I don't think he would have stopped after 2 terms.

Personally, given what happened and more and more evidence coming out, I am starting to wonder why Trump isn't being charged with Treason.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
It hits them harder because of their own choices in that case. The same people also eat gas station food a lot.
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I bought a big SUV with bad gas mileage because we were planning on growing the family and my brother-in-law is a car salesman and gave us a good deal. I knew I shouldn't have done it then. In 3 years we've put roughly 12,000 miles on it. Luckily I can afford to pay the "stupid tax" on my choice of convenience.

I'm sure there are other people who are getting hammered by inflation/gouging with less choice and less money.
 
I don't understand this whole notion that fossil fuel use is somehow patriotic.

If anything the war, etc. has shown why being dependent on oil in our economy is a bad thing. We need to get off it, period. I realize you cant make it happen overnight, but we should have a framework for a transition. Certainly, as individuals we can do it to a much greater degree. I bought a house 4 blocks from the office. I drive a hybrid. I use a reel mower.

Quit playing defense here.
 
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Two words... ego and power. That is was the motivation. More so, I don't think he would have stopped after 2 terms.

Personally, given what happened and more and more evidence coming out, I am starting to wonder why Trump isn't being charged with Treason.
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Three words...you forgot GREED.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
I don't understand this whole notion that fossil fuel use is somehow patriotic.

If anything the war, etc. has shown why being dependent on oil in our economy is a bad thing. We need to get off it, period. I realize you cant make it happen overnight, but we should have a framework for a transition. Certainly, as individuals we can do it to a much greater degree. I bought a house 4 blocks from the office. I drive a hybrid. I use a reel mower.

Quit playing defense here.
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I wasn't really disagreeing with you. We should have been moving away from them since the 1970's. We should have higher CAFE standards, better alternative infrastructure, transit, and investment into alternative fuels. Individuals can make some changes and hopefully we'll continue to see more purchases of bikes, fuel efficient cars, hybrids, and electric. But the big push is going to take a lot more and I don't see it happening with our current dysfunctional governments. We still need massive investment into transit. I don't know of a city in the south, outside of Atlanta that has a functional transit system. The last time I checked the map passenger rail has one line through the middle of Alabama, clips Mississippi, and pretty much ignores Tennessee and Kentucky.

In this part of the country, you got to have a car to really participate in society. While there are fuel efficient options (unless you need a truck), most of the hybrids and evs are not completely affordable yet. I imagine used car dealers may start to see an increase in low mpg vehicles.

I've been trying to push our city to at least start looking at some evs for fleet vehicles. We own a power company, don't drive more than 300 miles a day, and there's plenty of recharge time. I think its starting to get a little traction, but fleet maintenance is totally against it.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
I wasn't really disagreeing with you. We should have been moving away from them since the 1970's. We should have higher CAFE standards, better alternative infrastructure, transit, and investment into alternative fuels. Individuals can make some changes and hopefully we'll continue to see more purchases of bikes, fuel efficient cars, hybrids, and electric. But the big push is going to take a lot more and I don't see it happening with our current dysfunctional governments. We still need massive investment into transit. I don't know of a city in the south, outside of Atlanta that has a functional transit system. The last time I checked the map passenger rail has one line through the middle of Alabama, clips Mississippi, and pretty much ignores Tennessee and Kentucky.

In this part of the country, you got to have a car to really participate in society. While there are fuel efficient options (unless you need a truck), most of the hybrids and evs are not completely affordable yet. I imagine used car dealers may start to see an increase in low mpg vehicles.

I've been trying to push our city to at least start looking at some evs for fleet vehicles. We own a power company, don't drive more than 300 miles a day, and there's plenty of recharge time. I think its starting to get a little traction, but fleet maintenance is totally against it.
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I wasn't really directing that at you. Its the prevailing attitude among many where I live in the Midwest.

A Prius is not an expensive car and basically all Toyota models now offer that technology. We have a lot of people here with big pickups with literally no practical use for them. In fact many keep the bed covered.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
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Okay, now I know you are being sarcastic.

michaelskis said:
I am starting to wonder why Trump isn't being charged with Treason.
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You do realize there is a vast swath of U.S. citizens who don't think Trump did anything wrong? You do realize with this existential reality any effort to address alleged wrongdoing by Trump will be met with swift resistance? As such, you do realize any attempt to prosecute the alleged wrongdoings needs to be supported with essentially irrefutable evidence and strong public support? If you are unaware of such realities, I encourage you to go on to Twitter and seek pro-MAGA tweeters. You will learn so much if you do that! :cool:
 
Wannaplan? said:
You do realize there is a vast swath of U.S. citizens who don't think Trump did anything wrong? You do realize with this existential reality any effort to address alleged wrongdoing by Trump will be met with swift resistance? As such, you do realize any attempt to prosecute the alleged wrongdoings needs to be supported with essentially irrefutable evidence and strong public support? If you are unaware of such realities, I encourage you to go on to Twitter and seek pro-MAGA tweeters. You will learn so much if you do that! :cool:
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I think a lot of people actually do think Trump did a lot of wrong things including Jan. 6. For them though, the thought of more Democrats in power and especially more liberal judges is more unacceptable.
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
I think a lot of people actually do think Trump did a lot of wrong things including Jan. 6. For them though, the thought of more Democrats in power and especially more liberal judges is more unacceptable.
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AKA: Because of my tribal thinking, I will accept actual crimes and criminals, because....oh my god....
 
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