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It has to be a balance. Having representation is important because that's what leads to making sure that actions are fair and just for everyone. You have to be intentional to move in that direction. But people also need to be qualified to do the jobs they're appointed to doing.
 
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Thoughts on unity...

I think it needs to go beyond opening doors to those who were previously disenfranchised and focus on finding the best people to fill these positions. For example Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. Wonderful surgeon and phenomenally intelligent person. But he was not even close to being the most qualified for that position.

I also think that the person should live what they preach too. I would not want a commerce secretary that has failed economic track record or a 300lb chain smoking health and human services secretary. There is no trust in do as I say, not as I do.

I agree whole heartedly that for unity to happen, there needs to be compromise that goes beyond party ideology. I agree that the GOP did their best to just block everything that Obama put forth for a while, however there was a 2 year period that the Democrats had control of the House, Senate, and White House, so the issues from that can't be blamed on the GOP. They had a massive swing in power with the midterms because of issues. Having said that, I think that the GOP will oppose way too many things just because they come from the opposing party.

I do applaud the President in several of his executive orders, but I don't believe that revoking the Keystone Pipeline is a good idea unless he backs it with policies to really make alternative energy more affordable to the public. I would love to see the US go green. But for those who are struggling now to pay energy costs, the switch to other forms becomes unrealistic.
 
I love the armchair presidenting the news shows are doing now. What Joe really needs to do now is spin in circles and flap his arms. That would make people relate to him or whatever. Like Joe is watching this stuff thinking, yeah, that's a good idea.
 
I love the armchair presidenting the news shows are doing now. What Joe really needs to do now is spin in circles and flap his arms. That would make people relate to him or whatever. Like Joe is watching this stuff thinking, yeah, that's a good idea.
Still waiting on my miniature american flag and/or abortion.
 
Anyone wanting to see a most striking contrast in attitudes between administrations should spend 10 minutes on YouTube watching Biden's zoom speech yesterday to his new appointees, where he says he'd fire anyone on the spot if they're disrespectful to others.
 

Right around 50 seconds

I bring up the Swamp Castle frequently when dealing with wetland setbacks- but nobody is as old as me anymore/thinks I'm funny.

On landscaping standards, somehow we do get traction with referring to shrub specs as "something nice, but not too expensive."
 
I bring up the Swamp Castle frequently when dealing with wetland setbacks- but nobody is as old as me anymore/thinks I'm funny.

On landscaping standards, somehow we do get traction with referring to shrub specs as "something nice, but not too expensive."
Lots of this back and forth?:

....When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest castle in these islands.

As for age...I'm the boss and still 10 years younger than the next youngest staff in my dept and I am the only one with underage children. Therefore, lots of my mid/late-20th century pop culture jokes still land well around these parts.

:D
 
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Lots of this back and forth?:

....When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest castle in these islands.

As for age...I'm the boss and still 10 years younger than the next youngest staff in my dept and the only one with underage children. Lots of my mid/late-20th century pop culture jokes still land well around these parts.

:D
..and in TDR we can talk about the "huge tracts of land" in the sending zone!

To bring it back to politics, has anybody ever experienced a sea change like this? Will we see $ flow down to local communities via MPOs? Are we too low on the food chain to feel anything at all, or is is bike lanes for everybody and transit upgrades b/c Mayor Pete?
 
..and in TDR we can talk about the "huge tracts of land" in the sending zone!

To bring it back to politics, has anybody ever experienced a sea change like this? Will we see $ flow down to local communities via MPOs? Are we too low on the food chain to feel anything at all, or is is bike lanes for everybody and transit upgrades b/c Mayor Pete?
Do your MPOs get money to allocate to transportation projects currently? We're a small MPO, but our budget is really just for planning purposes. In VA, though, cities are independent jurisdictions from counties, and with just a few exceptions, our state DOTs maintain all roads in the counties, not the localities (cities maintain their own roads, but they're a very small portion of the road system overall).

So I'm not sure how Mayor Pete's suggestions would end up impacting a state like ours.
 
Do your MPOs get money to allocate to transportation projects currently? We're a small MPO, but our budget is really just for planning purposes. In VA, though, cities are independent jurisdictions from counties, and with just a few exceptions, our state DOTs maintain all roads in the counties, not the localities (cities maintain their own roads, but they're a very small portion of the road system overall).

So I'm not sure how Mayor Pete's suggestions would end up impacting a state like ours.
That is a little how it is here. The Cities and State own roads, counties do not. Counties relinquished road ownership during the great depression. State takes care of their roads on their schedule, but if you want to do something different, speed up the process, or make substantial changes, you seek funding from the MPO for fund out of pocket. Problem is the State DOT is broke. Our MPO does a decent job making sure there is fair distribution of funds, especially given the range of communities in the region.


On a side note, who is protesting in CO, CA, OR, and WA and why? Some reports say it is the left, some say it is extremist groups.
 
Counties take care of their own roads out west, but in my area they don't play with the MPO as much since it's something like a 17 city metro region and the money gets sent to where the most traffic is. Plus we have that light rail thing going, a bike initiative, and whatever else the MPO does.
 
 
We have a countywide MPO containing two cities and a bunch of towns- there are no county roads, just a handful of state highways and then a bunch of city streets and town roads. There are a lot of bike/ped and transit improvement projects in the current TIP, but several with no year assigned (they will happen sometime between five years out and never).

I could see a shift in funds for more multimodal stuff might move some of those projects up in priority.
 
I am a little skeptical of how effective the feds will be based on past experiences, especially when it comes to bike/ped mobility. But yes I think at a minimum there will be funding boosts for all of the existing multimodal oriented programs including capital investment grants for transit. There will probably also be new requirements for bike/ped safety in all infrastructure projects. I wouldn't be surprised to see a federal push for Vision Zero, but again I'm skeptical about how effective this will actually be.

I'll remain optimistic that something innovative will come out of the new administration, but it's difficult to see anything truly impactful gaining traction at least while COVID is the prominent issue. It's hard enough convincing people right now that transit ridership will actually come back, so I'm not sure a big spending bill for transit infrastructure projects is going to be palatable.
 
Counties here manage their own roads. The state handles its routes, unless a city or county agrees to maintain it. Once you do anything on it's yours forever. We have one of the lowest gas tax rates in the country even after increasing it last year. As such some of the more rural counties are on a 50 year cycle for paving or they are letting them revert to unpaved. Bridges are the same way. I've seen a number of bridges closed because they're unsafe and the city/county can't afford to fix them.
 
With the money set aside for repaving streets in our city, it would take 112 years to repave every street in the city.
 
I for one am looking forward to a 'boring' Presidency.

I was thinking about this the other day. By this point into the Trump presidency, I probably already knew the names of a handful of his personal and White House lawyers as well as the names of multiple campaign managers.

After 8 years of Obama and 8 years of Bush, I couldn't name a single personal or White House lawyer and though I may have recognized the name of a campaign manager during the campaigns, they were quickly forgotten and I couldn't name them today (though I'm not doubting that they may have remained prominent in different roles).

Almost a week into the Biden presidency and I couldn't name any of his lawyers. Fingers crossed that I never know their names.
 
I for one am looking forward to a 'boring' Presidency.

I know - to be apathetic for just a little bit sounds great to me

but I will say, I was way too apathetic during the Obama administration so there's a fine line in putting your trust in the person you voted for that won and being an engaged citizen
 
Watching the confirmation hearing for the incoming Secretary of Energy. So good to hear her voice, and view that calm, articulate demeanor.

 
Here's an interesting paragraph:

Dominion’s complaint in the Giuliani case opens with a particularly damning fact. While Giuliani touted the conspiracy theory against Dominion in many venues, “he was unwilling to make false election fraud claims about Dominion and its voting machines in a court of law.” Indeed, in one particularly high-profile lawsuit, Giuliani told a court specifically that the Trump campaign “doesn’t plead fraud” against anyone involved in the 2020 election in Pennsylvania — a sign, as many observers noted at the time, that the campaign’s attacks on the election results weren’t on the level.
 
Watching the confirmation hearing for the incoming Secretary of Energy. So good to hear her voice, and view that calm, articulate demeanor.

I disagree. While I support her end goals of clean energy, I would rather see someone with hands on experience working for clean energy companies, specially someone who has worked in solar or wind.

It's similar to my opposition of Ben Carson as HUD secretary.
 
I disagree. While I support her end goals of clean energy, I would rather see someone with hands on experience working for clean energy companies, specially someone who has worked in solar or wind.

It's similar to my opposition of Ben Carson as HUD secretary.
A Secretary doesn't need to be an expert: they need to be a terrific manager/administrator, with a nimble intellect.

These qualities disqualify Ben Carson.
 
A Secretary doesn't need to be an expert: they need to be a terrific manager/administrator, with a nimble intellect.

These qualities disqualify Ben Carson.

Wikipedia sez:

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Nomination and confirmation

After Donald Trump's win in the 2016 election, Carson joined Trump's transition team as Vice Chairman. Carson was also offered a cabinet position in the administration. He declined, in part because of his lack of experience, with an aide stating, "The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."[179] Although it was reported that the position was for Secretary of Health and Human Services, Carson's business manager has disputed this, stating, "Dr. Carson was never offered a specific position, but everything was open to him."[179] He was eventually offered the position of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, which he accepted.[180]

On December 5, 2016, Trump announced that he would nominate Carson to the position of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.[181] During the confirmation process, Carson was scrutinized by some housing advocates for what they perceived as his lack of relevant experience.[15]

On January 24, 2017, the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs voted unanimously to approve the nomination.[182] On March 2, 2017, Carson was confirmed by the Senate by a 58–41 vote.[15]
Tenure
Carson at the 2019 State of the Union

On March 6, his first day as secretary, while addressing Housing and Urban Development (HUD) employees, Carson saluted the work ethic of immigrants, and during his comments, he likened slaves to involuntary immigrants. A HUD spokesman said that no one present thought Carson "was equating voluntary immigration with involuntary servitude".[183] In the same speech, Carson was criticized by some for saying that the human brain "was incapable of forgetting and could be electrically stimulated into perfect recall".[184]

Under the federal budget proposed by Trump in 2017, HUD's budget for the fiscal year 2018 would be cut by $6.2 billion (13%) and the Community Development Block Grant, a program which Carson praised in a trip to Detroit as HUD secretary, would be eliminated.[185][186] Carson issued a statement supporting the proposed cuts.[187] Carson suggested that federal funds for housing in Detroit could be part of an expected infrastructure bill.[185]

In April 2017, while speaking in Washington at the National Low Income Housing Coalition conference, Carson said that housing funding would be included in an upcoming infrastructure bill from the Trump administration.[188]

In July 2017, during his keynote address at the LeadingAge Florida annual convention, Carson stated his concern about "seniors who become destitute" and reported that the Department of Housing and Urban Development had increased public housing programs for the elderly by an unspecified number.[189]
Carson speaks in 2019

In summer 2017, Carson allowed his son, Baltimore businessman, Ben Carson Jr., to participate in organizing a HUD "listening tour" in Baltimore. Internal documents obtained by The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act showed that the younger Carson "put people he'd invited in touch with his father's deputies, joined agency staff on official conference calls about the listening tour and copied his wife on related email exchanges".[190] The son's involvement prompted HUD staff to express concern; the department's deputy general counsel for operations wrote in a memorandum "that this gave the appearance that the Secretary may be using his position for his son's private gain".[190][191] Carson's wife, son, and daughter-in-law also attended official meetings.[190] In February 2018, the HUD inspector general's office confirmed that it was looking into the role Carson's family played at the department.[192]

During congressional testimony in May 2019, Carson did not know what the term REO ("Real Estate Owned" refers to housing owned by a bank or lending institution post-foreclosure) stood for and confused it with the cookie, Oreo.[193][194] In response, Carson went on the Fox Business Network where he accused Democrats of adhering to "Saul Alinsky" tactics.[195]

On March 1, 2020, the office of Vice President Mike Pence announced Carson's addition to the White House Coronavirus Task Force.[196]

On November 9, 2020, Carson tested positive for COVID-19 after attending President Trump's Election Night party.[197][198] He initially treated himself with a homeopathic oleander extract on the recommendation of Mike Lindell, the founder of My Pillow, Inc., which Carson said caused his symptoms to disappear. Oleander was previously rejected by the Food and Drug Administration as a treatment for COVID-19 and Carson received criticism for promoting an unscientific homeopathic treatment.[199][200][201] He disclosed on November 20 that he subsequently became "extremely sick" and attributed his recovery to Regeneron's experimental antibody therapy. He said that President Trump had given him access to the drug.[202]

I'd written "calm, articulate demeanor"

 
@Veloise, I think you missed the part where I mentioned that I was in opposition to Carson...

As I noted, I agree with many of JG's end goals (energy independence, clean environment, getting away from petroleum), but I don't think she understands the industry as much as some of those who have actually worked in the industry. More so, her track record of supporting green businesses isn't stellar.

I think someone like Arun Majumdar, would be a far better choice.
 
Now, before some people lose their freaking heads over me bringing up Biden's use of executive orders, let me say I think both sides have abused this power. I know someone will be like "But Trump", who which I will state, "yep, he abused it too", so don't even bother going there...

As of today, Biden has issued 42 executive orders. Obama didn't issue that many in his first year in office. Some of which I agree with, others not so much. Having said that, what do you think should be an executive order and what do you think should go through congressional review and approval. We have a process outlined in the US Constitution, (you know, the big tan multi-page document in a few glass cases down the road from the WH and the Capitol Building) that establishes how laws and regulations are brought into existence and more who is responsible for their creation.

Now I get it, several of these are undoing executive orders that Trump issued. But others go beyond that. The House of Representatives is controlled by the Democrats and the scary lady from San-Fran has the gavel, and the Senate is 50/50 but the Vice President has the tie breaking vote... if the Democrats have control, then run things through the proper process instead of just abusing executive authority.
 
Fruit Loops -

GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser​


Marjorie Taylor Greene's 'Jewish Space Lasers' Conspiracy Theory Met With Derision, Jokes​

 
That lady is a scary individual. But what's even more scary to me is that her district thought she was the "best" representative to send to Congress.
 
Now, before some people lose their freaking heads over me bringing up Biden's use of executive orders, let me say I think both sides have abused this power. I know someone will be like "But Trump", who which I will state, "yep, he abused it too", so don't even bother going there...

As of today, Biden has issued 42 executive orders. Obama didn't issue that many in his first year in office. Some of which I agree with, others not so much. Having said that, what do you think should be an executive order and what do you think should go through congressional review and approval. We have a process outlined in the US Constitution, (you know, the big tan multi-page document in a few glass cases down the road from the WH and the Capitol Building) that establishes how laws and regulations are brought into existence and more who is responsible for their creation.

Now I get it, several of these are undoing executive orders that Trump issued. But others go beyond that. The House of Representatives is controlled by the Democrats and the scary lady from San-Fran has the gavel, and the Senate is 50/50 but the Vice President has the tie breaking vote... if the Democrats have control, then run things through the proper process instead of just abusing executive authority.

It's definitely not ideal, but I don't mind all of the EOs. Since Congress has pretty much stopped passing any real legislation over the past 15 years or so, this has become about the only way to get any sort of policy pushed through. The problem isn't so much the sheer number of EOs or their legality, but rather the lack of certainty that comes with these Executive Orders not being enshrined in law and can be easily overturned once a new administration comes into office. Neither states/localities nor corporations appreciate that type of uncertainty.

Until we have a congress that actually legislates, I expect the president, no matter which party is in office, to keep using the power of Executive Orders.
 
Was called today by a lady asking if the code requires political signs to taken down after an election. After getting into the conversation more, what she was really asking is if we could require people to take down the tRump flags on the house.

Ah no, that's private property.
 
Was called today by a lady asking if the code requires political signs to taken down after an election. After getting into the conversation more, what she was really asking is if we could require people to take down the tRump flags on the house.

Ah no, that's private property.
What sign? Where? I don't see a sign, only political free speech and we don't touch that.
 
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It's definitely not ideal, but I don't mind all of the EOs. Since Congress has pretty much stopped passing any real legislation over the past 15 years or so, this has become about the only way to get any sort of policy pushed through. The problem isn't so much the sheer number of EOs or their legality, but rather the lack of certainty that comes with these Executive Orders not being enshrined in law and can be easily overturned once a new administration comes into office. Neither states/localities nor corporations appreciate that type of uncertainty.

Until we have a congress that actually legislates, I expect the president, no matter which party is in office, to keep using the power of Executive Orders.
And as long as we continue to prescribe to the current binary division without supporting 3 party candidates that think for themselves instead of being 3 party in name only, things won't change. Problem is we have folks in DC that are too busy trying to get reelected and not busy enough doing their jobs.
 
Was called today by a lady asking if the code requires political signs to taken down after an election. After getting into the conversation more, what she was really asking is if we could require people to take down the tRump flags on the house.

Ah no, that's private property.

We have a couple of communities here that require political signs be removed within 10 days after an election. I've always wondered how they can get away with that.
 
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