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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Beer Thread

Found a great brewery on my trip to Whitehorse. Yukon Brewing Company.

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http://www.yukonbeer.com/

Tried nearly all of them.

In order of preference

1) Aroma Borealis Herbal Cream Ale
2) Cranberry Wheat
3) Yukon Gold
4) Arctic Red

While I tried them, I did not like Midnight Sun Espresso Stout or the Lead Dog.

Have a few bottles of the Chilkoot Lager to try.
 
While i was picking up some Yuengling and noticed Budwieser had a energy drink...:r: WTF? has anyone had it?:-$
 
My beer selections for the Holiday:

Christmas Ale from Breckinridge
Winterhook, as mentioned above
and I am saving my Great Divide Hibernation Ale (8.2%) for Saturday night.
 
Christmas beers...that may stretch well into next week...
Sierra Nevada Celebration
Anchor Our Special Ale- 1999, 2001 and 2005 (just to compare)
Abbaye Val Dieu Winter
Abbaye des Rocs Grand Cru
Hair of the Dog Adam 2003
North Coast Old Stock 2003
Affligem Noel
Binchoise Special Reserve Noel
De Ranke Kriek
New Belgium La Folie 2002....ahhhhhhh, heaven in a bottle

I'll keep the Arrogant Bastards until New Year's!!
:b: :-D :b: :-D :b: :-D

Happy Holidays everyone!
 
I'm Sooooo Jealous

Geez you guys, you are making me thirsty (and jealous). I live in the great (not) state of South Carolina after coming of age in Portland, Oregon home of one of the greatest microbrew scenes in the US. Reading the posts made me year for the brews of Bridgeport, Widmer, McMennamin's, Pyramid, Rogue River, Deschutes, and Full Sail. I miss the winterbrews that the microbreweries put out seasonally the most.....they warm you up in a hurry!


SC's archaic laws won't permit the selling of any beer over 5% alcohol content (but you can buy liquor as much as you want!) which makes some of the craftier style beer unavailable here. I guess they don't understand that you don't chug a high quality beer, you drink it slowly to savor its flavors and complexities.
I did find some Widmer Hefeweizen the other day and paid $8 for six bottles but it sure was worth it! If you can find it try it, but pour it into a pilsner glass and serve with a lemon wedge otherwise it just isn't right.

Sigh....I will be so glad to get out of this place when I go to graduate school next year!
 
Hey Kjel;

Just come north of the border. NC passed high alcohol brew this past fall.

Drive up to Asheville and go to the Winehaus to buy or get growlers at Jack In The Wood. Barleys is a great tap house in Asheville as well (withe excellent calzones and pizzas). Charlotte has some good shops as well to buy and the Flying Saucer Beer Emporium near UNCC will take care of your thirst.:) :b: Cheers!

Is it beer-thirty yet?:-D
 
Planit said:
Hey Kjel;

Just come north of the border. NC passed high alcohol brew this past fall.

Ditto for Georgia - we've finally been able to (legally) purchase the higher alcohol beers this year...so you have options to the north and to the south.
 
I arrived at ZG's last night and was introducted to a 12-pack of Yuengling lager (I'm enjoying one for breakfast at this moment). She's so thoughtful.
 
I read in the paper today that alcohol consumption has lowered in the past twenty years in America. All the hard work for NOTHING! (I did my part!:-D )

Bill

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“I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly..“

- Ron Burgundy
 
Gotta question

For you that buy beer in a refillable growler, how long does it stay not flat? I am sure that for some of you it is lucky to make it home.
 
Big Owl said:
Gotta question

For you that buy beer in a refillable growler, how long does it stay not flat? I am sure that for some of you it is lucky to make it home.
If it's capped tight and filled near the top it will keep its carbonation for several weeks, once it is opened and the fluid level drops much below the neck the lifespan of the tiney bubbles can be counted in hours - maybe 2 days at the very outside if you don't drink more than a quarter of the growler after first opening it. My advice is to consume the entire contents in one sitting, not only will it remove concerns about carbonation, but it will remove concerns about a great many other things as well.
 
Big Owl said:
Gotta question

For you that buy beer in a refillable growler, how long does it stay not flat? I am sure that for some of you it is lucky to make it home.


I have practiced this on many occassions for OHB. It will stay fresh for a week or so until you open it, then you need to finish it off ina couple days. Think about though, there are only 4 pints in a standard 1/2 gallon growler. That's usually what it takes after an alderman meeting, ;) right? Still a great deal at $8 for a refilled growler.

OHB is now making a higher alcohol ale - its called "WARNING PALE ALE":) :) :)
 
Big Owl said:
Gotta question

For you that buy beer in a refillable growler, how long does it stay not flat? I am sure that for some of you it is lucky to make it home.

I picked up a growler of 2 Below Winter Ale from New Belguim on Saturday. I had taken pints from its bounty since, finishing it last night. Last night it was on the brink of losing its fizziness, but Man was it good! :p

Hops Cultivation Question
Do you think Hops would grow in Colorado? Probably directed mroe towards prana or Miles.

History of Brewing Random
As I have hinted before, I love the History Channel show, Modern Marvels. Last Sunday night they played the History of Brewing. This show was really interesting and informative.
One tidbit: When German and Austrian immigrants to the US began making beers such as A-B, Coors, Miller, and Pabst, they quickly became world renouned during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It was their methods of brewing lighter Lagers and Ales that were created in the Old Country (Bavaria, Czech, etc.) that were fine tuned for delightful refreshment during the hot American summers. According to the show, American beers took a lighter and less flavorful turn during WWII, when grain rationing forced the use of rice, etc in their brewing. American brewers have used the same recipes since then. It makes me wonder, since American beers get a bad rep nowadays (from some folks), what did they taste like prior to WWII, when they were becoming world renouned?
 
zmanPLAN said:
Hops Cultivation Question
Do you think Hops would grow in Colorado? Probably directed mroe towards prana or Miles.

Yep! and they look awesome just an ivy even if you don't cultivate the hops for actual usage. I know a few of the local nurseries sell them early in the spring, but they never can tell me what hop variety they are, thus making them mostly useless in my brewing.

In case you don't know, lots of sun and they will require a strong vertical wire support, usually about 12'-15' tall.
 
prana said:
Yep! and they look awesome just an ivy even if you don't cultivate the hops for actual usage. I know a few of the local nurseries sell them early in the spring, but they never can tell me what hop variety they are, thus making them mostly useless in my brewing.

In case you don't know, lots of sun and they will require a strong vertical wire support, usually about 12'-15' tall.

Sweet! I got the PERFECT spot! ;)
 
Planit said:
I have practiced this on many occassions for OHB. It will stay fresh for a week or so until you open it, then you need to finish it off ina couple days. Think about though, there are only 4 pints in a standard 1/2 gallon growler. That's usually what it takes after an alderman meeting, ;) right? Still a great deal at $8 for a refilled growler.

OHB is now making a higher alcohol ale - its called "WARNING PALE ALE":) :) :)

Thanks... for some reason i thought a standard growler was a gallon:-$ which is way more beer than i need in one sitting... well except after some council meetings;-) (they are no longer alderman)

The "WARNING PALE ALE" sounds intresting:p which inspires me to take advantage of North Carolina removing the alcohol limit. Thus far i have only had Tasgall Ale from Highland Brewery in Ashevile along with some barly wines that i have imported during mine and others travels.

Unfortunately all the places that sells a variety of beer are on the other side of the town and might as well be the other side of the world. So until i get motivated to travel the 15 to 20 minutes to fetch some good brew, i am stuck with the selection at my local Harris Teeters. Maybe the new big box on the other side of the interstate will have a great beer selection;-)
 
zmanPLAN said:
Sweet! I got the PERFECT spot! ;)

be careful with your new dog though! Hops and dogs don't mix very well!!!! You might have to research that a little, but dogs have died from ingesting too many hops after brewing, so I assume raw and on the vine would be no better for them!
Discussion here!
 
prana said:
be careful with your new dog though! Hops and dogs don't mix very well!!!! You might have to research that a little, but dogs have died from ingesting too many hops after brewing, so I assume raw and on the vine would be no better for them!

Maybe they will be placed in the fenced in garden area with the rest of the plants. Although this fact is souring me on the on the hop cultivation idea. Gotta look out for the "Smell Hound" first.

The only real time she spends outside though is with us... she is an inside dog mainly.
 
zmanPLAN said:
Maybe they will be placed in the fenced in garden area with the rest of the plants. Although this fact is souring me on the on the hop cultivation idea. Gotta look out for the "Smell Hound" first.

The only real time she spends outside though is with us... she is an inside dog mainly.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it, but that's just my personality! I think they are worth it visually if you take some simple precautions.
 
prana, have you tried the New Belguim Test Brew? It is quite interesting. The first taste reminded me of the Finnish Shanti that the Colo. Brewers Guild crafted for the beer fest, but then there were hints of pineapple and a slight sweet/spice taste to it. Didn't really take off for me.

How about LaFolie? This brew was stored in old oak casks previously used for wine. I cannot classify the brew, but it is sour with a slight wine taste to it. I couldn't stand it at first, but the taste grew on me and I was slightly tempted to buy a bottle.

I had fun last weekend. ;)
 
zmanPLAN said:
prana, have you tried the New Belguim Test Brew? It is quite interesting. The first taste reminded me of the Finnish Shanti that the Colo. Brewers Guild crafted for the beer fest, but then there were hints of pineapple and a slight sweet/spice taste to it. Didn't really take off for me.

How about LaFolie? This brew was stored in old oak casks previously used for wine. I cannot classify the brew, but it is sour with a slight wine taste to it. I couldn't stand it at first, but the taste grew on me and I was slightly tempted to buy a bottle.

I had fun last weekend. ;)

The test brew that I'm assuming you are talking about is the Chamomile Ale, also called JR something something? Yeah- the second go around was much better as he added much more hop to it. The first one was really astringent and over done on the chamomile.

Wait for the next pilgrimage beer.....a peach lambic-esque in style that is a blend of 2 year old Bier de Mars and a fresh peach ale! Should be on later this month.

Now La Folie....wow...freaking heaven in a bottle! It's classified as a Sour Ale or a Flander's Red generally, but also enters competitions in the Wood-Aged or experimental catagory. Not really all that experimental because they are following Rodenbach's process from 400+ years ago, but experimental in the fact that they are using wild Brett strains that are always hard to manage. Considered by many of the best brewers in the country to be one of the best American made beers because of the difficulty of the style and just how close it comes to the highly revered Rodenbach Grand Cru!

I just took a private little tour with Eric and Lauren (brewer and Q/A & sensory analyst at NBB respectively) that was really incredible. I'll post the whole recount if you want. It's long though!
 
prana said:
I just took a private little tour with Eric and Lauren (brewer and Q/A & sensory analyst at NBB respectively) that was really incredible. I'll post the whole recount if you want. It's long though!

If you can, that would be great. I have been meaning to take a tour of the place, but i always stop at the bar and drink the samples and then move onto growler fillings at Odell, Fort Collins Brewery and Coopersmiths (since we drank there with Miles, it has become one of my favorite spots).
I'll have to try a tour of NBB though. Seems interesting and probably more knowledgable than the VIP tour I did at Coors from UNC's Colorado History summer course. ;) Sometimes smaller is better.
 
La Folie tour at New Belgium Brewery- beer geek article!!

You've been warned! This is long and definitely slanted toward the serious beer geek/enthusiast/advocate/whatever because I wrote it for BeerAdvocate.com- :b:

The opportunity was given to a handful of BeerAdvocates recently to have a La Folie tasting at New Belgium Brewery in beautiful Ft. Collins, Colorado. This is not about the enthusiasts, or our enthusiasm, which was unbridled. Rather it is about the passion of the creators and keepers of what is arguably one of the finest beers in its style and possibly one of the finest American beers made. The following is a recount of this wonderful experience.

We started with a glass of La Folie ’05 from the NBB tasting room which is as much an architectural experience in itself as a beer experience. A few minutes later, Lauren Salazar, QA/ Sensory Analyst, escorted us into her office next door to the production floor, and by the employee slide. She proclaims she uses the 2-story curly-Q slide exclusively when coming downstairs from the administrative offices located on the second floor. Lauren begins the presentation with a glass of La Folie in her hand, as well. She seems to take inspiration from it.

First, she apologizes for taking so long to get this tour organized. We’re standing in the presence of one of the creators of such legends as, La Folie, Le Terroir, Love, and future beerwork we can only imagine, and she’s apologizing?! She begins to tell us of the transformation of gallon jugs of experimental brettanomyces cultures into a couple of inoculated wood barrels. She tells us how these original barrels were then used to inoculate more barrels until she had 10, 20, and then 60 barrels working magic. She describes an organic evolution of growing and splitting inoculated beer that reflects the very life of the bacteria and yeast. The original base beers were the regular New Belgium lineup of Abbey, Fat Tire, 1554, and the now retired Old Cherry Ale, and other inspirational brews. Lauren breaks up the Latin-laced and microbiological conversation with a funny story of incorporating a bottle of grain alcohol into a barrel; a bottle that had been passed like a joke from desk to desk to desk getting gag laughs, until… into a barrel it went, taking its Mojo with it! Amidst the hard work and serious dedication, this is obviously a casual place to work as is evident in the visible tattoos, piercings, constant laughter and even kilts.

Lauren describes how she and her husband, Eric, brewer for New Belgium, became the project baby sitters taking guidance initially from Peter Bouckaert. Then the project became their school. A mountain of barrels became her playground. She tasted and tasted, week after week after week. She tells how she would carry a siphon up a pyramid of teetering barrels seeking flavors that slowly evolved, matured, and sometimes became great. Through the process, beers were added and subtracted, notes taken, barrels mixed, and months became years. Lauren tells of developing a system of evaluating factors for the barrels that became a smiley, no smiley, and frown system. She talks of past formulas like they were water color sketches, or doodles, when in fact they created vintages that are expected to be talked about for years. Insane!

Finally, it was agreed to invest in 60 and 120 Hectoliter foeders. Suddenly Lauren says she was asked to pick a few of her best barrels to make room for the larger woods. In what seemed like an overnight decision she had to choose which original barrels to keep, essentially picking her favorite children. The others were sold for $10 apiece still full of base beer! As homebrewers, that feeling of a being a dollar short and day late swept over a few of us listening to this fairy tale.

A few of those “cast-off” barrels have gone to do some pretty special work in their own right. A few of these barrels currently reside at Pizza Port. The Peter Bouckaert/Tomme Arthur connection can be tasted in the bretta anomalous creation known as Mo Betta’ Bretta. And what does Tomme Arthur, Director of Brewery Operations at Pizza Port, think of La Folie? “I believe in my heart that the New Belgium La Folie is well on its way to becoming a "standard" of American Brewing,” states Tomme. He goes on to say, "Much like art where timeless pieces exist continually over time, we are seeing the emergence of this wild ale on its own terms. Crafted from a Belgian inspired tradition with an idealism rooted in the essence of American Craft Brewing, La Folie enriches and rewards those who both make it and those who seek it out."

Also, Coopersmith’s in Fort Collins has a NBB barrel, and Jason Yester, brewman and barrel lover at Bristol has used at least one NBB barrel to get his Skull and Bones series started. (Skull and Bones recently took 3rd place and Le Terroir took 2nd at the Chicago Wood Barrel Festival in the category of wild brews.) Other barrels went down the drain, and are lost. During all this movement, Lauren regretfully realized she was missing one of her favorite barrels, a barrel that produced nothing but Love.

For years she didn’t know where it had gone until recently she saw the barrel at Russian River Brewing Company working its magic with Brewer/Owner Vinnie Cilurzo. "The depth of flavor in La Folie is exceptional; it is one of the most unique beers being made in the United States. New Belgium Brewing Company should also be applauded for brewing with wild yeast and bacteria's, most breweries of their size would never consider using these "critters" because of the chance of cross contamination,” says Vinnie. He goes on to say, “I tip my hat to New Belgium and am also very appreciative of all the help and support Peter Bouckaert has given me with all of our wild beers." It seems Peter Bouckaert has done for Flemish sour beers in America what Hy Lerner has done for Flemish Desem breads acting as mentor and proponent.

With our glasses quickly becoming empty, it’s time to tour the cellar, and meet the cellar master. Lauren takes us outside just around the corner from her office through a garage door to the wood cellar. Here we meet her husband Eric Salazar and Chris Holbrook who tend to the wood. We walk through the cellar of two-story foeders. The cellar is really a “woods”. It’s every bit as beautiful and meaningful as a walk through a hardwood forest. Eric speaks with reverence of touring Rodenbach’s coopering workshop, and says candidly that he would be satisfied to shave staves all day. The wood is relaxing. We hear about how to maintain one of these beer silos; how they have to be scraped; how they dry out and leak when they’re filled again; how they live and breathe. And, as a final mystery of their existence, how they can all be inoculated with the same culture, but churn out different tasting products.

Eric introduces us to the hodge-podge of equipment that has been assembled to drain, strain, inoculate, and mix the contents of the different barrels. He smiles as he says that this is back to old school brewing. The whole cellar has been cut out of a part of the warehouse. The old dock ramps and doors are reminders that this used to be a loading zone. Between the two old docks is the New Belgium climbing wall. Cut out of the concrete is a drain channel that takes run-off into New Belgium’s state of the art, aerobic and anaerobic waste water treatment facility. We step over the hoses and connections to hear Lauren tell of the blending process as it happens right before our eyes.

For this part of the tour we are given samples of the latest La Folie blend waiting to be bottled this week. La Folie is currently out of stock and only blended/bottled a few times each year. Our taste is of La Folie straight out of the filter, but prior to the addition of champagne yeast. It’s incredible and just lacking that little zing that the yeast and a couple additional weeks of aging will achieve. Lauren tells us how she has tried to create a blend that doesn’t make people turn up their noses and make a face. All those fantastic vintages, and she’s worried that it’ll pucker, amazing! She goes on to describe her goblet system of blending. This is where they taste globes of each barrel, and blend and blend them to nail down percentages to mix for the final bottling. From mere ounces, these keepers of La Folie determine how many hectoliters of each barrel will be blended to create this version of hopeful perfection. The tasting never ceases.

We go on to taste samples from 5 different foeders all at different stages of maturity. Terroir without the hops is incredible! La Folie without fiddling! Lauren describes a non-systematic approach to inoculating each barrel so that it seems to us that there’s a little bit of everything in each foeder. One barrel has even been filled with extra Mountain Mantra with the intent that the high IBU and ABV will purge the wood of some off flavors. This will eventually be dumped and the barrel scraped. Who knows what insanity will come from this act of impishness!

The difference in the beer from these barrels is incredible! Some are brown and taste like sour apple; others look and taste of wet straw, dusty lanes, and memories of fermentation from another time. Some have very slight oak tendencies while others are dominated by this oakiness. The “youngest” barrels are reminiscent of nearly sun-baked cow dung as the bacteria are in full bloom. Yet, maltiness is present, and sugars are detectable: A base beer is being digested right across our palates! Lauren says there is a base recipe for La Folie, but it’s apparent that it seems to change each time depending on what’s coming out of the brew house. The difference in flavors is boggling to the mind.

Eric describes how his current project is to create the next Pilgrimage beer for the tasting room at New Belgium. The Pilgrimage series is a way for New Belgium to put new concepts into their brew house. Eric will be blending a fresh fruit beer with 2 year wood aged Biere de Mars without spices base brew. Reminiscent of the TransAtlantique Kriek except this beer will be a 100% product of New Belgium and described as peach lambic-esque in style. Along with the recent ultra-limited release of Le Terroir, hopefully, these experiments signify the next step for the New Belgium wood cellar: More beer!!

Tasting what turns into La Folie is inspiring. The experience was awesome. The tour was amazing. The generosity was heart warming. Still, it is the atmosphere of standing under the “woods” talking with the heart and soul of La Folie, Lauren and Eric who bestow upon Peter Bouckaert the title of “reigning sour beer mentor”, which makes the evening momentous. New Belgium could serve bottled tastings of the different barrels, but for what end? Individually bottled and sampled without the environment there would be an analytical reference, but there would be no understanding of the poignancy involved. La Folie is very much an emotional representation of Lauren, and Eric, and their work environment: La Folie simply embodies the values of New Belgium.
 
michaelskis said:
I am sad that I can not get a Porter at most grocery stores.:-(

You're in Michigan, right? KZoo's Fitzgerald Porter is awesome! Founders also does a good one!

and don't be too sad- we can't get real beer in our grocery stores. only 3.2% still
 
prana said:
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Tasting what turns into La Folie is inspiring. The experience was awesome. The tour was amazing. The generosity was heart warming. Still, it is the atmosphere of standing under the “woods” talking with the heart and soul of La Folie, Lauren and Eric who bestow upon Peter Bouckaert the title of “reigning sour beer mentor”, which makes the evening momentous. New Belgium could serve bottled tastings of the different barrels, but for what end? Individually bottled and sampled without the environment there would be an analytical reference, but there would be no understanding of the poignancy involved. La Folie is very much an emotional representation of Lauren, and Eric, and their work environment: La Folie simply embodies the values of New Belgium.
What an excellent article. I enjoyed reading it a great deal and feel as if I now have a better understanding of the essence of New Belgium's brew!
 
All I can say is:

Thanks Prana. :)

I think we need to host a National Fort Collins Cyburbia Brew Tour. You lead the way, I'll try not to mess up.
 
Maister said:
What an excellent article. I enjoyed reading it a great deal and feel as if I now have a better understanding of the essence of New Belgium's brew!

Thanks! New Belgium really does have a very unique combination of age old tradition, brewing innovation and environmentalism that I haven't found in any of the 150+ brewery/brewpubs that I have visited. It's truly a unique business model that has proved to be very profitable.

zmanPLAN said:
All I can say is:
Thanks Prana. :)

I think we need to host a National Fort Collins Cyburbia Brew Tour. You lead the way, I'll try not to mess up.

No problem, man! I'm all over that. I'm sure I could get a private tour of New Belgium and Left Hand with my connections. Odells, Coopersmiths and Ft. Collins Brewing would probably just take a phone call or two.

Did anyone do the brewery tours during the CO APA conference? I should have but passed for a discussion on neighborhood design.
 
prana said:
Did anyone do the brewery tours during the CO APA conference? I should have but passed for a discussion on neighborhood design.

No, I thought about it, but alas, I did not. I did go on a mobile tour of development along the Poudre River Corridor only to hear a developer in the Town Next Doortm trash the city I work for. :-| That tour drove past ODells...^o)
 
I am going to be spending a lot of time in Columbus, OH over the next couple of months for work, does anyone know of a good brew-pub, or micro to check out?
 
Big Owl said:
well except after some council meetings;-) (they are no longer alderman)

Unfortunately all the places that sells a variety of beer are on the other side of the town and might as well be the other side of the world. So until i get motivated to travel the 15 to 20 minutes to fetch some good brew, i am stuck with the selection at my local Harris Teeters. Maybe the new big box on the other side of the interstate will have a great beer selection;-)


Councilmen now - WOW!:-c There's a new twist!

We try to go to Amos & Howards (former OHB brewery in Longview) to get our growlers filled and eat diner there. Combines the trip across town. The barrels are good holding places for WeeP, she can't get out.

If you go to the "Holy NW", Gails Grapes and Hops on 127 (Old HT sc, next to Sgt. Peppers) has a great selection of brews from everywhere. Best in Cat.Co. I found Flying Dog's Horn Dog Barley Wine there (10.3% al.) and many more. I just have to make a special trip on occassion and drop about $50. If you want to stay in your neck of the woods, try the Lowe's in the city to my east. Better selection than our (I shop there too) HT.:b: :b: :b: ;)
 
Hmmm Upcomming Beerfest here in Valdivia... I just can't wait until late January :D

Who's up for a Valdivia Laefest? :D Fun starts January 26th and the hang over starts after January 29th :p

I just hope that the local brewery doesn't try to sell out that horrible Honey Beer experiment they have... Yuck! I on the other hand will stay with my classics Raw (Non Filtered) Lager and Bock...:) The German Folklore show is quite good too... and it's way funny to see a bunch of drunks in a nail hammering contest... :p
 
Thanks Planit, I went to the Beer and Wine Shop in the "Holy NW" and was inpressed with the beer selection. I didn't make the connection that Gail use to run the texaco out that way with the great beer selection. I couldn't find some of the Stouts and imperial Stouts i was looking for but i didn't go home empty handed well my wallet was lighter but i now have a variety of brew. I guess what they have available is limited to their distributor. I have enjoyed Sam Smith's Imperial Stout and Oatmill Stout. Also i liked the Pyramid's Snow Cap but was unsure of the oily feel in my mouth but i enjoyed the flavor, i might not repete this purchase... well its a seasonal brew the next year might be different. I know that Snow Cap was mention back a few post i wonder what others think about it. Maybe this week i'll break out the Rouge Imperial stout. Unfortunately when i open a stout i am obligated to get a piece of heavenly chocolate cheese cake out of the refriderator... hmmm stouts and chocolate, a match made in heaven.

I however was looking for Duckrabbit's Imperial stout and was disapointed that they did not have it, with it being a North Carolina Brew and they had other beers by Duckrabbit brewery. But i am going to be a hour from the brewery this weekend so i might have to slip away from the inlaws to see if i can procure some.;-)
 
prana said:
You're in Michigan, right? KZoo's Fitzgerald Porter is awesome! Founders also does a good one!

and don't be too sad- we can't get real beer in our grocery stores. only 3.2% still

I will have to look for that one.

Down fall is the few places that I shop have a wide beer selection, as long as you like ales.
 
Budweiser, a fancy foo foo beer?

Linky

NEW YORK - Can an industry that has spent a fortune on TV ads featuring mud wrestlers and talking frogs suddenly change its stripes to appeal to the wine-and-cheese, single-malt Scotch crowd? The makers of Budweiser and other brands of beer hope so.

Something about this feels wrong. What will NASCAR watching, trailer park living, mullet wearing, #3 idolizing, rednecks drink when they are sitting on the tail gate of their truck as they are fishing.
 
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michaelskis said:
Something about this feels wrong. What will NASCAR watching, trailer park living, mullet wearing, #3 idolizing, rednecks drink when they are sitting on the tail gate of there truck as they are fishing.

I imagine that my county cousins;-) will still drink Bud/Coors/Miller, despite any sort of new branding efforts from the macrobrewers. How does the saying go...something along the lines of "a dressed up pig is still just a pig"?
 
michaelskis said:
What will NASCAR watching, trailer park living, mullet wearing, #3 idolizing, rednecks drink when they are sitting on the tail gate of there truck as they are fishing.
Pabst Blue Ribbon;-)
 
Surprising that savemattoon is a beer connoisseur, given that I have only been served coorsbudmillerpbr in such fine establishments as the Ice House and Gunner Buc's.:victory:
 
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