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RTDNTOTO 🐻 Random Thoughts Deserving No Thread Of Their Own 20 (2025)

Or when people use Excel spreadsheets for things that are better suited for Access. Every office I've ever worked in has had this situation.

Access?

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For my part the gap between "learn Access and move the permits database from Excel to Access" and "just hire a permits software company already" is so small as to be one-dimensional!

omg that's like people using the space bar instead of setting up their tabs wtf

office rage!!!!
Yes but I swear there's a spacing randomizer n Word for when you do bullet lists, alternating different spacings by paragraph. I dutifully drag the little pointers around in the ruler but the spacebar temptation is strong when the agenda needs to go out and it's half past quitting time on a Friday...
 
Or when people use Excel spreadsheets for things that are better suited for Access. Every office I've ever worked in has had this situation.
I have a spreadsheet that could have been done in Access. I created it when were between administrative assistants so I didn't know what skill set would be able to find, as Excell proficiency is more common then Access proficiency. Plus if Bill Gates didn't want me to use it that way he wouldn't have blessed me with the formulas that allow me to do what I did.
 
What is this Access that you speak of ? I only know of Excel.
Used Excel for working through the Census LUCA & GIS.
 
I keep getting phone calls for the person who had this desk before me, asking to speak with him about an “important personal matter.” Every day, I say that person does not work here anymore and I don’t know how to reach him, but can I help? They say no thank you, and then they call back again the next day. He is still no longer employed here.
 
In my first "real" job 25 years ago I used an Access-based program we bought (dirt cheap!!) to set up board and site plan reviews, public hearings, and permits. It was put together by a husband and wife team who go their start going a dog license database for a nearby town.

It was honestly genius because once I got the applicant and proposal information put in, it would do the agenda, basic population of the staff report, and, most importantly, all of the little sticky labels I needed to follow the incredibly onerous certified mailing of the hearing notices to abutters. They were super helpful customizing everything and p[roviding tech support. I think of them any time I mistakenly pick a sales call from one of those companies that wants me to spend 70k up front and 50k/year to manage permit information somewhere other than my massive Excel spreadsheet.
 
Every job has its own special frustrations. Planning has hardly cornered the market on that. I recall when I worked in an ophthalmologist office there were so many patients that were blatantly.....unsophisticated. The doctor might be talking about macular degeneration of the retinal tissue and how there weren't any effective treatments available (and still aren't), but vacant expressions on those old people's faces said volumes....they didn't understand even 5% of what was just said. How do I know that beyond seeeing their vacant expressions? Because I was the one getting patients' medical histories and they'd tell me loads of things that would just make your jaw drop. - "Pills? I don't take no pills no more. I mean I used to. One of them doctors done gimme some pills a few years ago - said I had some sugar diabeetus and I finished all of them up so I ain't had to take no more pills since...." :wow:
 
Went to a comic con recently. Comic book artist had an original drawing on a Star Wars comic book cover of Sulu from Star Trek. That was pretty funny, as if there was a joke somewhere in there, right? Right?!

So I googled “han sulu star wars star trek mash up” and teh internets did not disappoint

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When I first started here with the county (closing in on 20 years ago now) we used Access quite a bit. I liked it because there were a lot of formatting options so you could make pretty nice looking reports based on however many tables you wanted but Microsoft always seemed to treat Access like the bastard stepchild of the Office suite of programs and seemed to offer very little support and updates were never that great. Once we hired a couple actual full-time graphic designers we stopped using Access for reports because I could just give the designers a simple Excel chart and they could make it look 1000% better with Adobe than I could do with Access. Then we got Tableau which integrated with other software much easier than Access and also work so much better for web-based apps and we never opened Access again. I had to check just now to see if we even still have Access on our computers... we do, but I bet it's been at least a decade since I've opened it.

FWIW, in the last year or so we've begun migrating everything from Tableau to PowerBI. I really like PowerBI - it has a lot more functionality than Access and is easier to share files than Tableau.

Or when people print a word document and then scan it as a PDF instead of just saving it as a PDF.

I've found that, as long as the resolution isn't terrible, Claude (the AI software) is pretty good at taking a scanned PDF and converting it into an Excel or CSV table or Word document.
 
Most every Sunday I go for an early morning walk to get a coffee and/or pastry and be outside for a couple hours. It's usually very unnoteworthy.

This past Sunday I was walking up the main street through our downtown and hear a bunch of sirens getting closer and closer and then I saw a police cruiser fly past me from behind. I walk about another block and see a bunch of smoke just past the intersection with the other main street a few blocks further up and then I start smelling the burning plastics and rubber (you can sort of see the smoke in the background).

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Once I get up closer I see this:

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Thankfully, it appeared there were no injuries and the damage was contained to just that vehicle.

A couple minutes before I heard all the sirens then saw the fire I had decided to walk a few blocks further south to check out the window displays at a new Restoration Hardware Gallery store that had just opened up. Had I not decided to take that little detour I would have probably been walking past that Mazda right as the fire had started. Opportunities missed!

What even causes a relatively new car to catch fire like that these days?
 
My 1999 Camry needs:

-An alignment
-4 new tires
-Exhaust manifold and front cat
-Rear trailing arms and bushings
-Vehicle speed sensor
-Instrument cluster printed circuit replaced
-A charcoal canister for emissions
-Trunk latch replaced (opens if I crawl inside from the back seat and jimmy the latch)
-Rust repair in both rear fender wells
-New undercoating
-Rear drivers side brake caliper

Probably about $2700 in work just to bring it back to the state it was in 2019, when I first found it. If I were not dirt poor, depressed and wasn't in grad school for most of the last 6 years, I would have been more diligent on maintenance and would have a more functional Camry. I still think it says allot about Toyota engineering quality in the 90s, that despite all these problems and the abuse I put it through, some 27 years after manufacture, the car still starts right up and has no trouble running.

My 1996 LeSabre needs:

-4 New tires
-An upper intake gasket
-A passenger side window regulator
-New undercoating

Probably about $800 to make it a reliable daily driver.

I have a storage spot, sweetheart deal for $40/year to be able to keep the Camry in a city garage (all city residents are eligible for the same permit, no special treatment here) and wont have to move it, as long as it is registered and insured. My insurance carrier can effectively downgrade my policy so that the car is covered as a non-driving project vehicle. 90s LeSabre's arent collectible like the Supercharged Park Avenue's are, aren't unique like a pre-85 RWD Buick would be, and are front wheel drive and good in the snow. Now that I am no longer dirt poor, I can afford to be more diligent with maintaining the Buick.

I am attached to the Camry as it was my car in Canada, and it also has the rare 5 speed manual transmission. Even if I don't bring the car back on the road, I can find a cleaner Gen 4 Camry in the future, and swap the Manual driveline into it. The emotional value is worth more to me than the $200 I would get from the scrapper.

I am going to live "car free" for the next month while the Buick gets worked on by a family friend. I can walk to work/the grocery store/laundry/bank and have the NFTA Bus/MetroRail for inner-city travel.
 
Hey @The Terminator , are you aware that the Detroit Redwings were called the Detroit Cougars 100 years ago? They had that name for 4 seasons before they became the Detroit Falcons, and the Red Wings didn't start until Norris bought the team in 1932.
 
I am SO tempted to apply. I check most of these boxes. (I’ve never had professional experience in long range planning.)

For the record, though, I am happy where I am, feel challenged, and am quite busy with lots of work coming down the pike.

 
Very short meeting last night. Rainy/stormy drive in, foggy drive home.

This morning - sun so bright I wanted another pair of sunglasses to put over my sunglasses.
 
Manti, UT representing! Driving past Manti on our way to California when I was ten years old, my dad told me that Turkeys have to stay inside sheds all the time because if it rains they look up and drown because they are so stupid. I believed that to be true and never thought about it again until I started to repeat it out of my memory once.....when I was in my twenties.


Thanks, Dad. Jeez. :)
 
Manti, UT representing! Driving past Manti on our way to California when I was ten years old, my dad told me that Turkeys have to stay inside sheds all the time because if it rains they look up and drown because they are so stupid. I believed that to be true and never thought about it again until I started to repeat it out of my memory once.....when I was in my twenties.


Thanks, Dad. Jeez. :)

When I was a kid we had neighbors who always had a few turkeys along with their chickens and they told a similar tale - their dad would make them go out and make sure the turkeys went into the coop anytime it looked like it was about to rain because the turkeys would look up and drown. Seemed pretty far-fetched to me as a ~7-year-old and I remember fighting back against it but these girls were so adamant that it was true that I figured maybe they were right? I'm not sure who the dupe is in this story! :rofl:


Regarding drowned turkeys though... I lived in Eastern NC when Hurricane Floyd came through in 1999 and a lot of the industrial turkey farms in Onslow and Pender and Duplin counties got flooded and tens of thousands of turkeys died and then got washed away out of their barns by the overflowing New and Cape Fear rivers and piled up in the fields to bake in the mid-September North Carolina heat and humidity along with all their waste that got washed out with them. Turkey and chicken farms aren't particularly pleasant to smell on the best of days. Add in the late summer sun and things only get exponentially worse.

At the time, the office building I worked on was on the banks the New River downstream from all the farms and we had a little pier with a pavillion on it that went out into the river where we'd go have lunch or take a break. It took a few days after the hurricane but those smells eventually made their way downstream. It was beyond putrid out there for a couple weeks.
 
Manti, UT representing! Driving past Manti on our way to California when I was ten years old, my dad told me that Turkeys have to stay inside sheds all the time because if it rains they look up and drown because they are so stupid. I believed that to be true and never thought about it again until I started to repeat it out of my memory once.....when I was in my twenties.


Thanks, Dad. Jeez. :)
My dad told me the same thing when I was a kid. He shared a lot of random facts that always sounded made up, so I was pretty skeptical of most of it. I never really thought about it again until now. I guess I never had a reason to remember it since I had no plans to get into the turkey business. Who knows, maybe that planted a subconscious seed that kept me from becoming a turkey farmer.
 
When I was a kid we had neighbors who always had a few turkeys along with their chickens and they told a similar tale - their dad would make them go out and make sure the turkeys went into the coop anytime it looked like it was about to rain because the turkeys would look up and drown. Seemed pretty far-fetched to me as a ~7-year-old and I remember fighting back against it but these girls were so adamant that it was true that I figured maybe they were right? I'm not sure who the dupe is in this story! :rofl:


Regarding drowned turkeys though... I lived in Eastern NC when Hurricane Floyd came through in 1999 and a lot of the industrial turkey farms in Onslow and Pender and Duplin counties got flooded and tens of thousands of turkeys died and then got washed away out of their barns by the overflowing New and Cape Fear rivers and piled up in the fields to bake in the mid-September North Carolina heat and humidity along with all their waste that got washed out with them. Turkey and chicken farms aren't particularly pleasant to smell on the best of days. Add in the late summer sun and things only get exponentially worse.

At the time, the office building I worked on was on the banks the New River downstream from all the farms and we had a little pier with a pavillion on it that went out into the river where we'd go have lunch or take a break. It took a few days after the hurricane but those smells eventually made their way downstream. It was beyond putrid out there for a couple weeks.
Where I grew up in Sacramento, there were a lot of wild turkeys flying around. You just get used to them. (And yes, Carlson, they do fly, just awkwardly.)
 
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It's good to know I'm not alone in that boat. I can't get anything done without a deadline anyway. Endless drifting through what I think about something until I have to have a report out by end of day.....

I'm bad.
I'm trying to get public notices done, and the internet has blipped twice so far today. ArcGIS takes forever to get back up and running after being shut down.

But the report is done.
 
I'm trying to get public notices done, and the internet has blipped twice so far today. ArcGIS takes forever to get back up and running after being shut down.

But the report is done.
Same here. I am cramming five days' work into three.

So why am I posting on Cyburbia right now then? :)
 
Where I grew up in Sacramento, there were a lot of wild turkeys flying around. You just get used to them. (And yes, Carlson, they do fly, just awkwardly.)

We would see pheasants everywhere in the rural areas surrounding the metro Detroit area when I was a kid, even in some of the more abandoned/derelict areas in the city of Detroit. We would never see turkeys.

These days, pheasants are pretty rare in SE Michigan (though I did read in the last year or so that populations have been on the rise again) and wild turkeys are EVERYWHERE! There are certain neighborhoods I run through where it's not uncommon to see multiple flocks (gaggles? rafters? groups?) of a dozen+ at a time. On my long Saturday run a couple weekends ago I ran past one flock where I lost count at 40 - that was the largest group I've seen in one spot.

Our daughter's high school has a smallish open air courtyard that turkeys like to get stuck in from time to time (early early in the mornings they like to find their way onto the low part of the roof by jumping/flying onto a couple dumpsters then onto the roof where they wander around and get into the courtyard but the courtyard is much lower than the ground outside the school and they cannot fly high enough to get back to the roof once they are in there and there isn't anything in the courtyard for them to fly/jump to to act as a step). The is a short trail behind a museum in our downtown that takes a steep climb through the woods down a ravine to connect to another trail and some aggressive turkeys like to monopolize the path a lot of mornings. One day a couple years ago I was walking to get a coffee at the Starbucks near our house and waiting to cross the street at a busy intersection when a very aggressive tom came out of a parking lot and up a little hill and started ruffling his feathers at me and getting closer and closer like it was trying to push me out into traffic. We had a whole brood of turkeys living under some bushes near the loading dock into our office building one spring (the babies are pretty cute). One year I kept hearing a bunch of scratches on our roof above our bedroom every day around 5:00 AM and finally saw a group of 5 or 10 turkeys up there when I was leaving for a run one morning (I trimmed a bunch of low branches off some nearby trees and that seemed to solve that problem). Our elementary school, which is right in probably one of the most dense residential neighborhoods in the Detroit area had a problem with turkeys tying up traffic every morning a few years ago... They are everywhere and to make it worse the get big and they get aggressive. But their poop isn't as gross as what the geese leave behind so I guess I'd rather have the turkeys.

Until finding this article just now, I didn't realize that turkeys had been wiped out in Michigan by the early 1900s and didn't really start making a comeback in significant numbers until a few decades ago:

Wiped Out in Michigan, Wild Turkeys Gobbled Their Way Back
 
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