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Spirituality 🌅 Under the Banner of Ursus (post-Mormon)

It's a hell of a thing.

Been a while. I'm going to just drop this here, and reiterate that I am not stepping on the idea of faith or religion or anyone's faith: I would never do that, it's too important. So many, many good things came from my upbringing in Mormonism, and I'm sure it's the same for people of all religious traditions. Lots of good. So much. But I myself am sort of adrift right now, so things are bothering me. This is a notion that is common to many religions perhaps, but is really doubled-down in Mormonism because of the church's belief that the ancient and correct Priesthoods were lost to all other religions, but restored by Joseph Smith. So when people of faith pray for a child to be healed, that's one thing. In my faith, you prayed, sure, but then you used consecrated oil, got another Priesthood-holding man or boy (12 years and up) and you put your hands on that child's head and you blessed them to be healed. You used God's own authority, and blessed that child to be healed. Now, some kids get better, and some kids don't. And that bothered me. That doesn't make sense, but that's a post for another day. Today I was thinking about how we also give what's called a "Father's Blessing" to your children, or anyone really. I used to give them to my kids as they started new school years, or were just having a hard time. I'm not going to lie, they are some of my most treasured memories. We Mormons also bless babies when they're born. That's a good example of something I miss about my church days. Once a baby is a few weeks old, you bring them to church on a Sunday. All your family comes, and you invite friends, too. So, there you are, at the beginning of the meeting and there is this big circle of men and boys up at the front of the chapel, and all of them are family and friends - your brothers, your older sons, your neighbor and his boy, your uncle, your nephews - and all of them have left arms on each others shoulders and their right arms extended into the middle with this newest, perfect little baby resting there. And you, as the father, you invoke your priesthood and tell God that you are bringing this baby to give her a name and a blessing. You say the name, and then...you talk to this child, this new, perfect child - and speak for God. And I'm telling you, it is something to experience. I've done it six times for my own children, and dozens of times in Argentina. Every time, I bawled like a baby, and I felt like I was telling this child things they should know, things coming from God. Now, I believe I was just telling them what I felt. What I hoped for them. How amazing I wanted their life to be. And even if my church gave that to me under what I have to believe were false pretenses - the church still gave me that experience, and I'll never regret that. How could I? No, I no longer believe that I said what I said because I had been given some kind of authority, but I'll never forget holding those babies, feeling the support and faith and love of all those men in the circle and those people in the chapel with us, welcoming this child to the world, and to the community. I'm moved even in remembering how it felt. I miss it. But I can't go back. It would be dishonest of me to go back. But man, I hurt some days. The last of my children to be blessed, my brother didn't stand in the circle. He had come out as gay, and officially he could not stand in that circle. My wife couldn't hold the baby for us, even as we blessed him, because only men have the priesthood. These things had started to bother me by the time I blessed my youngest son. It's a hell of a thing, losing one's religion. It's a hell of a thing, and sometimes, I wish I could go back. But I would not do that to the little girls that I blessed, that are now my grown daughters. How could I do that?
 
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I'm really struck by that blessing tradition... and how it didn't really need to have any faith-basis. It would be every bit as meaningful, perhaps even more so, coming directly from a parent expressing their wishes, hopes, protection, etc. for a child on behalf of a supporting family surrounding. To me, it means more coming from family and fellow humans than it does from "a person through which god is speaking." Because then it is coming from someone that actually had life experiences and knows the good & the bad from having touched it.
 
My sister married a Mormon and moved to Salt Lake (West Valley). She's probably going to fully convert to LDS. Perplexes me. The power of love.
 
My sister married a Mormon and moved to Salt Lake (West Valley). She's probably going to fully convert to LDS. Perplexes me. The power of love.
I hope it turns out well. I worry that sometimes people confuse the emotions they have about another person - like love, excitement, or even hate, honestly - with the "spirit". As a people, Mormons are big on the Spirit. If you felt good, that was the spirit. If you felt calm, that was the spirit. If you felt excited, that was the spirit. If you felt slightly bloated, well, that was too much dairy, but that might have kept you from feeling the Spirit like you would have otherwise.

As long as she went in with both eyes open, statistically being married to a progressive Mormon isn't too bad, right? He shouldn't be drinking, or gambling, or cheating, and the support network for young wives and moms can be pretty good. There can be a LOT of very passive-aggressive judgement amongst our ranks - tell her to blow that off. Lots of fake nice. Don't let those people ruin the genuine people for you. West Valley, represent! (I was born in Academy Park there :) )
 
I have been working through a faith crisis myself for the last decade or so - not sure what I believe in, so angry with the failings of the Roman Catholic Church of what was done to children without consequence, scared of what the religious right has done to evangelism in the American Catholic Church, and their inconsistent message than what the Pope says, the treatment of same-sex couples (my daughter being one of them) - but yeah, I miss the connection, being a lector, and I love the Pope, but I just can't go anymore

I usually go to stations of the cross event during Lent and still practice a Lenten not sacrifice but doing something during that time period, we have an Easter party but that's about it

So I see where you are coming from - I always say we use the term "practicing a faith" because we are always learning, questioning, and sometimes walking away

One thing I have noticed during this time is I am a little obsessed with valid ghost/spirit encounters because it makes me wonder what happens that much more
 
I have been working through a faith crisis myself for the last decade or so - not sure what I believe in, so angry with the failings of the Roman Catholic Church of what was done to children without consequence, scared of what the religious right has done to evangelism in the American Catholic Church, and their inconsistent message than what the Pope says, the treatment of same-sex couples (my daughter being one of them) - but yeah, I miss the connection, being a lector, and I love the Pope, but I just can't go anymore

I usually go to stations of the cross event during Lent and still practice a Lenten not sacrifice but doing something during that time period, we have an Easter party but that's about it

So I see where you are coming from - I always say we use the term "practicing a faith" because we are always learning, questioning, and sometimes walking away

One thing I have noticed during this time is I am a little obsessed with valid ghost/spirit encounters because it makes me wonder what happens that much more
I feel all of this. I grew up in a very Catholic house. Went to Catholic school. Was an altar boy. I pretty much stopped practicing/attending mass when I went to college. My wife is Presbyterian so we baptized our daughters in that faith.

Over the years I've thought about going back to practicing my faith, but I could just never get past the inconsistencies of the Catholic Church, let alone organized religion in general. I probably never will at this point.
 
I'm really struck by that blessing tradition... and how it didn't really need to have any faith-basis. It would be every bit as meaningful, perhaps even more so, coming directly from a parent expressing their wishes, hopes, protection, etc. for a child on behalf of a supporting family surrounding. To me, it means more coming from family and fellow humans than it does from "a person through which god is speaking." Because then it is coming from someone that actually had life experiences and knows the good & the bad from having touched it.

A few different religions have a sort of blessing tradition for new kids (we still need to do our naming ceremony for our young kids with our Rabbi), and I think the concept is great for the approach/reasons you listed. For Ursus, I totally agree that the beauty of it is hampered when you literally can't have part of your family there because the institution says that they're not allowed. It's your family and your kids, you should be able to have the people that matter in your family's life be part of that blessing.

Ursus, does your brother know that that was one regret you have? I imagine that he would view it as a profound act of love - at least, I would.
 
Wonder how many Mo's or Post-Mo's are on Cyburbia. "Mo" being Mormon. But yet we are now told using the term Mormon is a "win for satan" yet millions were spent by past leaders with the "I'm a Mormon" campaign. Movie, billboards, social media presence, etc.
 
Spared a Christian upbringing, I have for 20 years or so thought myself a Buddhist, having attended numerous silent retreats where no talking is allowed and most of the day is spent sitting in silence. Meals all taken in silence, no talking till last day when all attendees have plenty to say, many weep. It is all very cathartic. Retreats are usually led by some kind of teacher. I do not meditate but have a decades long practice of what is called hatha yoga.
Year or two ago I lodged with some practicing Buddhists at a wedding party weekend, and when I told them about my long love for Joseph Campbell's writing and lectures, the wife of that couple dismissed Campbell and began to preach to me in her so called tradition.
That broke my self label completely. Color me agnostic, but still curious and learning.
 
If You Could Hie to Kolob: bit of a bump, just because.

I had some trouble sleeping last night, and ended up listening to music. I had a stray thought about a very Mormon hymn that I've loved, called "If You Could Hie to Kolob". That requires a little un-packing, I realize, so I'll give it to you, but first: If you search it on Apple Music or Youtube, you'll see versions - actually lots of them - of this hymn. The music, frankly, is gorgeous. Based on an old English melody. If there's one thing Mormons do well, it's music. Now, the lyrics. Very Mormon, as I said. Mostly you don't need to know doctrine to get the effect, but a couple of details help:

1) Kolob. Joseph Smith taught that the place closest to where God is (physically) in the universe is called Kolob. All light and knowledge comes from God, to Kolob, to the rest of us.

2) You may have heard that Mormons believe that one day they will become Gods if they're faithful. While the church is trying to mainstream itself and doesn't talk about this doctrine much or emphasize it anymore, the statement is still essentially correct. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man like any other, who lived faithfully and became divine, fathering countless spirits (us) that can have the same opportunity if they are faithful and willing to spend eternities learning and growing. In the same parts of scripture where these things are taught there are lots of references to matter, light, spirit, knowledge, etc.

The hymn references all of that. Very mystical, very interesting, and as I said, the music is gorgeous and memorable. If you're feeling introspective, it's a great piece of music, and though I no longer endorse the doctrine ( :) ) I can still whole-heartedly love some of the music it inspired. I always loved this hymn, and thought I'd take the opportunity to give you a little glimpse into an odd corner of the religion of my up-bringing. I'm coming to terms with a lot of things. Long road.
 
I hope it turns out well. I worry that sometimes people confuse the emotions they have about another person - like love, excitement, or even hate, honestly - with the "spirit". As a people, Mormons are big on the Spirit. If you felt good, that was the spirit. If you felt calm, that was the spirit. If you felt excited, that was the spirit. If you felt slightly bloated, well, that was too much dairy, but that might have kept you from feeling the Spirit like you would have otherwise.

As long as she went in with both eyes open, statistically being married to a progressive Mormon isn't too bad, right? He shouldn't be drinking, or gambling, or cheating, and the support network for young wives and moms can be pretty good. There can be a LOT of very passive-aggressive judgement amongst our ranks - tell her to blow that off. Lots of fake nice. Don't let those people ruin the genuine people for you. West Valley, represent! (I was born in Academy Park there :) )

Yah she could have done allot worse, and my BIL isn't a strict Mormon, does not have a temple recommend ;)

I try and imagine my BIL being from Cheektowaga, where the population is about as heavily Polish-Catholic as SLC is Mormon. "Youre a latter day what now? Thats nice hun, come to our Holy Thursday Fish Fry and Father Kosciusko will get you baptized before the Haddock's done, Chatechism-schmaticism!"
 
If You Could Hie to Kolob: bit of a bump, just because.

I had some trouble sleeping last night, and ended up listening to music. I had a stray thought about a very Mormon hymn that I've loved, called "If You Could Hie to Kolob". That requires a little un-packing, I realize, so I'll give it to you, but first: If you search it on Apple Music or Youtube, you'll see versions - actually lots of them - of this hymn. The music, frankly, is gorgeous. Based on an old English melody. If there's one thing Mormons do well, it's music. Now, the lyrics. Very Mormon, as I said. Mostly you don't need to know doctrine to get the effect, but a couple of details help:

1) Kolob. Joseph Smith taught that the place closest to where God is (physically) in the universe is called Kolob. All light and knowledge comes from God, to Kolob, to the rest of us.

2) You may have heard that Mormons believe that one day they will become Gods if they're faithful. While the church is trying to mainstream itself and doesn't talk about this doctrine much or emphasize it anymore, the statement is still essentially correct. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man like any other, who lived faithfully and became divine, fathering countless spirits (us) that can have the same opportunity if they are faithful and willing to spend eternities learning and growing. In the same parts of scripture where these things are taught there are lots of references to matter, light, spirit, knowledge, etc.

The hymn references all of that. Very mystical, very interesting, and as I said, the music is gorgeous and memorable. If you're feeling introspective, it's a great piece of music, and though I no longer endorse the doctrine ( :) ) I can still whole-heartedly love some of the music it inspired. I always loved this hymn, and thought I'd take the opportunity to give you a little glimpse into an odd corner of the religion of my up-bringing. I'm coming to terms with a lot of things. Long road.
Mormons do music very well. During Christmas this year I wound up listening to a ton of Christmas hymns by the Tabernacle Choir. I've also had a version of "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" on repeat. Not a Mormon, but the version is very moving.
 
Mormons do music very well. During Christmas this year I wound up listening to a ton of Christmas hymns by the Tabernacle Choir. I've also had a version of "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" on repeat. Not a Mormon, but the version is very moving.
Parents and I went to the choir a few months ago. My first time and I've lived in Utah for the better part of 33+ years. Wonderful to listen to in the historical tabernacle building.
 
Yah she could have done allot worse, and my BIL isn't a strict Mormon, does not have a temple recommend ;)

I try and imagine my BIL being from Cheektowaga, where the population is about as heavily Polish-Catholic as SLC is Mormon. "Youre a latter day what now? Thats nice hun, come to our Holy Thursday Fish Fry and Father Kosciusko will get you baptized before the Haddock's done, Chatechism-schmaticism!"
and a side of kielbasa

also, @ursus - did I tell you that my husband's landlady in Concord, Massachusetts in the mid 80's was a direct descendant from Smith? She was a fascinating person and I have happy memories of long conversations about life over a pot or tea and some biscuits
 
and a side of kielbasa

also, @ursus - did I tell you that my husband's landlady in Concord, Massachusetts in the mid 80's was a direct descendant from Smith? She was a fascinating person and I have happy memories of long conversations about life over a pot or tea and some biscuits
That's so cool! Don't you wish you could spend your whole life cataloguing people's stories and memories? It all needs to be written down so that I can read it ALL!!!! :)
 
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