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At what age can one expect a kid to take to recreational reading as a hobby (if indeed it ever happens at all)?

I'm very much a recreational reader, but I don't recall really getting into reading until I was a teen. Junior is almost 9 and it seems like reading is pretty much a chore to him.
 
At what age can one expect a kid to take to recreational reading as a hobby (if indeed it ever happens at all)?

I'm very much a recreational reader, but I don't recall really getting into reading until I was a teen. Junior is almost 9 and it seems like reading is pretty much a chore to him.
Honestly, if he reads grade appropriate, don't push it or really worry about it.

I didn't really start serious recreational reading until college. I didn't seem to understand the value until then, and it was also a convenient excuse for avoiding my assigned reading.

Be patient. He may read something in middle school or high school that triggers something in him and off he'll go. For me that book was either 1984 or Fahrenheit 451 in high school freshman English.

Or get him subscriptions to magazines of subject matter that interests him. From middle school through high school, I read several monthly issues of my hobby's magazines. That is certainly recreational reading. In high school and college, I was a voracious reader of various auto magazines, which strengthens/maintains your reading skills and also exposes you to a distinctly different writing style - more conversational versus literary.

Try everything, without looking like your trying. Heck even try joke books for use at school, etc. :)
 
Depends on the kid. I'd say I was about 11-12 when I started reading novels, before that I always used to peruse several magazines that my mom got-National Geographic and Reader's Digest come to mind. We had a wonderful local bookstore that I used to ride my bike to and with a 2-5 bucks I could get a new book. One of the co-owners got to know me and would suggest things that I might be interested in. Of course, I hit up the library quite often as well.

If he's reading grade level, don't be too pushy. Find "fun" books that he has an interest in, whether they are novels or picture books. Barnes & Noble usually have quite a few themed picture books on history, cars, planes, sports, etc. in the clearance section that also have descriptive text corresponding to the pictures that he can read a few pages at a time. Also, there are many magazines that he might like based on his interests.
 
Our middle son is in this autism testing today and should be finishing up any time now. I am waiting for a phone call from my wife regarding how it went.






Edit/ update:
After 3 1/2 hours, the reviewer diagnosed him and said that the reason he is delayed is because of autism. However, he said that we have already been doing most of the stuff that we need to do and that if we increase the intensity of the therapy, he might be main streamed by the time by kindergarten or first grade, but noted that he will need some level of therapy to maintain that level. They do want to do a follow up review with him next week to see if the review time had any impact as it was done during his nap time.
 
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At what age can one expect a kid to take to recreational reading as a hobby (if indeed it ever happens at all)?

I'm very much a recreational reader, but I don't recall really getting into reading until I was a teen. Junior is almost 9 and it seems like reading is pretty much a chore to him.

I have two kids. The older was an early and voracious reader which lulled me into thinking this was more normal than not. So, now comes the second one who has been much slower to read in general and still hasn’t really gotten “the bug.” The proliferation of electronic entertainment even since the older one was the same age is a factor here, but I think mostly its just her aptitude. She isn’t the greatest reader and we try hard to encourage it without making it a chore and therefore turning her off to the whole enterprise. But often the “battle” seems to come down to her wanting to watch a video or play games while we insist she needs to spend X amount of time with a book. Then it turns into a “if I read for that amount of time, then can I play games?” conversation which is exactly the dynamic I DON’T want to set up. It’s a bit of a struggle. We do read almost every night, but largely it is us reading to her rather than her reading on her own or to us (though we do that as well - she just grows tired of it quickly)

All that being said, like Junior, my daughter is 8.5 and the school says she is reading right at grade level and not to be concerned. I have always felt that she may have a processing issue going on based on the kinds of words that stymie her, but the teachers don’t seem concerned, so we have not sought out any additional services to help get her on track. I don’t want to be a helicopter parent but I also want to support my child in excelling in life. It’s a tough scenario.

Personally, I was never a big reader and I really can’t remember when reading really clocked for me. These days I mostly read periodicals and informational/reference books rather than novels. Looking back, I now realize that reading was always a big chore for me and I probably do have some “issues” that therapy or specific strategies may have helped with. For example, when I am faced with a big page of text, it is hard for my eyes to track the text left to right, line by line. Instead, I fight to urge to look all over the page as my eyes are caught by this or that word. Apparently this is a “thing” people struggle with and my nephew has this along with ADHD. I have very high comprehension when I read, but I am not very fast.

I would say if the teachers are not concerned, you probably don’t need to be either. But you should also seek out the teachers and discuss with them the specific concerns you do have. Sometimes kids can hide their shortcomings even from the teachers and issues that could be addressed early go undetected. IF the teachers know what to look for, they can better assess what may or may not be going on.
 
The Girl has been a big reader - even reading at least a grade & sometimes 2 grades higher. She seemed to slack off this year some and we figured out it was the ipad distraction. At bedtime we let her watch one video (right now its split between Mr. Ed & Mork and Mindy) but then she has to get her book. She also can not touch her ipad until her homework was finished. With summer coming up, we're working on an appropriate time schedule (1:1 ratio) for ipad & reading.

BTW - she is now out of elementary school and becoming a middle schooler :-c8-!:-o:D and very proud of her. She made straight As for the year (gold honor roll). I know its normal now, but neither Mrs. P nor I remember having a 'Promotion Ceremony' complete with receiving a promotion certificate and processing in & out of the cafetorium when we got out of elementary school.
 
Frickin wonderful.

This morning our Nanny (who is awesome) informed us that she just accepted a full time position as a youth minister at church in town. Not only do we lose our nanny, our church loses it's assistant youth minister.

She is going to stay on for the rest of the month and is willing to actually work a couple of days for free to help train whom ever we hire. She was also shocked when she learned that our middle son is diagnosed to be on the autism spectrum. (I told her after she gave me the news of her new job)
 
Sooo.....this weekend's festivities brought to mind an ugly issue that has been rearing its head on occasion. Junior seems to be enamored of fire. I mean he begs and pleads with me every time I'm grilling to be allowed to put the lighter fluid on and start the charcoal. Then once it's going he likes to throw in sticks, leaves and other items just to see how they burn. He'll do this with wood fires in the fireplace during the winter as well. This is all well and good if I'm sitting next to him supervising (and no I don't allow him to start any fires involving lighter fluid), but on a couple of occasions we have caught him doing this kind of thing as we enter the room! So far he has not caused any mischief but I am worried he may someday if we leave the room momentarily. We have lectured him until we are blue in the face but I get the distinct feeling he's tuning us out completely. Does anyone else have a kid fascinated by fire?:-c
 
My son used to be quite the chatterbox. And usually he talked to me. Pretty much all the time. Normally this would be a horrible thing for an introrvert. But for some reasons no matter how much he talked at me and to me, I never minded. Not once that I can recall.

He used to call me every day after school. It was my favorite part of my work day.

But when he started seventh grade, he began talking to me a lot less and often reluctantly.

I miss his yapping. :(
 
Sooo.....this weekend's festivities brought to mind an ugly issue that has been rearing its head on occasion. Junior seems to be enamored of fire. I mean he begs and pleads with me every time I'm grilling to be allowed to put the lighter fluid on and start the charcoal. Then once it's going he likes to throw in sticks, leaves and other items just to see how they burn. He'll do this with wood fires in the fireplace during the winter as well. This is all well and good if I'm sitting next to him supervising (and no I don't allow him to start any fires involving lighter fluid), but on a couple of occasions we have caught him doing this kind of thing as we enter the room! So far he has not caused any mischief but I am worried he may someday if we leave the room momentarily. We have lectured him until we are blue in the face but I get the distinct feeling he's tuning us out completely. Does anyone else have a kid fascinated by fire?:-c

My dad made a bonfire on Saturday and we let our oldest stay up to roast marshmallows. He loved the fire and he too wanted to put everything he could get his hands on into the fire. But he was very observant when one piece of wood popped and a spark came out and caught part of the dry grass on fire. He wanted to then be a fireman and got the hose to put it out.







On a side note, the paperwork for new therapists to help our middle child with autism is insane. Now that he is diagnosed, our current therapists say that they can't continue to see him because he is now "officially diagnosed." To make matters worse, the waiting lists go anywhere from 3 months to 6 months to get a spot.
 
My son used to be quite the chatterbox. And usually he talked to me. Pretty much all the time. Normally this would be a horrible thing for an introrvert. But for some reasons no matter how much he talked at me and to me, I never minded. Not once that I can recall.

He used to call me every day after school. It was my favorite part of my work day.

But when he started seventh grade, he began talking to me a lot less and often reluctantly.

I miss his yapping. :(

Oh man, I hear ya! I have a 13 year old and an 8 year old. The 13 year old used to be a chatter box but now is pretty into his own thoughts and harder to reach. I think that is typical for his age but that doesn’t make it any easier. On top of that we are getting lots of moody times, some of which can be pretty hurtful. For example, he has been at a backpacking camp for the last two weeks. Last weekend they had a day when alumni of the camp and parents could visit. We have some land near that area so we decided to make a weekend out of it and go visit him. 1.5 hours from our land and when we showed up, he smacked his forehead with his hand, gestured rudely to my wife and his sister and proclaimed “you didn’t tell me you were coming!” and then walked off to participate in his activity. We hung around for a while, checked out the place and then headed off without finding him again, feeling quite dejected. It was also my birthday (which I am not sure he realized at the time). Later he ran into another family we know and did express that he had been rude and regretted his behavior so maybe he is learning something of a lesson. But still, this crap is a long way from the boy who just wanted to follow me around and talk to me for endless hours. Growing up is hard to do.

Our daughter on the other hand is fully in the “I say what I am thinking all the time, unless I am asleep” phase. I joked with my wife yesterday when she asked me what I thought about something that “I don’t have thoughts anymore – my head is too full with our daughter’s ceaseless musings!” Its hilarious and torturous at the same time. But very typical for the age.

They are both good eggs, but still, there is a tragic beauty to being a parent.
 
Our daughter will be 4 next month and just now discovered that she can get out of bed of her own accord and doesn't need to yell for us at the top of her lungs when she wants something. This is a blessing because she will get up and use the bathroom and go back to sleep all by herself. This is a curse because I will be reading in a chair in the den and she will silently come up and stand next to me and scare the crap out of me. She finds this hilarious (and truth be told, so do I)
 
Sooo.....this weekend's festivities brought to mind an ugly issue that has been rearing its head on occasion. Junior seems to be enamored of fire. I mean he begs and pleads with me every time I'm grilling to be allowed to put the lighter fluid on and start the charcoal. Then once it's going he likes to throw in sticks, leaves and other items just to see how they burn. He'll do this with wood fires in the fireplace during the winter as well. This is all well and good if I'm sitting next to him supervising (and no I don't allow him to start any fires involving lighter fluid), but on a couple of occasions we have caught him doing this kind of thing as we enter the room! So far he has not caused any mischief but I am worried he may someday if we leave the room momentarily. We have lectured him until we are blue in the face but I get the distinct feeling he's tuning us out completely. Does anyone else have a kid fascinated by fire?:-c

My kids have the usual fascination with fire and throwing something into the fireplace to watch it burn, but they aren't overly obsessed. One day after Christmas I was showing them how fast fire can spread. I put a bunch of dead tree limbs and needles in the fireplace and lit it up. They were interested until it roared to life and the heat made them back up. They now know not to play with the stuff. You might try having a fire pit and let him burn a couple things, supervised of course. Then give him a spray bottle to start putting it out. Maybe he'll burn out his fascination (no pun intended - I hate puns). He might also learn what it take to put out a fire. Then again it could backfire on you.
Good luck.

My son used to be quite the chatterbox. And usually he talked to me. Pretty much all the time. Normally this would be a horrible thing for an introrvert. But for some reasons no matter how much he talked at me and to me, I never minded. Not once that I can recall.

He used to call me every day after school. It was my favorite part of my work day.

But when he started seventh grade, he began talking to me a lot less and often reluctantly.

I miss his yapping. :(

Mine's 5, she talks no stop about everything. I'm sure I'll miss it in a couple years. I still get the kids running home from the neighbor's house when they see me pulling up. Just makes you feel good.

Our daughter will be 4 next month and just now discovered that she can get out of bed of her own accord and doesn't need to yell for us at the top of her lungs when she wants something. This is a blessing because she will get up and use the bathroom and go back to sleep all by herself. This is a curse because I will be reading in a chair in the den and she will silently come up and stand next to me and scare the crap out of me. She finds this hilarious (and truth be told, so do I)

My 8 yo loves to scare the crap out of mom. It's now a game. After a shower she likes to rap herself up in towels, sneak into whatever room mom is in a roar at her. Makes her jump every time and always gets a good laugh. Naturally I don't give her any warning when I see it happening.
 
My wife took our middle son with autism to an evaluation this morning so they could determine how much therapy he will need. First of all, it is fascinating how they can determine how much he needs in the first place.

But it is a relief to find out that he will only need to go 2 to 3 full days days a week which is where we are at now. However, most of his therapy has been in house and this will be in-office... full day. So that will be interesting to see how he does without an afternoon nap on those days.
 
Hey Ya'll - so cool (funny, sad)to read all the musings about the kids, they do grow up so fast.

My eldest has graduated this year from HS! She has been away all summer working as camp counselor, leaving her younger sister at home to absorb all of our parental energy. lol

Off to college soon too, she chose NMU in Marquette of all places, thrilled for her choice! Undeclared going in, but she has her sights set on the Art and design Dept. :-c :h:
 
Hey Ya'll - so cool (funny, sad)to read all the musings about the kids, they do grow up so fast.

My eldest has graduated this year from HS! She has been away all summer working as camp counselor, leaving her younger sister at home to absorb all of our parental energy. lol

Off to college soon too, she chose NMU in Marquette of all places, thrilled for her choice! Undeclared going in, but she has her sights set on the Art and design Dept. :-c :h:

Glad to see you stopping by! Yes, they grow up way too fast.
 
My oldest (8) has brought up playing a guitar again. She mentioned it last year just before Christmas and we figured it was just a passing thing because one of her friends got a toy guitar for a birthday. Since she's still talking about it, I guess I'll have to break down and get one. Maybe next Christmas. It's just against my better judgement to give children things that promote extra noise and chaos in the house.
 
My oldest (8) has brought up playing a guitar again. She mentioned it last year just before Christmas and we figured it was just a passing thing because one of her friends got a toy guitar for a birthday. Since she's still talking about it, I guess I'll have to break down and get one. Maybe next Christmas. It's just against my better judgement to give children things that promote extra noise and chaos in the house.

Instrumental music is a good thing, and a guitar is a nice entry point. I've heard that ukelele is easier. (My choices were mandolin, then fiddle.)

FWIW, I am celebrating the 40th anniversary of my switch to brass (from flute) all year, a path that changed my life and I'm still following. (Last weekend I played with other college alumni and friends on a float in a big parade. July 4: two local parades.) Playing an instrument helps build neural pathways, assists with life management skills, builds friendships...not to mention it provides an outlet away from screens and Disney.

And when she reaches middle and high school, she'll have an easier time in marching band.
 
My oldest (8) has brought up playing a guitar again. She mentioned it last year just before Christmas and we figured it was just a passing thing because one of her friends got a toy guitar for a birthday. Since she's still talking about it, I guess I'll have to break down and get one. Maybe next Christmas. It's just against my better judgement to give children things that promote extra noise and chaos in the house.

Seconding Vel. :) Get her the guitar. While I was doing dishes in the kitchen last night I could hear my middle daughters in the back of the house singing Tom Petty "Walls" with the guitar they stole from their older sister. Music is great...music coming from your own family is very gratifying. Do it! Do it! Do it!
 
Ours began with a guitar, but didn't play it much. She then picked up a ukulele and has done a good job with it. She has learned several songs and played them at school & church. Go for it...
 
My daughter is not yet 4 but she has had a ukulele for about a year and she loves strumming it and making up songs (usually something about Batman or Flash or Green Lantern) to go with it. She even has a little microphone stand that she likes to sing in front of and put on her shows.

She's working on convincing us that she should start guitar lessons immediately but we are going to wait a couple more years and just let her keep playing on her own and taking her to the occasional class at the library or community center playing random instruments with other groups of kids. Everybody we've talked to said to wait until she is at least 5 to start with organized lessons.
 
Instrumental music is a good thing, and a guitar is a nice entry point. I've heard that ukelele is easier. (My choices were mandolin, then fiddle.)

FWIW, I am celebrating the 40th anniversary of my switch to brass (from flute) all year, a path that changed my life and I'm still following. (Last weekend I played with other college alumni and friends on a float in a big parade. July 4: two local parades.) Playing an instrument helps build neural pathways, assists with life management skills, builds friendships...not to mention it provides an outlet away from screens and Disney.

And when she reaches middle and high school, she'll have an easier time in marching band.

My daughter is not yet 4 but she has had a ukulele for about a year and she loves strumming it and making up songs (usually something about Batman or Flash or Green Lantern) to go with it. She even has a little microphone stand that she likes to sing in front of and put on her shows.

She's working on convincing us that she should start guitar lessons immediately but we are going to wait a couple more years and just let her keep playing on her own and taking her to the occasional class at the library or community center playing random instruments with other groups of kids. Everybody we've talked to said to wait until she is at least 5 to start with organized lessons.

I'm actually all for kids learning an instrument. It makes you a more interesting person and teaches you to better appreciate art, or at least music. I just keep thinking about the bongos my brother sent the kids one year. Gee thanks for that one. I vowed to send the noisiest kids toy I could find when he had kids - he never did. Damn unsatisfied revenge. I'll most likely get her the guitar and the Florida Georgia Line cd that she doesn't know should be coming out by Christmas. Yeah, she likes country music in a house of rock fans?!? I guess every kid is allowed to annoy their parents with their music somehow.

As far as lessons, I've heard the same thing. We actually thought about getting her started last year, but she started tennis and we weren't sure if she would follow through or if this was just her latest desire like every toy from every commercial. Besides, I'll be at work most of the day so I won't have to hear it as often as my wife.
 
I too am on the pro-instrument band-wagon (pun intended).

We have a piano and a drum set for our oldest. He has taken a few lessons, but nothing steady. I have given him drum lessons on a regular basis and he he getting good at his paradiddles and ratamacues. Open roll is still not there yet.
 
My son started with piano lessons where he was seven. He gets better every year and in about the last year we don't even have to make him practice. He will just sit down a couple times a day and play for five minutes or so, then goes with something else. At his last recitial he played "Piano Man," and, pardon a proud papa, he played it without a clunker or a pause. He also knows "Rockin' Pneumonia" and a few other song by heart. He can whip out "Happy Birthday" when the time comes it is needed.

He also play saxophone in the middle school band. In sixth grade the kids were required to either take chorus or band. I was surprised how quickly he picked that up. I don't think it was three weeks in before he was making good notes. The saxophone is something we have to make him practice. In eighth grade band is an elective and my son decided to do it for a third year. I don't think he will play sax in high school, but who knows. he says he would like to learn the guitar.

I think playing music is great for a kid. Especially the piano or the guitar. Those are intruments you find in a lot of homes, hotels and bars. So if your kid learns piano or guitar, then he or she can at a party or something play a little something and people will be impressed. Might even get the kid a date.

My son has sat down at pianos in Glacier Park lobbies and play a few tunes. People always said nice things. Might be a little different now that he is a teen and not a cute little boy.

I also think playing a music instrument is good exercise for the brain.
 
My son has sat down at pianos in Glacier Park lobbies and play a few tunes. People always said nice things. Might be a little different now that he is a teen and not a cute little boy.

As a non-musical person, I'm still impressed when a teen or adult of either gender or degree of attractiveness does this. If there is a piano around and we are milling about a hotel lobby before the start of a conference, my boss will often sit down and start playing (usually some jazz or classical) and I'm usually not the only one who looks impressed.
 
As a non-musical person, I'm still impressed when a teen or adult of either gender or degree of attractiveness does this. If there is a piano around and we are milling about a hotel lobby before the start of a conference, my boss will often sit down and start playing (usually some jazz or classical) and I'm usually not the only one who looks impressed.

I agree... I was walking though the lobby of a hotel once and some 20-something in shorts, T-shirt, and a hat was playing something amazing on the piano (something classical that I did not reorganize). A bunch of us stopped to watch as he finished up. Everyone gave him a round of applause as he picked up his backpack and started walking with his girl friend. They were heading the same direction and we could hear her say "I did not know you knew how to play piano. What other secrets have you been hiding these past months." I thought to my self MONTHS? He has a gift like that and it is taking him months to play for her, or even mention it?
 
As a non-musical person, I'm still impressed when a teen or adult of either gender or degree of attractiveness does this. If there is a piano around and we are milling about a hotel lobby before the start of a conference, my boss will often sit down and start playing (usually some jazz or classical) and I'm usually not the only one who looks impressed.

Whenever I try this at Von Maur I am asked to leave immediately. I guess they just don't appreciate my renditions of Chopsitcks and Heart and Soul.
 
Well, it looks like we have treatment schedule all set for our middle son. He will go to a therapy pre-school setting 3 half-days a week where they will focus on socialization with other special needs children, and one on one therapy 2 half-days a week. It will be strange having him out of the house so much.

Our youngest just started crawling and can stand up when he holds onto stuff. This morning our middle son and youngest were standing next to each other and we noticed that they were just about the same size... yet they are about 20 months apart.
 
My son woke me at midnight, asking if a girl who had been thrown out of her house could sleep at our house. He said that he was concerned about the possibility of her having to spend all night outside. I told him "No", and feel pretty guilty about it this morning. Guilty feelings aside, I couldn't call off work today because there would be a girl in the house with my son, nor did I want to lock away things of value (including him..). Last night didn't seem to be the first night that she wasn't allowed in her house (if that was the truth), so I offered to drive her to the place where she slept on Saturday night. She wasn't allowed to sleep there, either.

A few years ago, this girl would show up at my house while I was at work, and I had to tell her more than once not to come around if I wasn't at home. I felt as though allowing her to stay would make her feel like she could start hanging out at my place during the day, and I don't want that.

I feel that I made the right decision for my household, and hope that she's OK this morning. I'd have probably opened my home to one of his male friends. I tried to find a phone listing for her parents, but there isn't one. I wonder if I should have reported this to the police, because she's under 18.
 
My son woke me at midnight, asking if a girl who had been thrown out of her house could sleep at our house. He said that he was concerned about the possibility of her having to spend all night outside. I told him "No", and feel pretty guilty about it this morning. Guilty feelings aside, I couldn't call off work today because there would be a girl in the house with my son, nor did I want to lock away things of value (including him..). Last night didn't seem to be the first night that she wasn't allowed in her house (if that was the truth), so I offered to drive her to the place where she slept on Saturday night. She wasn't allowed to sleep there, either.

A few years ago, this girl would show up at my house while I was at work, and I had to tell her more than once not to come around if I wasn't at home. I felt as though allowing her to stay would make her feel like she could start hanging out at my place during the day, and I don't want that.

I feel that I made the right decision for my household, and hope that she's OK this morning. I'd have probably opened my home to one of his male friends. I tried to find a phone listing for her parents, but there isn't one. I wonder if I should have reported this to the police, because she's under 18.

That does sound like a difficult situation. Can you call family services to see if this girl can get help? Is there a reason that she was kicked out of her house? I do think that you are making the right decision not letting her stay at your house when you are not home. If she is doing something resulting in her being kicked out of all these places, you don't what her to be a negative influence on your son. If you are there, you can at least mitigate any potential issues.
 
My son woke me at midnight, asking if a girl who had been thrown out of her house could sleep at our house. He said that he was concerned about the possibility of her having to spend all night outside. I told him "No", and feel pretty guilty about it this morning. Guilty feelings aside, I couldn't call off work today because there would be a girl in the house with my son, nor did I want to lock away things of value (including him..). Last night didn't seem to be the first night that she wasn't allowed in her house (if that was the truth), so I offered to drive her to the place where she slept on Saturday night. She wasn't allowed to sleep there, either.

A few years ago, this girl would show up at my house while I was at work, and I had to tell her more than once not to come around if I wasn't at home. I felt as though allowing her to stay would make her feel like she could start hanging out at my place during the day, and I don't want that.

I feel that I made the right decision for my household, and hope that she's OK this morning. I'd have probably opened my home to one of his male friends. I tried to find a phone listing for her parents, but there isn't one. I wonder if I should have reported this to the police, because she's under 18.

That is one of the toughest. My oldest daughter had a "friend" who was always having trouble with her divorced parents. She stayed at our house a lot and was actually a really bad influence on my daughter and the other kids, and kind of a trouble-maker. It resolved itself, but I was at a point where I was ready to tell her we were done. You did the best you could with a tough situation, and you have zip time to figure out what's really going on so you just make the best decision you can for your family. Don't lose sleep. :)
 
That does sound like a difficult situation. Can you call family services to see if this girl can get help? Is there a reason that she was kicked out of her house? I do think that you are making the right decision not letting her stay at your house when you are not home. If she is doing something resulting in her being kicked out of all these places, you don't what her to be a negative influence on your son. If you are there, you can at least mitigate any potential issues.

I agree. It sounds like before there were some bad choices made (or potential to be made) if you had to talk to her about not coming over if you weren't home. Also, it sounds like there are other issues going on with her that need to be dealt with more than one night stay on your couch.
 
I agree. It sounds like before there were some bad choices made (or potential to be made) if you had to talk to her about not coming over if you weren't home. Also, it sounds like there are other issues going on with her that need to be dealt with more than one night stay on your couch.

I agree as well. I'd feel sorry for the kid, but her issues are beyond what you can help with. Plus, you need to do the thinking for your son. He may not seeing things clearly.
 
Thanks to all of you. I'm ok with the way I handled this, but I felt awful about leaving a 17 year-old girl on the street overnight. As it turns out, she stayed with a friend, but I don't think that she's gone home yet.
 
I don't think anything saddens me more than watching innocence slip away. Painted wings and giant rings make way for other toys.:(
 
Day Care

I get mighty peeved when people complain about how much they pay for day care for their kid(s). Full disclosure: my wife works in a day care.

I just wanna tell them: "Hey, my wife works for little more than minimum wage. She probably spends as much time, if not more time, taking care of your little muffin as you do. She feeds him, changes his diapers and plays with him. All the while you are at work. And a lot of time when you have the day off, you still take him to daycare for my wife to take care of. And when your child is sick, you bring him to daycare because you don't want to stay home with him, so then he infects other kids and my wife has to call you to pick up your child. I understand you may have to work to provide for your family. Just don't complain about the cost of having your child taken care of by someone who is licensed by the state and trained as a child care worker. Have you taken classes on CPR, nutrition, and first aid? Do you annually get tested for communicable diseases? Do you have to have annaul background checks. Do you have a license that qualifies you to care for children? My wife is probably better qualified to take care of your little muffin than you are. My wife is standing in for you while you are away."

So quit bitching. Be grateful that women like my wife are willing to assume part of your responsibility to your children. Sure child care is expensive, and it should be. Isn't your child worth it?
 
I get mighty peeved when people complain about how much they pay for day care for their kid(s). Full disclosure: my wife works in a day care.

I just wanna tell them: "Hey, my wife works for little more than minimum wage. She probably spends as much time, if not more time, taking care of your little muffin as you do. She feeds him, changes his diapers and plays with him. All the while you are at work. And a lot of time when you have the day off, you still take him to daycare for my wife to take care of. And when your child is sick, you bring him to daycare because you don't want to stay home with him, so then he infects other kids and my wife has to call you to pick up your child. I understand you may have to work to provide for your family. Just don't complain about the cost of having your child taken care of by someone who is licensed by the state and trained as a child care worker. Have you taken classes on CPR, nutrition, and first aid? Do you annually get tested for communicable diseases? Do you have to have annaul background checks. Do you have a license that qualifies you to care for children? My wife is probably better qualified to take care of your little muffin than you are. My wife is standing in for you while you are away."

So quit bitching. Be grateful that women like my wife are willing to assume part of your responsibility to your children. Sure child care is expensive, and it should be. Isn't your child worth it?

Well said.
 
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I get mighty peeved when people complain about how much they pay for day care for their kid(s). Full disclosure: my wife works in a day care.

I just wanna tell them: "Hey, my wife works for little more than minimum wage. She probably spends as much time, if not more time, taking care of your little muffin as you do. She feeds him, changes his diapers and plays with him. All the while you are at work. And a lot of time when you have the day off, you still take him to daycare for my wife to take care of. And when your child is sick, you bring him to daycare because you don't want to stay home with him, so then he infects other kids and my wife has to call you to pick up your child. I understand you may have to work to provide for your family. Just don't complain about the cost of having your child taken care of by someone who is licensed by the state and trained as a child care worker. Have you taken classes on CPR, nutrition, and first aid? Do you annually get tested for communicable diseases? Do you have to have annaul background checks. Do you have a license that qualifies you to care for children? My wife is probably better qualified to take care of your little muffin than you are. My wife is standing in for you while you are away."

So quit bitching. Be grateful that women like my wife are willing to assume part of your responsibility to your children. Sure child care is expensive, and it should be. Isn't your child worth it?

This is a product of the American family getting the shaft when it comes to salary increases and their fair share of economic gains. I agree that childcare workers should be treated better and paid a fair living wage for all that they do.

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In other news, my eldest son moved out in May, the younger boy moved out (to go to grad school) this week.

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Because I have many, many children I am a long ways away from the day there are no more kids in my home, but I will confess anyway that the idea of living alone with my wife sort of terrifies me a little.

What's it like, all of you who know? What do you hope it's like, all of you who don't? Ladies, does the idea of living alone with one of us (I mean men, not Cyburbians) seem terrifying or maybe just smelly and boring?


and finally, Doohickie, how's it been so far? Enjoying it?
 
What's it like, all of you who know? What do you hope it's like, all of you who don't? Ladies, does the idea of living alone with one of us (I mean men, not Cyburbians) seem terrifying or maybe just smelly and boring?

I've lived with a man... and I've lived under the same roof as my kid-brother who is 14 years younger than me (though I admit was not primarily responsible for his survival). Neither are great options. Living with myself is the best.

woops, I thought this was RTDNTOTO... I'm not supposed to be in here! Sorry!
 
I've lived with a man... and I've lived under the same roof as my kid-brother who is 14 years younger than me (though I admit was not primarily responsible for his survival). Neither are great options. Living with myself is the best.

woops, I thought this was RTDNTOTO... I'm not supposed to be in here! Sorry!

No woops necessary. Legit answer to the question. You are your own best roommate. :)
 
and finally, Doohickie, how's it been so far? Enjoying it?

It's an adjustment. This is our second stint. My sons are 27 and (next week) 24. The older boy was straight As in high school but bonked in college, dropping out after his first year. Having to never work hard, he encountered some harsh realities that year and didn't handle them well. In fact, it took several years of psychologist visits and pharmacological help before his head was screwed on right again. Anyway, a few years ago my wife's sister got him a job in Albany, NY, and he lived up there for about a year while my younger son was away at college for his undergrad. When he moved up to Albany we were at our wit's end with him and were glad to get him out of the house.

Like I said, though, he came back to Fort Worth and was home for a couple years - he got a certification as a pharmacy tech, got a job at Walgreens and has worked there ever since. I didn't feel that urgent need to kick his ass out of the house this time around; he was earning money and it was kind of nice having an adult that could let workmen into the house while my wife and I worked (even though he was working, he's at a 24 hour Walgreens and works various shifts). It was nice also that the dogs had someone home with them a lot of the time.

He bought a brand new car (a Fiesta) last fall to replace the nearly 20-year-old Escort he's been driving. He got his own apartment a few miles away in May. I think he's ready this time. I suspect he will go back to college at this point, but it will be on his dime this time (with maybe just a bit of help from us if he needs it).

The other boy finished his undergrad in music at Texas Wesleyan in December and after a short and unsuccessful (and not very enthusiastic) job search, decided that he would start grad school in the fall. He got accepted at the University of North Texas about 50 miles away, in their masters of library science program (mind you, this is the kid that started out in special ed because he couldn't talk before he turned 4 and had other developmental and learning problems). Funny that he may be the first in the family to earn a masters degree. While the wife and I were on vacation the last two weeks he stayed home and watched the dogs, got his financial aid at UNT laid flat and landed a cashier job at Target to pay for his schooling (and has an interview tomorrow with the UNT music dept. for a gig teaching beginning piano).

So they're both on their way. I couldn't be happier, seeing them get out on their own. My regret is that as the school year spools up (my wife teaches American History at a local high school), the dogs will be home alone during the day and one or the other of us will need to hurry home every night and let them out, feed them, let them out, etc. The older boy is still local and I'm going to encourage him to visit the dogs on the weekdays he has off or works a late shift. He and I don't always see eye to eye and I recognize his need to do his own thing though, so I won't depend on that.

My wife is a little bluesy right now; it's kind of quiet around here. I'm kind of looking forward to her and I getting reacquainted without the boys around (the vacation with just the two of us was a great start). We share a common hobby, cycling, although her idea of cycling is much slower than my typical pace. But we do get out for a "bike date" now and again and explore the city and grab a bite to eat or an ice cream. For myself, I ride with a couple of cycling groups so I've got plenty to distract me. But it'll still be an adjustment for both of us.
 
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My wife is a little bluesy right now; it's kind of quiet around here. I'm kind of looking forward to her and I getting reacquainted without the boys around (the vacation with just the two of us was a great start). We share a common hobby, cycling, although her idea of cycling is much slower than my typical pace. But we do get out for a "bike date" now and again and explore the city and grab a bite to eat or an ice cream. For myself, I ride with a couple of cycling groups so I've got plenty to distract me. But it'll still be an adjustment for both of us.

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