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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Raising Children Thread

Yeah, my first visit to the police station didn't go so well. But then I was 19 and drunk.

Several of my boys from High School were assigned to the same firehouse here in Detroit. I visited the place drunk one night when I was about 19. @ that time some of the firemen had had a few pops as well. We spent about a half hour running up the stairs and sliding down the pole. I don't recall much else about that night, but it was great fun!
 
Both of my sons called and wished me a happy father's day. I worry about my youngest. He moved to North Dakota. He admits to struggling with drug abuse issues. This dad worries.
 
Both of my sons called and wished me a happy father's day. I worry about my youngest. He moved to North Dakota. He admits to struggling with drug abuse issues. This dad worries.

Glad to hear they called. Not so great news from your younger one, but at least he admits there is a problem. Having had several family members struggle with drugs and alcohol that was the turnaround point for them. Just be there, but don't enable or excuse their actions/behavior.
 
My big brother has a lot to be proud of late. His daughter had a lot of things to overcome that was none of her fault and she not only persevered; she achieved greatly in spite of her challenges.
His daugther was born with Mobius syndrome, which is a birth defect that results in the absence of the sixth and seventh facial cranial nerve. These nerves control eye movements and facial expressions. Children born with this defect often cannot speak or have great difficulty doing so. They also live their lives incapable of exhibiting facial expressions.
When she was young, my brother worked with her to teach her how to speak. Her doctors were astonished that she was able to not only learn to speak but to speak well. This was no doubt in a large part due to my brother's efforts.
She graduated from high school at the top of her class. She got scholarships to LSU and San Francisco University, studying psychology, then went on to Brown for her masters, and this month graduated with her Ph.D in psychology from Tufts University. Soon she will go on to a position as a professor at Oregon State University- Corvallis. Also she married a great guy.
He was a crappy big brother when I was a kid, but I gotta give him credit for being a Hall of Fame dad.

It sounds like your big brother is a great dad! Your niece is lucky she had him for a dad - I don't think she'd be so far along if he hadn't put in the time and effort to get her started off on the right foot.
 
We had our first incident of "Creeper Alert" in our new neighborhood.

My 9 year old was out riding her bike yesterday afternoon and this gray hatchback was slowly going down the street, pulling into multiple driveways along the way. My daughter said he had a camera, but she couldn't tell what he was doing. Smartly, she just went inside to tell my wife. I told my wife maybe it was the local assessing department updating pics of new homes, but she didn't think so.

I'm proud of my daughter because she trusted her instincts. We've had the stranger talk with her and her sister before, but it was good to have it reinforced.

I've always talked to them about the difference between being nice to strangers and trusting strangers. Hopefully, this douchbag doesn't roll through my neighborhood again, or he'll have some explaining to do.
 
My "kid" is 19 so maybe we no longer qualify for this thread, but..... I am thoroughly pissed that I was at Office Max yesterday and they had a sign inside that they were looking for people for the copy center (not in the paper or on monster) and the kid just blew it off. His excuse tonight: "You have no idea how rejected I felt when I applied at X, Y, and Z, and they said "You have no experience."" For gods sake, he's smart, can be personable, has to just keep trying, like none of us has ever been "rejected". :-{
 
Waiting for the scream-fest when he discovers I shut down the Netflix streaming account. Hope RJ isn't hoping for a good night's sleep.

Well, that was ugly.
 
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We had our first incident of "Creeper Alert" in our new neighborhood.

My 9 year old was out riding her bike yesterday afternoon and this gray hatchback was slowly going down the street, pulling into multiple driveways along the way. My daughter said he had a camera, but she couldn't tell what he was doing. Smartly, she just went inside to tell my wife. I told my wife maybe it was the local assessing department updating pics of new homes, but she didn't think so.

I was thinking the same thing about the assesing dept. But that is smart of her to be skeptical. You should call the city just to check.

On a different note, we are getting into the formative years with your oldest, and when we tell him to do something or ask a question, the appropriate response is yes sir, no sir, yes ma' am, no ma'am . I admit this might be way old school, but in today's society, I fear that there is too much bad out there not to run a strict house.
 
...we are getting into the formative years with your oldest, and when we tell him to do something or ask a question, the appropriate response is yes sir, no sir, yes ma' am, no ma'am .

Good for you. My kids address elders as "Sir" and "Ma'am". I'll make them address me as "Ma'am" when they're getting mouthy. I was raised by a former Marine and Southerner (or Midwesterner, depending who you ask. ;)". "Sir" and "Ma'am" was expected, and we were never permitted to refer to Mom using a pronoun.
 
Waiting for the scream-fest when he discovers I shut down the Netflix streaming account. Hope RJ isn't hoping for a good night's sleep.

Well, that was ugly.

My nephew has been giving my mom and her husband a run for quite a while, being disrespectful, mouthy, not helping around the house, thinking the world revolves around him, being disruptive, feeling he can come and go as he pleased, etc. and then thought it was ok to come back and act sweet as sugar until the whole cycle started again. He turned 18 during the last quarter of his senior year and so the hammer came down: house keys were taken away so he had to be in the house by curfew or he had to find somewhere else to sleep, all gaming systems were removed from the house and the computer had restricted access, nothing beyond food and shelter were provided to him. He did graduate high school in June and after publicly cussing out my mom we as a family decided that he needed to move out, several offers from various extended family were made but he chose to move in with a friend.

I am not saying to put him out but at this point you are only enabling the situation. He didn't want to go to the regular high school, then he didn't want to go to the alternative school, finally he got his GED and drivers license after a lot of pushing and prodding. He still gets to sit at home, play video games, sit on the internet, watch movies all day, and doesn't do much else that is positive for you on a consistent basis.

You have to be firm, tell him you have 30-60 days to get a job or enroll in school or both. There will be no more internet or games. He will keep his room acceptably clean. He will help out around the house. If he doesn't then he needs to fully understand the consequences of not doing so. if he doesn't want to go to school send him to Job Corps so he can learn a job skill, some life skills, a stipend, and learn how easy he's had it. Take a visit to the local military recruiter as well and talk about opportunities in the service.

RT and I had a come-to-jeebus meeting at the end of the spring semester after a year of lackluster academic performance. I can't justify that much expense out of my budget for mediocrity. The agreement is she moved home, enrolled in community college at her expense for the upcoming year, she reimburse me for the three courses she got C's and D's in, and worked full time in summer/part time during the semester. She also decided to speak to a Navy recruiter on her own to see what opportunities she might have there if she felt that now was not the time for her to be in college. I provide shelter, food, her cell phone, and health insurance. The rest is up to her. Like I told her, "I can't want it for you, you have to want it for yourself."

You have to parent the kid you have, not the one you wish you had.

Hang in there.
 
I wasn't sure where to put this...

..but it is about our attempt to raise a child. On Sunday, July 8th I found out that I had lost another pregnancy, this time at 16wks. Apparently the baby had died on July 4th but we didn't find out until a trip to the ER on Sunday. We are heartbroken. This is our 3rd loss in 1 1/2 years. There was no obvious cause of the fetal demise (such a cold, medical term) but it was different from the first 2 losses. Which means that either I have horrible luck or something more complex is going on.

No amount of bunnies will fix the sadness and heartbreak that I feel. Today is my first day back in the office and I just want to go home. Fighting with HUD over a 30-yr old loan and getting yelled at by City Council members just seem so pointless.



Sorry for being so heavy but wanted to share with my "friends".
 
..but it is about our attempt to raise a child. On Sunday, July 8th I found out that I had lost another pregnancy, this time at 16wks. Apparently the baby had died on July 4th but we didn't find out until a trip to the ER on Sunday. We are heartbroken. This is our 3rd loss in 1 1/2 years. There was no obvious cause of the fetal demise (such a cold, medical term) but it was different from the first 2 losses. Which means that either I have horrible luck or something more complex is going on.

No amount of bunnies will fix the sadness and heartbreak that I feel. Today is my first day back in the office and I just want to go home. Fighting with HUD over a 30-yr old loan and getting yelled at by City Council members just seem so pointless.



Sorry for being so heavy but wanted to share with my "friends".

Dandy,

I am so, so sorry, I don't know what more I could say? My sympathies to you and your family at this sad time.
 
..but it is about our attempt to raise a child. On Sunday, July 8th I found out that I had lost another pregnancy, this time at 16wks. Apparently the baby had died on July 4th but we didn't find out until a trip to the ER on Sunday. We are heartbroken. This is our 3rd loss in 1 1/2 years. There was no obvious cause of the fetal demise (such a cold, medical term) but it was different from the first 2 losses. Which means that either I have horrible luck or something more complex is going on.

No amount of bunnies will fix the sadness and heartbreak that I feel. Today is my first day back in the office and I just want to go home. Fighting with HUD over a 30-yr old loan and getting yelled at by City Council members just seem so pointless.



Sorry for being so heavy but wanted to share with my "friends".

I'm so very very sorry to hear about your loss.
 
..but it is about our attempt to raise a child. On Sunday, July 8th I found out that I had lost another pregnancy, this time at 16wks. Apparently the baby had died on July 4th but we didn't find out until a trip to the ER on Sunday. We are heartbroken. This is our 3rd loss in 1 1/2 years. There was no obvious cause of the fetal demise (such a cold, medical term) but it was different from the first 2 losses. Which means that either I have horrible luck or something more complex is going on.

No amount of bunnies will fix the sadness and heartbreak that I feel. Today is my first day back in the office and I just want to go home. Fighting with HUD over a 30-yr old loan and getting yelled at by City Council members just seem so pointless.



Sorry for being so heavy but wanted to share with my "friends".

Words mean nothing at a time like this. I wish I could just give you a hug.
 
So sorry, Dandy! We went through a similar scenario though the third time it stuck. But its heavy and difficult and disturbing and there's not much more to say except that it looks like Cyburbia's got your back. My thoughts are with you! :(
 
I wish there were something to say. We're all thinking of you, and wishing it had gone differently.
 
..but it is about our attempt to raise a child. On Sunday, July 8th I found out that I had lost another pregnancy, this time at 16wks. Apparently the baby had died on July 4th but we didn't find out until a trip to the ER on Sunday. We are heartbroken. This is our 3rd loss in 1 1/2 years. There was no obvious cause of the fetal demise (such a cold, medical term) but it was different from the first 2 losses. Which means that either I have horrible luck or something more complex is going on.

No amount of bunnies will fix the sadness and heartbreak that I feel. Today is my first day back in the office and I just want to go home. Fighting with HUD over a 30-yr old loan and getting yelled at by City Council members just seem so pointless.



Sorry for being so heavy but wanted to share with my "friends".

My thoughts and prayers with you dandy. I know how hard this can be. My wife lost 3 pregnancies before we were successful with our 2 boys.
 
You know you will always have support here. I am so sorry for your loss...:(
 
..but it is about our attempt to raise a child. On Sunday, July 8th I found out that I had lost another pregnancy, this time at 16wks. Apparently the baby had died on July 4th but we didn't find out until a trip to the ER on Sunday. We are heartbroken. This is our 3rd loss in 1 1/2 years. There was no obvious cause of the fetal demise (such a cold, medical term) but it was different from the first 2 losses. Which means that either I have horrible luck or something more complex is going on.

No amount of bunnies will fix the sadness and heartbreak that I feel. Today is my first day back in the office and I just want to go home. Fighting with HUD over a 30-yr old loan and getting yelled at by City Council members just seem so pointless.



Sorry for being so heavy but wanted to share with my "friends".

I am so sorry Dandy
 
Well, hard to jumpstart this thread after Dandy's sad news. I'm still feeling that sadness and hope the Mr. And Mrs are doing ok.

But I am also wrestling with some other kid-related issues and thought I would throw it out there:

My daughter started first grade this week and it has come to everyone’s attention that she is a good deal behind in her reading. She had been struggling a bit at the end of last year, but developmentally that seemed within the range of normal and we were not concerned. Over the summer we tried to work on it some more but she also put up some walls and started to get a little uptight about it all so we backed off. Now that she is in school with peers she has realized herself that she is behind.

Yesterday she came home and said “I don’t want to be the only first grader who can’t read!”

Break my heart in a million pieces why don’t you?

So, we’re trying to work with the school and also at home on building up her skills. In reading through some literature on this, I see that she indeed has many characteristics common to people who have “reading difficulties” but am not sure what to do beyond what we already are. In addition to wanting to bring her up to speed, I also worry about the implications of this later. Girls with reading difficulties are more prone to depression later and tend to begin withdrawing toward late elementary school as the loss of self-esteem sets in.

From my lay-person’s assessment, I don’t think we are dealing with dyslexia or ADD as she does not exhibit many of the other symptoms. Anyone else wrestled or is wrestling with reading or learning challenges? What has been your experience?

Her brother, who is almost 12, is a voracious reader and a bit of a brainiac, so I don’t think that helps matters either (though she is WAY more coordinated than him, even at their 5 year difference…). She’s actually way ahead of her peers in math (and ahead of her brother at this age) but the words are really giving her a lot of trouble. And that’s troubling me.
 
My youngest girl Addie just finished first grade and was behind at the start of the year. She was bothered by it as well. I feel for you, it does break your heart. Their stories could be identical - good in math, she's physically well coordinated, bright, creative. She just struggled reading. I noticed that she had a hard time moving from the sounds of the letter to reading the whole word - and she struggled and struggled with the "sight words".

There wasn't a magic bullet, but she is caught up now. Honestly all I did was be willing to let her read some books that she liked the most (really really simple ones, even when she was doing better) to help it become more "automatic", you know? Also, flash cards of the sight words and I tried not to push her too hard when she was done for a night.

I'm sure your daughter will pick it up just fine. First grade, the kids are all over the map in reading. It just comes a little slower to some, so stay positive so that she will, too.

:)
 
My daughter started first grade this week and it has come to everyone’s attention that she is a good deal behind in her reading. . . . Anyone else wrestled or is wrestling with reading or learning challenges? What has been your experience?

Wahday,

I know what you are going through. I have the same issue with my son. He is a very bright kid - excels in math and science. A's and B's always, even in reading.

But he doesn't like to read. It is a battle almost every night. What has worked for us is we have him read 30 minutes a night five nights a week. His teacher also recommended that he read out loud for 15 of those 30 minutes. I must admit I am lax on that one. Having an angry kid read to you is no fun.

I don't care what it is. Sometimes he reads science. Some nights he reads Mad Magazine or a comic. Once he read the instruction manual of a computer.

Some kids are late bloomers. Some just never like to read. In the case of my son I think his problem is reading is hard for him (he has been tested and has no reading disabilty), so he doesn't want to do it.

I try to lead my example - being a voracious reader, but he is unimpressed.

Keep at it. Read to her. Make her read to you. I wish I could say it is going to get easier. I've been working on this isuse since he was in 4th grade and he is heading to middle school.
 
L-i-b-r-a-r-y

What springs to mind is taking Wee Wahday to the local library, and making friends with the children's librarian. When I was a kid, I was fond of the Marguerite Henry series, Nancy Drews, Lois Lenski, and other prolific authors who'd churn out "next installment" reads.

Googling "books for six year olds," in an attempt to contemporize this, brings up a cool list. Pippi Longstocking, Ramona Quimby, Stuart Little, Amelia Bedelia...the idea is to get her engaged in a series in which she'll want to turn the page.

Laura Ingalls is 6 in her first Little House book, and they have enough illustrations to be interesting, along with the descriptive text. (Making bullets, making soap, a latchstring entry handle...) Charlotte's Web (same illustrator as Little House books). Maybe American Girl books, although the protagonists are all 9yos.

The children's librarian can offer her suggestions on what would be interesting and fun to read, along with a second opinion about the craft of literacy. Get her a library card, too.

HTH
 
While my daughter is way to young for me to worry about this yet, I like Veloise's suggestion of the Laura Ingall's books. Maybe if she can get going on something like that, that is serial in nature, it will help her to want to read more.

Beyond that, two of my nephews had very slight speech impediments when they were about that age, as did I, and they (and I), all spent some time with speech therapists in school. I don't really remember it (except practicing saying certain sounds over and over and over again) but my brother and sister both claim that their sons' reading ability caught up pretty quickly after that. I am no speech therapist, but I would think that hearing the word one way in your mind and come out a different way from your mouth might delay your reading ability.
 
I agree with WSU MUP Student that a slight speech impediment could be part of the problem, as both my kids had them, worked with therapists at school, and mom and dad at home, and overcame late reading issues to become voracious readers. I would also check to make sure her vision is okay, as my daughter needed glasses. While Elena's on the cusp of 13 now, she has found a number of serials she enjoys and loads her Kindle the minute they are available and simply devours them.

Last, don't despair of the bad things that might happen later and focus on the superior math ability to keep her esteem high. Be engaged with her teachers as much as you think is necessary (daily if needs be). She'll get it soon enough.
 
We got the letter from my son's middle school, which gave us his class schedule, forms to sign, a map of the school and the list of things he will need.

Jeezus. gone are the days a parent bought a couple notebooks, looseleaf paper, a couple pens and a couple pencils to send a kid to school. The list included markers, colored pencils, Sharpies, a trapper keeper, pens, pencils, five notebooks, folders, dividers, and on and on. And of course he needed a new backpack to haul all this swag around. I got out of Walmart after spending what amounted to what we pay for a week's worth of groceries. JEEZUS.

I told my son I expected to see more A's than B's this year, for all the money I was shelling out. :-c Or else I would bill him $40 a quarter. :D

My parents were comfortably upper middle class. But I had a bookbag that lasted me from middle school to high school. And my supplies of pens, pencils, and paper was carefully guarded from the pilfering of brothers and a sister.

I vividly recall getting yelled at by my 7th grade math teacher, in front of the whole class, for doing my school work with a No. 3 pencil, because I didn't have a No. 2. She said No. 3 pencils were too light for school work and were meant for artists. And I was never going to be an artist! Thanks for that ego boost, Mrs. Ferrer. Your love of teaching and guiding students will always be an inspiration to me
 
Jeezus. gone are the days a parent bought a couple notebooks, looseleaf paper, a couple pens and a couple pencils to send a kid to school. The list included markers, colored pencils, Sharpies, a trapper keeper, pens, pencils, five notebooks, folders, dividers, and on and on. And of course he needed a new backpack to haul all this swag around. I got out of Walmart after spending what amounted to what we pay for a week's worth of groceries. JEEZUS.

Hey otterpop, all of this - Word. Except I gotta do it for 5 kids in school. Yikes. I'm not complaining though. I love school supplies. Fall makes me horny for school supplies. :)
 
Why do kids need Sharpies?

We got the letter from my son's middle school, which gave us his class schedule, forms to sign, a map of the school and the list of things he will need.

Jeezus. gone are the days a parent bought a couple notebooks, looseleaf paper, a couple pens and a couple pencils to send a kid to school. The list included markers, colored pencils, Sharpies, a trapper keeper, pens, pencils, five notebooks, folders, dividers, and on and on. ....

Permanent markers? Huh?
 
I vividly recall getting yelled at by my 7th grade math teacher, in front of the whole class, for doing my school work with a No. 3 pencil, because I didn't have a No. 2. She said No. 3 pencils were too light for school work and were meant for artists...

I never even knew that anything other than #2 pencils actually existed!
 
Holy buckets kids seem expensive. Why in the world would you willingly create a black-hole for money? We make more than the US average but I can not imagine how we would afford kids and continue to save for the future.
 
Holy buckets kids seem expensive. Why in the world would you willingly create a black-hole for money? We make more than the US average but I can not imagine how we would afford kids and continue to save for the future.

You can't really save for the future much with kids that's true. However, I do plan - in the future however broke I may be - to never ever be alone or bored. :)
 
Holy buckets kids seem expensive. Why in the world would you willingly create a black-hole for money? We make more than the US average but I can not imagine how we would afford kids and continue to save for the future.

The little tax deductions hardly seem worth it when you consider all the collateral expenses they incur.;)
 
Holy buckets kids seem expensive. Why in the world would you willingly create a black-hole for money? We make more than the US average but I can not imagine how we would afford kids and continue to save for the future.

I feel the same way about people who spend shitloads of money on personal entertainment, extensive travel, and fancy toys.

It really comes down to what you want out of life. For some, to be surrounded by a loving family as you move forward through life, takes precedence.

We just went school suppply shopping last night for our two daughers, and got out of there spending about $50. Now, a childless couple will go spend $50 for a night out at the bar without thinking about it. It really just comes down to how you choose to spend your money.

That being said, two kids for us is plenty.
 
Do y'all have to pay to rent your textbooks? We do here in the Hoosier state. But, yeah, tell me about it: besides paying property taxes, we foot the bill for a Catholic elementary and high school education, plus an iPad for the hs kid, calculators, supplies, text rental (for the elementarian), and the bill falls just under $18,000. OOOOOUUUUUUCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHH!:-c
 
Thanks for all the positive feedback. For the record, we read aloud as a family almost every night and my wife takes the kids to the library about once a week. They love it. Over the past year and a half, we have read ALL the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, a bunch of the Judy Blumes (those featuring Fudge along with some others), a few Beverly Cleary books and 4 of the Harry Potters. She loves big narrative books. What we realized just recently, though, is that this summer she was deferring to us reading these chapter books as a way to not have to wrestle with reading on her own. So, we are now trying to refocus on much shorter, simpler books and having her read to us. Its still very challenging for her and as I did a little more research about different reading issues, I see a lot of the common challenges present in her.

  • Pronouncing new words and remembering them
  • Breaking words apart into sounds
  • Blending sounds together to make words (this and the above are getting easier of late)
  • Can't remember words; sounds out the same word every time it occurs on the page (this is so distinct with her. Even if it was one or two words earlier, she just can’t make that connection that it’s the same word with the same pronunciation)
  • Frequently guesses at unknown words rather than sounding them out (when she reads to us, she often says every word as a question, looking to us for approval. I have been encouraging her to just read and jump in and don’t worry if its wrong or right - just take a stab at it)

I think it will ultimately be fine. I was one of those kids who had a love/hate relationship with reading. I had very high comprehension, but reading was (and to a certain extent still is) an exhausting enterprise. Recently my brother was describing some dynamic my nephew has where it is hard to focus on the line of text because your eyes are darting all over the page, being attracted to other words and mixing up the order of things. The field of words on a page is just too stimulating for some, making it hard to filter out in order to read. Once he described this, I realized “oh my gosh! That’s exactly what I feel like!” So, I probably have been wrestling with a similar challenge myself.

Anyway, we have engaged the school and are doing more reading at home and really trying to prop up her self-esteem which I think is critical to having the drive to continue working on the reading and not be discouraged. I’m just becoming aware of the possibility that we may need to seek some additional assistance or develop an alternative plan to get her up to speed.

I appreciate everyone’s input!

Holy buckets kids seem expensive. Why in the world would you willingly create a black-hole for money? We make more than the US average but I can not imagine how we would afford kids and continue to save for the future.

This made me laugh. Children are often not a “logical” decision so that’s part of it. A lot of emotion and "unexpected developments" are tied up with reproduction. Also, having kids IS a type of investment in the future – a future beyond your lifetime as they carry forth the values and experiences you provided. Its not monetary in nature, but still an investment of time, energy, values, etc. and I think a little of what Ursus was getting at in not being bored or alone (having cared for three dead and one dying parent, I see the value of having someone to deal with your crap). For me, I don’t have a lot of other plans for my money, so I figure the kids are the best investment anyway. But its not for everyone. I forgo a lot of things I might otherwise indulge. But then I get more out of kids than any device or experience or “thing” I can imagine. Plus the cost of children gets spread out over quite a long time.

But again, I think very few people do a cost-benefit analysis on children. If we all lived on farms, the payoff would be simpler to conceptualize - free labor!
 
Permanent markers? Huh?

Not exactly sure either. I am thinking that maybe with the new generation of cleaning supplies, you need permanent markers so your graffiti has some staying power.

Not only that, but they specified that the Sharpies had to be fine and ultra fine tipped.
 
Elementary school supply shopping sucked because every school RT attended all those supplies were collected and pooled together for the entire class. Middle and high school wasn't as bad. since she maintained her own pool of supplies and didn't have to share. I never bought the whole list, only the items that a specific teacher required (some get really anal about a specific 3 ring binder and dividers lol). The things that always made me mad was the end of the year when teachers were soliciting copy paper because the school was out....maybe if you didn't send 10K useless notices home?

RT had some significant reading issues that became readily apparent towards the end of 1st grade. We thought it might have to do with the class she was in with a young teacher and a lot of challenging kids making for a disruptive environment. We transferred schools after 1st grade and met with the principal of the new school to discuss our concerns. He was awesome and placed her with a veteran teacher and early intervention in the form of a special teacher that worked with her one on one twice a week. The special teacher was instrumental in unlocking the way that she learned and how she processed things. She's very much how you describe your daughter, wahday. Organization, notetaking, and practice, practice, practice were the things that helped her most. Her 2nd grade teacher taught a Grade 2/3 mixed class the following year and RT stayed with her. She did catch up with no lingering issues.
 
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