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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Raising Children Thread

this is merely a vent and warrants no response:

my 16 yo daughter now has a boyfriend - he's a nice looking fellow, a senior, an OUI from Homecoming last fall, a tennis player, an almost suspended license of speeding too many times, and is smitten with our daughter but other parents have said he's okay...

...so when she was an hour late from her first date "hiking" at the Nature Conservancy, and I went looking for her, and seeing his car not there, calling his house from a cell phone to find out from his Mom they were there, and, that our daughter needed to be home to go a French Conversation Club formed on our street FOR HER because SHE is going to France next month, and we had company over for our 10 yo's birthday dinner so I really didn't have time to go looking for her, well, you can say I was a little miffed, first scared, then mad, then I cried in the car - my husband was speechless he was so angry...she spaced is what she said - so I had to say when you go to Point A to Point B and I don't know what Point B is, I need a call and she is not to go to his house or ours with him unless a parent is home and she needs to keep her wits about her and not be irresponsible on a date and that if it happens again, we pick her up and bring her to where they are going and then pick her up afterwards...she said he feels bad about what happened and he also wants us to trust him even through his OUI so we'll see - I really want her to date in high school, she is 16, I had boyfriends by 16, and I have heard from other parents that he is a nice kid but I am worried that it’s our daughter that can’t think straight, and here she is, out during the day, hopefully no drinking and she still spaces? wth! – will she handle herself if the situation was more stressed?

:-c
 
luckless pedestrian said:
this is merely a vent and warrants no response:

my 16 yo daughter now has a boyfriend - he's a nice looking fellow, a senior, an OUI from Homecoming last fall, a tennis player, an almost suspended license of speeding too many times, and is smitten with our daughter but other parents have said he's okay...

...so when she was an hour late from her first date "hiking" at the Nature Conservancy, and I went looking for her, and seeing his car not there, calling his house from a cell phone to find out from his Mom they were there, and, that our daughter needed to be home to go a French Conversation Club formed on our street FOR HER because SHE is going to France next month, and we had company over for our 10 yo's birthday dinner so I really didn't have time to go looking for her, well, you can say I was a little miffed, first scared, then mad, then I cried in the car - my husband was speechless he was so angry...she spaced is what she said - so I had to say when you go to Point A to Point B and I don't know what Point B is, I need a call and she is not to go to his house or ours with him unless a parent is home and she needs to keep her wits about her and not be irresponsible on a date and that if it happens again, we pick her up and bring her to where they are going and then pick her up afterwards...she said he feels bad about what happened and he also wants us to trust him even through his OUI so we'll see - I really want her to date in high school, she is 16, I had boyfriends by 16, and I have heard from other parents that he is a nice kid but I am worried that it’s our daughter that can’t think straight, and here she is, out during the day, hopefully no drinking and she still spaces? wth! – will she handle herself if the situation was more stressed?

:-c
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i can see why you were/are upset. i don't think she spaced, she's testing her boundaries.

not that you asked, but i think you just need to remind her of what's expected of her and what the repercussions will be if she doesn't follow the rules. and don't be afraid to follow through.

when i was a freshman i got grounded for two weeks for getting a ride home from a senior and lying about it. learned my lesson on that one.
 
Maister said:
Junior demonstrated last night that at 3 years of age using two remotes he knows how to:. . .
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Maybe he could come over and show my wife how to do it. ;-)

My son is seven and a half and he has it mastered pretty well.

I keep the videos he is not reaady to watch in a box. He shows no interest in seeing them.
 
Maister, I keep my daughter's DVDs in a cute portable case that looks like a ladybug. She knows all her movies are in there and has shown no interest in getting into my movies in the cabinet under the tv.

LP, does your daughter have a cellphone? Maybe she needs one so you don't need to go to that much effort to track her down next time... Cause, there WILL be a next time. I did so much lying about my whereabouts when I was a teenager. I was never a freakin' hour late getting home, though. Sheesh... I don't blame you for being upset about that.
 
cch said:
LP, does your daughter have a cellphone? Maybe she needs one so you don't need to go to that much effort to track her down next time... Cause, there WILL be a next time. I did so much lying about my whereabouts when I was a teenager. I was never a freakin' hour late getting home, though. Sheesh... I don't blame you for being upset about that.
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Cellphone, with restrictions, is a good idea!! I was the opposite cch, I never lied about where I was going, was always with people my parents knew, and didn't drink or do anything crazy in high school, yet I was always late :-D I had, in my opinion, crazy curfews, like 10 on a weekend at 16. I think I could stay out until midnight for prom. But anyway, I never did anything but yet they were super strict. Then a few years later my sister comes along and her curfew is 1 on the weekends, etc. But whatever.....

If this was the first time it happens, you talked to her and take her word for it that it won't happen again. Maybe she did space, maybe she was embarrassed to have to say her parents wanted her home, or whatever. You called it to her attention, and now trust her to make it right. If she doesn't, time for more serious consequences.
 
Maister get a special case that Junior can hold his movies in and put the grown up movies out of reach.

lp the rant is completely warranted. Although I have a different opinion on dating, 15-16 is old enough to know where you are supposed to be at the appointed time. I don't think she spaced and I think as dandy pointed out she's testing her boundaries. A world class chewing out by you probably made her think a minute yesterday. If she doesn't have a phone, I would consider getting her one-the rule with R.T. is that if I call she must answer the phone. I'd also rethink her letting her ride with the young man due to his driving issues.

On a side note, we were all teenagers and some of us were pretty slick (or at least we thought so!) when it came to letting parents know where we were or what we were doing. Like cch I always came home on time because if I was late then I would not be getting out the house except for school/church for a long time.
 
lp, your daughter may also be trying to please the new boyfriend (more likely than "spacing out"); if he wanted to go by his house, she probably didn't say anything about being late, not wanting to sound like a "child" being monitored by her parents. Boyfriend needs to know up front what the rules are, from you or Mr lp.
 
btrage said:
As the parent of two young daughters.......I'm cringing at the above posts. :-c
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Planit said:
Me too! I'm scared to death.
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well, she is our first of three kids (girl, 10 and boy 4.5) so we just need to get used to all of this new layer of letting go...:-| ...and did I mention that she's pretty and is in good shape? :-o

it's funny, when they are little you are so thrilled with dressing them up and remarking on how pretty they are and then suddenly you say uh-oh to how pretty they are...

my husband however is not moving on too well (he can still barely speak about it - there were just so many layers to the day, it wasn't as simple as being an hour and a half late) and thinks we should ground her but I think we need to move forward and see how she does with him this weekend...it's sad too because we honestly rarely disagree about how to handle the kids (his delivery isn't as nice as mine but we are usually saying the same thing) :r:
 

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Currently, as the father of two very young boys, I say you better cringe about the future btrage and Planit. ;) :-D
 
I only agree with #4, which, is you think about it, is #1. ;-)

I can think of sensible, honorable and honest ways to handle each of the other four without bending the rules. Those ways can teach anyone how to handle rules that don't always seem to be fair.
 
Although I don't have a problem with #4, I don't think that you need to teach your kids those kind of skills. My philosophy with my kids was to:

1. Teach them that it's wrong to cheat, lie, steal, etc.
2. Teach them that it's o.k. to question and disagree with adults/superiors when it's done respectfully.
3. Teach them there are times when it's difficult to do that.
4. Teach them that they need to accept that there are sometimes consequences that seem more severe than the offense warrants but that's just the chance they're taking.
5. Teach them that if they get caught, 'fess up or the consequences will always be worse.
 
btrage said:
As the parent of two young daughters.......I'm cringing at the above posts. :-c
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Me too. It's scary thiking about how much my friends and I were (unsuccessfully) focused on girls even in middle school. I'm devising a plan to give them head gear, back braces and severe acne throughout their teenage years.
 
Seabishop said:
Me too. It's scary thiking about how much my friends and I were (unsuccessfully) focused on girls even in middle school. I'm devising a plan to give them head gear, back braces and severe acne throughout their teenage years.
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What about bad hair and glasses ?
 
I'm already preparing...

I have a son 15 and a daughter 12...I'm already working on what I'm going to tell the kids that date my daughter...I think it's going to go something like this...

Takes young man aside, puts arm on his shoulder...

"You see that little girl in there...yep, she's my reason for living, she's my whole world...she's the only reason I'm living right now -- so I can take care of her and make sure she's happy and OK...I love her more than anything I could ever say or you could ever think of, and if you remember one thing I'm telling you, remember this...I don't mind going back to prison..."
 
AnvilPartners said:
...I don't mind going back to prison..."
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LOL - my husband threatens our daughter with him having a gun cleaning night when he comes to pick her up - and our friend who happens to be the Police Chief has threatened her that he will join him - so the 2 of them sititng at the table saying

hello, no, really, come on in and take a seat, wanna beer, uh, no? okay...;-)

this boy did ask her what time she needs to be home tonight because he at least knows he needs to redeem himself by having a clue because she does not! :-@
 
Hormones somehow fog the brain. Or is it that the teen believes they are thinking clearly.

We have had bouts of lying. My responce is always "is that the best you can do?"
It really insults me if they can't even come up with a plausable lie.

Don't get me wrong I don't want them to lie.

But at least try to make up a story that might be possible.
The eldest of the two said she thought she had been dreaming about the officer pulling her over , while she had a passenger in the car.

The youngest said she had gone over to a friends house and fell asleep on the couch. ( The first day she got to drive to school). No she went 15 miles more to be with her boyfriend. OK we probably would not have known if she had gotten her self home after the end of the game. But NO she was over 1 1/2 hours after the game...

Ok, didn't realize I was going to be ranting.
 
'Teaching Moments'

My son has always been a good student, frequently A-B honor roll and he's missed All-A honor roll by a point here or there. He set a goal of being the first boy in his class to make the All-A honor roll. So ....

We had parent-teacher conferences yesterday and his teacher said 'good news, bad news' and I replied 'PE'. Yup, he had All-A honor roll scores in every subject but PE and therefore doesn't get recognized. (And shouldn't in my opinion.) He was positively crest-fallen when he learned the news.

We turned it into a teaching moment: he proved to himself that he can do the academic work to get there, but he can't slouch off anywhere. Still, Mrs G and I now worry that his previously-concealed frustration with PE may become open disdain and lead to real problems.

Thinking back on my own primary school years, I never, ever had to hand in a written assignment in PE (or its ugly step-children Health and Driver's Ed). The times have indeed changed.
 
This weekend we went to a friends house for dinner. The wife had been to Target and bought two pairs of fuzzy bunny ears...one for their daugther and one for mine. The girls loved them, put them on and had fun running around. My buddy and I saw them and just shook our heads. Mrs. P asked what was wrong to which I replied that I hope this wasn't a preview to their career. She didn't get it until my buddy said one word...pl@yboy.
 
Planit said:
This weekend we went to a friends house for dinner. The wife had been to Target and bought two pairs of fuzzy bunny ears...one for their daugther and one for mine. The girls loved them, put them on and had fun running around. My buddy and I saw them and just shook our heads. Mrs. P asked what was wrong to which I replied that I hope this wasn't a preview to their career. She didn't get it until my buddy said one word...pl@yboy.
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That isn't as bad as seeing my daughter shake her "booty" to some songs from the radio as my wife egged her on. I simply shook my head, and told her "thanks for the teenage years/college drunk party previews."
 
yesterday i was talking to a team mate who has a 4 month old little girl. apparently she thinks her daughter is eating too much so has decided to cut back. meanwhile the poor little thing is in the 50% percentile for weight and hasn't grown in length since her previous appointment. ummm, perhaps because she isn't getting enough to eat???!??!?!?!?!

i've never understood that. babies are supposed to eat. a lot. they need it to grow. because they are a baby.
 
dandy_warhol said:
yesterday i was talking to a team mate who has a 4 month old little girl. apparently she thinks her daughter is eating too much so has decided to cut back. meanwhile the poor little thing is in the 50% percentile for weight and hasn't grown in length since her previous appointment. ummm, perhaps because she isn't getting enough to eat???!??!?!?!?!

i've never understood that. babies are supposed to eat. a lot. they need it to grow. because they are a baby.
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Children under 2 or 3 should not have any restrictions on diet; like withholding regular milk and giving babies skim, if they're not nursing. Unless her baby is obese and she has been directed by a pediatrician to cut back on feedings, you are seeing a case of child neglect/abuse based on Mom's desire to have a skinny child. Some fats are crucial for brain development at that age. Sorry, but are you up to reporting child abuse/neglect to the appropriate agency?
 
I'm not raising him anymore, but my eldest son called this afternoon...he's now working at his second restaurant in Berkeley's gourmet ghetto---just down the street from Alice Waters' "Chez Panisse." Another upscale rustic Italian bistro with great reviews in the SF Chronicle. If you folks in the Bay Area want to drop a name ("RJ" won't work out there), and get a good table, send me a PM. I think I can arrange a little something.
 
RichmondJake said:
I'm not raising him anymore, but my eldest son called this afternoon...he's now working at his second restaurant in Berkeley's gourmet ghetto---just down the street from Alice Waters' "Chez Panisse." Another upscale rustic Italian bistro with great reviews in the SF Chronicle. If you folks in the Bay Area want to drop a name ("RJ" won't work out there), and get a good table, send me a PM. I think I can arrange a little something.
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RJ's sons are fine kids; and have been very sweet to my son and me, considering...

But the menus at those CA restaurants are freaking odd. Weird organ meats, veggies/terms nobody from FL can decipher. Don't get me wrong; the restaurant where his oldest worked before, we had a really nice dinner; only for 2 epicurean-limited people from FL, it was lucky there were a couple things on the menu we could read. Like "hamburger" and "french onion soup". Then the menu at his new place. I'm totally perplexed.
 
dandy_warhol said:
yesterday i was talking to a team mate who has a 4 month old little girl. apparently she thinks her daughter is eating too much so has decided to cut back. meanwhile the poor little thing is in the 50% percentile for weight and hasn't grown in length since her previous appointment. ummm, perhaps because she isn't getting enough to eat???!??!?!?!?!

i've never understood that. babies are supposed to eat. a lot. they need it to grow. because they are a baby.
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Wow, i have never heard of such a thing. Although we have been accused by my parents, my wife's folks and one time a nurse for "not adequately" feeding our daughter. She was never a big baby to begin with and has and is a "petite" child. She always fell well below her percentile in terms of weight, (because of this i deem the whole percentile business a bunch of woo hash) but it has always been proportionate to her height, and when she is hungry she can pack it down. Even today, my daughter is about 30 lbs and just about or over 3 feet and when to me she eats 3 balanced meals everyday, with 2 snacks in between, with no junk in the middle. A few months back my daughter had a sprained ankle from a fall she took (she's a climber) and i took her to the emergency room because i thought she broke it. The nurse at the urgent care clinic basically asked if we "fed" our child because she didn't look like the "normal" weight. My wife, a soon to be dietitian laid a new one on her explaining to her that just because she isn't a typical "chubby" baby doesn't mean she is not healthy and explained to her how diet and body type work. Needless to say we were both quite offended at this comment.

Now back to Dandy's situation. This is just horrible to withhold food because shes thinks the baby is "too fat". As ZG said babies should not have restriction on diet (however my wife will disagree with the whole milk thing, to which i go along, but our daughter is now a 1% milk gal as we have slowly transitioned her from whole milk to 1%) and need as much fatty protein as possible for development. I hate to be a brown noser, but have you tried talking to her? This can really stunt the growth of the child both physically and mentally. If nothing changes, maybe a call to CPS might need to be involved.
 
dandy_warhol said:
yesterday i was talking to a team mate who has a 4 month old little girl. apparently she thinks her daughter is eating too much so has decided to cut back. meanwhile the poor little thing is in the 50% percentile for weight and hasn't grown in length since her previous appointment. ummm, perhaps because she isn't getting enough to eat???!??!?!?!?!

i've never understood that. babies are supposed to eat. a lot. they need it to grow. because they are a baby.
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Some people really should just not have children. That said as ZG and CPSURaf pointed out, food intake restriction for an infant is not at all appropriate and constitutes child neglect in my book. Babies and toddlers need all the nutrients they can get in order to properly grown and develop both physically and mentally. I would gently talk to her about the issue even if you think she would be offended. It sounds like there are some bigger issues at play in that mom isn't getting the proper support she needs to take care of the baby. Having an infant is hard work-many of us have been there. I know I would have been dead in the water had it not been for my mom's assurances and sound advice.
 
dandy_warhol said:
yesterday i was talking to a team mate who has a 4 month old little girl. apparently she thinks her daughter is eating too much so has decided to cut back. meanwhile the poor little thing is in the 50% percentile for weight and hasn't grown in length since her previous appointment. ummm, perhaps because she isn't getting enough to eat???!??!?!?!?!

i've never understood that. babies are supposed to eat. a lot. they need it to grow. because they are a baby.
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If you won't call CYF, call the child's doctor or daycare provider. They both are required to report SUSPECTED child abuse. If you work or volunteer with children, you may also be required to report abuse.

If this woman will confide her diet strategy to you, she'll certainly tell you the names of the doctor or daycare.

Like others said, a good diet that includes good fat is necessary for growth and development.

I'm curious, is this mother thin, and concerned about her diet? It could be a bad pattern and she may pass it on to her child as she grows. Many parents comment on choldren's weight and pressure them to be a certain size.
 
thank you all for your concern. it is nice to know that children have so many advocates out there. team mates are a funny thing, i see this woman week after week, know she has a 4 month old baby, but don't know her last name, pediatrician or day care provider.

at this point i don't think it warrants a phone call. this conversation was a casual discussion before a game which leads me to believe it might've been more of an off-handed comment. having no kids of my own i don't think i'm qualified to comment on the feeding habits of a 4 month old. there is another woman on our team who has three young kids. i'll talk to her this week to get her opinion/view on the situation.

i think my bigger concern with the situation is that the mom isn't being truthful with the doctor. she said she's been supplementing with rice since two months b/c she didn't want to give the baby a 6oz bottle. now at four months the doc. said she could start feeding the baby baby food and the woman didn't tell her that she's been feeding baby food since two months.
 
dandy_warhol said:
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I can see it both ways. On the one hand, I was often accused of being a neurotic overprotective mom. Then my son was diagnosed with a serious medical condition. On the other hand, I delayed calling social services when I was in my twenties and wanted to wait to be sure it was really a neglectful/abusive situation. They moved before I felt confident about making the call. As they were moving out, it became clear to me that her husband made much better money than I had thought and, therefore, this was not likely a case of just not having the resources to do better by the child. I spent some time kicking myself over that.
 
dandy_warhol said:
i think my bigger concern with the situation is that the mom isn't being truthful with the doctor. she said she's been supplementing with rice since two months b/c she didn't want to give the baby a 6oz bottle. now at four months the doc. said she could start feeding the baby baby food and the woman didn't tell her that she's been feeding baby food since two months.
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I guess this mom hasn't ever read a baby book. Normally you don't start the kid on solids until at least 6 months, or until they appear interested (with my kid, it was almost a year). Some docs recommend a year if you're breast feeding. It can wreak havoc with their digestive system. You don't give a kid the wrong food because you can't be bothered to give them a bottle.

You can report people anonymously, you know. OK, that's all from me on this.
 
I'm amazed that children thrive and prosper with as many stoooopid parents as there are in this world.
 
There's always a surprise! Today I was talking with the kid about going to central FL when school's out. Discovered his old buddy Brandon is now smoking dope and hanging with a bad crowd, and when we were there in January, and he was alternating between Will's and "Brandon's" house, it was another Brandon I don't know. "So if there had been an emergency and I needed to pick you up, nobody would have had a clue where you were?" "Uh, I guess."

If I have a brain cell left by the time he turns 18, it'll be a miracle.
 
I was the crew of 82 so it works and doesn't work all at once...

not sure where to put this:

last night was the open house for parents only of kids entering kindergarten - us veteran parents saw it as a wonderful excuse to go out afterward and headed to the local Publick House for some Cosmo's or beer -

we have deemed our new-found club "the crew of '22 booster club"! ;)

I think the first-time parents were mortified when they overheard us talking about where we were going out :-o
 
Last night, talked the kid into going to an open house at a charter school that opened here last year. Computer-based learning (which he's done well at the alternative h.s. he's in this year), internships, 225 total kids in 3 grades. He really liked it because of the small size and the chance to work ahead if he's bored. I took in the paperwork today and signed him up. Keeping my fingers crossed; it's a last chance for him to make good decisions and succeed in high school. This will be his sixth school in 6 years. Sheesh.
 
Zoning Goddess said:
Last night, talked the kid into going to an open house at a charter school that opened here last year. Computer-based learning (which he's done well at the alternative h.s. he's in this year), internships, 225 total kids in 3 grades. He really liked it because of the small size and the chance to work ahead if he's bored. I took in the paperwork today and signed him up. Keeping my fingers crossed; it's a last chance for him to make good decisions and succeed in high school. This will be his sixth school in 6 years. Sheesh.
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Sounds promising ZG. I think the key is getting him engaged into his learning environment and something that works for him.
 
It has been a hard teenager week here this week. The eldest at home has just been on a hateful teenage girl rampage. Yet another unexplainable car breakdown last weekend. This is the third. The surpentine belt just "fell" off the car. It is less than 6 months old. She screams at us that she did not do anything. We try to figure out how that could possibly happen. Everyone says it is pretty much impossible.
After a few days of this I decided that the real issue is that she never says shes sorry. It continue to explain to her how much all of this is costing us. Let's just say that we had said we would match any down payment she saved. That deal is off. Car repairs to date $3000.
She thinks sorry is an admission of wrong doing. I think a person can be sorry that they have cause another grief. I can be sorry my husband has a bad day even if I wasn't the cause.There was a screaming creshendos where I explained that she has been a hateful inconsiderate B. Finally she cried and was sorry.

It is so hard to get through that wall with her. I am always amazed that her father doesn't stop me somewhere during that process. It resembles an Alpha Dog situation. But all is calm and we can all enjoy Prom this weekend. Teenagers gotta love them....
 
Queen B said:
It has been a hard teenager week here this week. The eldest at home has just been on a hateful teenage girl rampage. Yet another unexplainable car breakdown last weekend. This is the third. The surpentine belt just "fell" off the car. It is less than 6 months old. She screams at us that she did not do anything. We try to figure out how that could possibly happen. Everyone says it is pretty much impossible.
After a few days of this I decided that the real issue is that she never says shes sorry. It continue to explain to her how much all of this is costing us. Let's just say that we had said we would match any down payment she saved. That deal is off. Car repairs to date $3000.
She thinks sorry is an admission of wrong doing. I think a person can be sorry that they have cause another grief. I can be sorry my husband has a bad day even if I wasn't the cause.There was a screaming creshendos where I explained that she has been a hateful inconsiderate B. Finally she cried and was sorry.

It is so hard to get through that wall with her. I am always amazed that her father doesn't stop me somewhere during that process. It resembles an Alpha Dog situation. But all is calm and we can all enjoy Prom this weekend. Teenagers gotta love them....
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Wow. I feel for you Queen B. Any possibility for her to enjoy a car free lifestyle for a while? Maybe tell her that she gets to contribute to the maintenance and repair of the vehicle while she's the main driver of it?
 
Regarding Daycare..

So we're still plugging along, still on course for our November due date. I am getting more parentally minded everyday as the time goes by and certainly none more than today when an associate of mine who refs in my Men's hockey league called up to get our listing of Town registered day cares as he and his wife are thinking twice about their current one.
I will preface that all daycares registered with the Town must also be registered with the state. Colorado, seemingly, has some good standards for home day care providers to adhere to and I wouldn't think of dropping my kid at an unregistered day care.
Anyways, this guy did and is not happy with how it is run, the condition of the home, and the provider herself (who used to registered).

Anyways, I freaked out a bit and I am half tempted on trying to figure out how to have one of us (my wife or I) stay home.

How did you parents figure this one out?
 
My mom watched my first two children. When the third came along, I would not ask her to watch all three, so I quit my job. We struggled financially, but I have no regrets. My kids loved having me around, and loved that I could be involved in their daytime hours. It was well worth the sacrifices we made.

A friend and his wife worked different shifts so that one of them could be with their daughter.
 
When we saw the ultrasound that showed we were having twins, we both knew that daycare would be beyond our ability to pay and that one of us would have to stay home. I made more money, so I went to work and my husband stayed home. He's been a stay-at-home dad now for 5 years and it has been a great expereince for us.

It's been financially tough, but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel -- until I get the desire to have #4 - which I desperately need to be talked out of.

I have a lot of friends who use day-care. I think it can be an excellent choice. The friends that are the happiest spent MONTHS researching centers and talking to other parents. I know of some excellent centers that do a great job even with tiny babies. I know of other centers and in-home types where I wouldn't place my dog. You've got to feel that the place you've chosen is 100% the best place for baby..if there are any red flags, don't do it.
 
**This'll be interesting as I suspect that twins are coming (I'll know June 12). But for some reason twins keep running through my head and my wife keeps having dreams about twins.

We'll have some thinking to do.

Originally, we thought our neighbor would watch the kid(s), but now she is looking to work a bit more as her kids get older and in school. So we'll figure it out. After today's conversation, I know where I will NOT be sending my kid(s)
 
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