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michaelskis said:
What message does this send to the rest of the world. I mean really think about it for a moment. On one hand, we have an former president egomaniac who is on trial because he likely paid off a "pron" star to no talk about hanky panky and then lied about it. On the other hand you have someone who for all real purposes appears to be losing his mind and rational ability to function.

This is who we have to pick from to be the leader of the free world? Our pollical system has become such an embarrassment.
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& praising "the late great Hannibal Lecter" is totally a sane and stable thing to do.
 
DVD said:
I think there are too many talking heads that have a vested goal in Biden being old and incompetent so it gets over or reported or exaggerated. Granted over heads just ignore the age thing entirely. Using my own eyes, he's old, he's a bit slower in his speech than he used to be. Comes with being old. Is he incompetent, nope. My concern is that if he goes another four years he gonna die. I mean he's old. Then we have the VP as pres. I don't know if she would do a good job or not, but I'll take her over the alternative. She hasn't tried to overthrow my government or take my vote away from me.

Personally, I think all these old people just need to start retiring. You're in your 70's and 80s. Go enjoy your golden years.
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Down with ageism! A lot of people don't like Ms. Harris because she is not only female but also only 5'2".
 
DVD said:
I think there are too many talking heads that have a vested goal in Biden being old and incompetent so it gets over or reported or exaggerated. Granted over heads just ignore the age thing entirely. Using my own eyes, he's old, he's a bit slower in his speech than he used to be. Comes with being old. Is he incompetent, nope. My concern is that if he goes another four years he gonna die. I mean he's old. Then we have the VP as pres. I don't know if she would do a good job or not, but I'll take her over the alternative. She hasn't tried to overthrow my government or take my vote away from me.

Personally, I think all these old people just need to start retiring. You're in your 70's and 80s. Go enjoy your golden years.
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This is kind of where I'm at. Almost all media has gone click-bait because controversy is what stirs readership. My opinion is that Trump's mental acuity is a greater question than Biden's, but that both are sus.

I really think there's a case to be made for an age-out of at least state and federal officeholders, but more tied to term limits. A comment that has stuck with me from an 80-year-old that was on my comprehensive plan committee probably 10 years ago... "my opinion on what I want for the future of ________ is not as important as yours... I'll be dead, but you'll get to live it." She later shared that she thought it was irresponsible for the City Council to appoint her to the committee. As people age into their late 60s and 70s, I think they begin to lose that long-term perspective as their sense of mortality sets in. This isn't to say their opinions cease to matter, but it does become a legitimate question as to whether they can/should represent others. Of course, the clean way to solve most of this is with term limits, including for SCOTUS.

I don't like Kamala Harris, but as you said she is light years better than anyone Trump will tap. There's probably better than 50/50 odds of death while in office for both in a '25-'29 term. We haven't seen a VEEP ascension since Gerald Ford, and even that was a really strange set of circumstances. You'd really have to look to LBJ.
 
fringe said:
Down with ageism! A lot of people don't like Ms. Harris because she is not only female but also only 5'2".
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I had no idea harris was 5' 2". If I had to guess, I would have put her at like 5' 8" or something.

Also... I'm always amazed that the average height of Trump's kids is like 7' 8" (mainly thanks to the 12' tall Barron).






Okay.... I know that's not the average, but they're still a pretty tall family but I think when I looked it up, Tiffany was the shortest at 5' 9" or something. Donald always forgets about her so we can too. That would put the average for the rest of them at like 6' 4". They may not be the most athletic, but if I had to pick a president and their family for a game of basketball, it would be the Trumps.
 
WSU MUP Student said:
I had no idea harris was 5' 2". If I had to guess, I would have put her at like 5' 8" or something.

Also... I'm always amazed that the average height of Trump's kids is like 7' 8" (mainly thanks to the 12' tall Barron).






Okay.... I know that's not the average, but they're still a pretty tall family but I think when I looked it up, Tiffany was the shortest at 5' 9" or something. Donald always forgets about her so we can too. That would put the average for the rest of them at like 6' 4". They may not be the most athletic, but if I had to pick a president and their family for a game of basketball, it would be the Trumps.
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Over Obama? No way.
 
estromberg said:
Over Obama? No way.
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I wasn't considering First Ladies but if we can include them, then yeah, maybe the Obamas would be my presidential basketball team... especially now that I just looked up how tall the Obama girls are - Malia is 5' 11" and Sasha is 5' 9" or 5' 10". Both the Obama girls seem pretty fit and we know the parents can play, so even though there are only 4 on this Obama basketball team, they could give a team of Trumps a good game. If we get to go into the Obama extended family for a 5th man, I'm picking Craig Robinson and then the Obama team is a sure bet.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
This is kind of where I'm at. Almost all media has gone click-bait because controversy is what stirs readership. My opinion is that Trump's mental acuity is a greater question than Biden's, but that both are sus.

I really think there's a case to be made for an age-out of at least state and federal officeholders, but more tied to term limits. A comment that has stuck with me from an 80-year-old that was on my comprehensive plan committee probably 10 years ago... "my opinion on what I want for the future of ________ is not as important as yours... I'll be dead, but you'll get to live it." She later shared that she thought it was irresponsible for the City Council to appoint her to the committee. As people age into their late 60s and 70s, I think they begin to lose that long-term perspective as their sense of mortality sets in. This isn't to say their opinions cease to matter, but it does become a legitimate question as to whether they can/should represent others. Of course, the clean way to solve most of this is with term limits, including for SCOTUS.

I don't like Kamala Harris, but as you said she is light years better than anyone Trump will tap. There's probably better than 50/50 odds of death while in office for both in a '25-'29 term. We haven't seen a VEEP ascension since Gerald Ford, and even that was a really strange set of circumstances. You'd really have to look to LBJ.
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Age limits will never fly.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
This is kind of where I'm at. Almost all media has gone click-bait because controversy is what stirs readership. My opinion is that Trump's mental acuity is a greater question than Biden's, but that both are sus.

I really think there's a case to be made for an age-out of at least state and federal officeholders, but more tied to term limits. A comment that has stuck with me from an 80-year-old that was on my comprehensive plan committee probably 10 years ago... "my opinion on what I want for the future of ________ is not as important as yours... I'll be dead, but you'll get to live it." She later shared that she thought it was irresponsible for the City Council to appoint her to the committee. As people age into their late 60s and 70s, I think they begin to lose that long-term perspective as their sense of mortality sets in. This isn't to say their opinions cease to matter, but it does become a legitimate question as to whether they can/should represent others. Of course, the clean way to solve most of this is with term limits, including for SCOTUS.

I don't like Kamala Harris, but as you said she is light years better than anyone Trump will tap. There's probably better than 50/50 odds of death while in office for both in a '25-'29 term. We haven't seen a VEEP ascension since Gerald Ford, and even that was a really strange set of circumstances. You'd really have to look to LBJ.
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I'm surprised you had someone provide that comment - we recently had a comp plan project go through, and most of the people opposed to it were in the 70-80 age bracket. A few joked to me that those individuals would be dead before the first shovel hits the ground.

I think Kamala is fine. While she is not the most forgettable vice president, I agree that she still does not excite anyone - but that's still better than like former VPs such as Spiro Agnew or Mike Pence would have been as potential successors.
 
dw914er said:
I'm surprised you had someone provide that comment - we recently had a comp plan project go through, and most of the people opposed to it were in the 70-80 age bracket. A few joked to me that those individuals would be dead before the first shovel hits the ground.

I think Kamala is fine. While she is not the most forgettable vice president, I agree that she still does not excite anyone - but that's still better than like former VPs such as Spiro Agnew or Mike Pence would have been as potential successors.
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Spiro Agnew? Doesn't he work for MAD Magazine?

 
dw914er said:
I'm surprised you had someone provide that comment - we recently had a comp plan project go through, and most of the people opposed to it were in the 70-80 age bracket. A few joked to me that those individuals would be dead before the first shovel hits the ground.

I think Kamala is fine. While she is not the most forgettable vice president, I agree that she still does not excite anyone - but that's still better than like former VPs such as Spiro Agnew or Mike Pence would have been as potential successors.
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Did you forget Dan Quayle, the lawyer that famously corrected an elementary school kid spelling of "potato". He dictated, based on his high education, that the word needed an "e" on the end.
 
dw914er said:
I'm surprised you had someone provide that comment - we recently had a comp plan project go through, and most of the people opposed to it were in the 70-80 age bracket. A few joked to me that those individuals would be dead before the first shovel hits the ground.

I think Kamala is fine. While she is not the most forgettable vice president, I agree that she still does not excite anyone - but that's still better than like former VPs such as Spiro Agnew or Mike Pence would have been as potential successors.
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This was the same octogenarian that was a big advocate for the skate park. She was quite the character!!!
 
I find older people fall in the category of I'm afraid of everything and will fight change to my death or screw it, I'm dying soon anyway, do something awesome for the kids.
 
The Freedom Caucus Loves their tRump.
Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert travel to New York City to attend Trump’s trial, but here’s a reminder, that Boebert’s teenage son Tyler Boebert was in court 7 days ago, without his mother and without a lawyer (& he said he was having trouble paying for one).
 
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I remember when Tiger Woods always wore red shirt & black pants on Sundays in tournaments. I also remember in the member/guest tournaments I played in, there were always at least a half dozen or more players that would wear that exact combo.

I was reminded of that when I saw Gaetz & company wear the same outfit their dear leader tRump wears, a blue suit, a white shirt & a red tie. They look like his loyal crony minions.
 
Planit said:
I remember when Tiger Woods always wore red shirt & black pants on Sundays in tournaments. I also remember in the member/guest tournaments I played in, there were always at least a half dozen or more players that would wear that exact combo.

I was reminded of that when I saw Gaetz & company wear the same outfit their dear leader tRump wears, a blue suit, a white shirt & a red tie. They look like his loyal crony minions.
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That combination is known as the "Power Suit" and was taught to sales professionals back in the 1980's based on phycoanalytics. The blue color has long been recognized as authoritarian going back to monarchy (Royal Blue) and the white creates a contrast to help emphasis the color of the tie. The theory about tie color and eye color being similar to help build trust. Most people have brown eyes, which is why red ties were often the go-to color, but the red also doubles to correspond to the party color. That is why Trump wears it.
 
Planit said:
I remember when Tiger Woods always wore red shirt & black pants on Sundays in tournaments. I also remember in the member/guest tournaments I played in, there were always at least a half dozen or more players that would wear that exact combo.

I was reminded of that when I saw Gaetz & company wear the same outfit their dear leader tRump wears, a blue suit, a white shirt & a red tie. They look like his loyal crony minions.
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Their kind would wear arm bands of any kind directed if they had to. They would put a dot in the middle of their brow if He did but only the lucky few can carry a daily sprayed comb-over and matching spray tan to public settings.
 
What a FUBAR election we have this fall. Candidate on the left has lost all mental capacity...candidate on the right has lost all mental capacity. I'm voting for Kennedy but he is not my first choice of Kennedy.
 
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SlaveToTheGrind said:
What a FUBAR election we have this fall. Candidate on the right has lost all mental capacity...candidate on the right has lost all mental capacity. I'm voting for Kennedy but he is not my first choice of Kennedy.
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Instead of voting for RFK you could write in Ralph Nader, age 89, or me, age 75. I appreciate your support.
 
How do you think that the death of the President of Iran will play out? There is already so much volatility in the region that I think this will be one more destabilizing event.
 
michaelskis said:
How do you think that the death of the President of Iran will play out? There is already so much volatility in the region that I think this will be one more destabilizing event.
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I think you're spot on. He was a real hardliner so there's this little part of me that wonders if we didn't have something to do with it. Probably not but my mind does wander there.
 
btrage said:
I don't think so. The Guardian Council wields the real power in Iran.
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Exactly.

If the Supreme Leader and the Council are ready for some democratic reforms, they will make sure such a reformer gets elected (if they even decide to follow their constitution and hold elections in 50 days). If the Supreme Leader and the Council want more of the same, they will make sure another hardliner gets elected.

From what I gather, Raisi was wildly unpopular with the masses well before he took office as president and his popularity only dwindled since then. If the Guardian Council was willing to let him remain in office amid all the protests and international pressure of the past few years, it doesn't sound like they were really looking to make any substantive reforms and I wouldn't expect that to change now.
 
michaelskis said:
How do you think that the death of the President of Iran will play out? There is already so much volatility in the region that I think this will be one more destabilizing event.
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Echoing @btrage ... I don't think it helps stability, but it also doesn't do real damage. Now if you start having stuff like Khamenei dying (he is well into his 80s), that would result in some power vacuum and weirdness.
 
Suburb Repairman said:
Echoing @btrage ... I don't think it helps stability, but it also doesn't do real damage. Now if you start having stuff like Khamenei dying, that would result in some power vacuum and weirdness.
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Agree. But street protests could fire up again and that could also make things go sideways.
 
Hink said:
I miss being surprised by things...

www.yahoo.com

Trump deletes social media video about election victory referencing 'Unified Reich' after facing backlash

Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday deleted a social media video that referenced the phrase "Unified Reich" after his critics said the phrase mirrors that of Nazi Germany. The video then predicts an economic boom, tax cuts, border security and deportation of undocumented immigrants if...
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In fairness to Trump (there's four words I never thought I'd ever type), the video seems to have used some newspaper background with "place-holder" stories that were centered around World War I and the post war period. We all know Trump only reads flattering stuff about Trump, so it probably wasn't examined very closely and probably doesn't mean Trump seriously meant anything about a "unified Reich".

That doesn't absolve Trump of being a racist, misogynist, homophobic, nationalist, etc, etc, etc, pile of dung.
 
I wonder what the jurors think of Trump not being asked to take the stand by his own legal team. I know they are embargoed from information pertaining to the trial, but c'mon, here's a defendant that has a lot to say after each trial day yet won't say anything under oath. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?!!
 
Planit said:
I remember when Tiger Woods always wore red shirt & black pants on Sundays in tournaments. I also remember in the member/guest tournaments I played in, there were always at least a half dozen or more players that would wear that exact combo.

I was reminded of that when I saw Gaetz & company wear the same outfit their dear leader tRump wears, a blue suit, a white shirt & a red tie. They look like his loyal crony minions.
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...and who is paying for the little tRumpkin Congress bootlickers to show up in NYC???

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'Wack pack': Questions swirl over 'Trump uniforms' and who’s funding 'weird' trial surrogates

Trump trial watchers are raising questions over the increasingly large number of elected Republicans and big-name allies showing up at the Manhattan Criminal Courts Building to show support for the indicted ex-president, often giving angry and factually inaccurate speeches before the cameras, or...
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So Nikki Haley has chosen to stand up and be counted for the Dark Side and said she would vote for Trump. What a disgusting piece of shit. And Nikki Haley is too.

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Section 8. Respect for Flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, state flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
 
Gedunker said:
Section 8. Respect for Flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, state flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
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Also:

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
 
Gedunker said:
From a NY Times article today, quoting a spokesperson for the Trump campaign: “more and more Americans are chipping in every day to support President Trump as they watch him get politically persecuted by Joe Biden and the corrupt Democrats in this sham show trial.”

I could not say that with a straight face, let alone without just completely cracking up laughing.
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Everything they say is the polar opposite of reality.
 
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