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How many children must we sacrifice before something changes?
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In Texas? No amount.

Goddamn Abbott won't to a fucking thing. In fact, I predict the GOP will entrench themselves even more and continue to loosen gun laws.

Because it's all about the Base and the Fringe. I wonder how many MAGAa are in masturbatory glee from this latest carnage.
 
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While I do think gun regulation would help, the mental aspect to me is more troubling and inexplicable.

I have had my struggles in life; divorce, times of depression, hopelessness, etc. Never once did it cross my mind to go shoot a bunch of people, let alone children. I just can't relate at all to that thinking. Why? I just can't wrap my mind around it.
 
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:'( Damned Ammosexuals.

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Super Amputee Cat said:
I wonder how many MAGAa are in masturbatory glee from this latest carnage.
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That number is closer to zero than the amount you're hoping for. Sure, there will be some fringe lunatics writing this off as a "false flag" operation to suppress their 2A rights, but even they aren't reveling in the death of children like this - no one does. What the hell is wrong with you...?
 
bureaucrat#3 said:
Walker looks like a mess, although as a resident of the "great" State of Alabama, I'm not throwing any stones. All our candidates are on a race to see how batsh*t crazy right they can go. I don't know that any of them will go as far as the GA gov candidate Taylor. She's next level.

https://www.newsweek.com/native-americans-made-sacrifice-our-right-worship-jesus-taylor-1708855 (Native Americans made "sacrifice" for "our right to worship Jesus": Taylor)

Kandiss Taylor Warns 'Death by Firing Squad' to Corrupt Officials at Rally

Her obsession with the GA Guidestones is just weird. Georgia Guv Candidate Builds Campaign on Demolition of ‘Satanic’ Tablets
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She managed maybe 3% of the vote total in the primary, so...
 
Bubba said:
It's going to be mixed results for Trump-backed candidates today in the GOP primary. Kemp should easily avoid a runoff with Trump's boy David Perdue for Governor, and Sec of State will probably go to the incumbent and not the Trump-backed Jody Hice. Herschel Walker, unfortunately, will avoid a runoff for the Senate seat, and who knows with the Lt. Governor's race...
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Looks like I'm probably 3 for 3 with these predictions - Kemp steamrolled Perdue, Raffensperger squeaked by in the SoS primary over Hice (avoiding a runoff), and Herschel, sadly, will be the GOP opponent to Warnock for that Senate seat (and I hate that Herschel is tarnishing my memories of him as the greatest UGA tailback of all time). The Lt. Gov race for the GOP nomination looks to be too close to call as of yet.
 
gizmodo.com

Republican Ghouls Send Identical Tweets After 21 Killed at School

Politicians like Ted Cruz have developed a special formula for 'thoughts and prayers' on Twitter.
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Time to repeat the Thoughts & Prayers tweets





Please look at the web frontpage of FoxNews and the CNN. Please compare the headlines and tone. It's incomprehensible to me the slant from the right.

Even Zelensky, in the midst of a savage war in Ukraine, took time to speak of this (yet another) tragedy, & our own senators just say that its not time for panic with gun laws.
 
MD Planner said:
Dude, come on. Most people generally want the same things and top of that list is their family being safe. Nobody outside of true psychos would celebrate little kids being killed.
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Yeah but there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of of those "true psychos". Millions that are ready to maim and kill or love to watch others maim and kill. They were ready to kill on January 6th, so it's not too much of a stretch to believe they will commit mass murder - or at least support violence - in the name of gun rights. And if dozens of children have to die, then that is a price that they are not only willing to accept, but are totally gleeful in that it will further amplify their fetish for guns, violence and death (And know that Abbott and the GOP will only entrench themselves even more on gun rights.) Like that piece of human excrement in Buffalo there are an untold number of gun toting, hate spewing maggots ready to take their place once these gunmen are blessedly mowed down. And of course they will all eventually buy into the Alex Jones conspiracy theory that it was all a hoax.

I wish you could see how stupid these people are, their ignorance only overshadowed by their relentless consumption of news stories of mass carnage and death. They are beyond deranged. They are unspeakably and unredeemably evil.
 
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MD Planner said:
Dude, come on. Most people generally want the same things and top of that list is their family being safe. Nobody outside of true psychos would celebrate little kids being killed.
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Its not that they want the killings, its the fact that they prioritize unfettered access to things like assault rifles above it. They are OK with massacres as long as they can get guns.
 
I think in times like these you see who are about people and who are about politics. To see a tragedy like this and think of anything but ways to not allow it to happen again so people don't have to face this pain.

It is time to have the discussion. In a month it is time to have the discussion. In two months. In a year. This isn't about expediency, it is about solutions. Yesterday was the true time for solutions. Today is an okay alternative.

Not doing anything because, "it wouldn't have stopped X", isn't a very strong argument. Try something. See the results. Try SOMETHING. Loosening regulations isn't working. That is beyond clear. Maybe we look at options that don't do that? That make it harder for mentally unstable individuals to get weapons. This is most certainly not an "us" versus "them" argument. It is an argument to protect kids, who didn't decide to do anything other try and get their education.

Kids now have active shooter drills at school. Almost every school does this. Let that sink in. We now protect our kids against tornados and active shooters. We work to keep everyone safe from tornados all the time, and not once do I recall seeing legislation to remove tornado sirens.

Today is a day for sadness in this Country... yet again.
 
Long Term and effective strict gun control laws in a directly analogous nation - Australia.
 
I say we start banning bullets. Feed your absurd gun fetishes all you like, you aren't getting ammo to load 'em with. (The Constitution protects arms: it doesn't say anything about ammo.)
 
Hink said:
I think in times like these you see who are about people and who are about politics. To see a tragedy like this and think of anything but ways to not allow it to happen again so people don't have to face this pain.

It is time to have the discussion. In a month it is time to have the discussion. In two months. In a year. This isn't about expediency, it is about solutions. Yesterday was the true time for solutions. Today is an okay alternative.

Not doing anything because, "it wouldn't have stopped X", isn't a very strong argument. Try something. See the results. Try SOMETHING. Loosening regulations isn't working. That is beyond clear. Maybe we look at options that don't do that? That make it harder for mentally unstable individuals to get weapons. This is most certainly not an "us" versus "them" argument. It is an argument to protect kids, who didn't decide to do anything other try and get their education.

Kids now have active shooter drills at school. Almost every school does this. Let that sink in. We now protect our kids against tornados and active shooters. We work to keep everyone safe from tornados all the time, and not once do I recall seeing legislation to remove tornado sirens.

Today is a day for sadness in this Country... yet again.
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I completely agree with everything you just said and more so I applaud the way you put it. I have seen so many people who are just reacting with anger and fear, but your response is very well measured.

In terms of doing something, what do you suggest?
 
michaelskis said:
I completely agree with everything you just said and more so I applaud the way you put it. I have seen so many people who are just reacting with anger and fear, but your response is very well measured.

In terms of doing something, what do you suggest?
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The same things that have been suggested over and over and over for decades.
 
I would say the gun that was legally purchased in this most recent instance should be banned at a national level, along with other similar types of guns. I'm not the expert on putting together the full list of guns that are or are not appropriate in a civilian setting, but it seems to me any type of gun capable of the kind of carnage inflicted yesterday has no business being owned privately by anyone. For all of the similar types of guns already owned privately, I would think offering a buyback program would be a good first step in getting as many off the street as possible.

What is the argument against banning assault weapons again? Something about how it hasn't worked before, or isn't going to be an effective deterrent of gun violence? Well, maybe we should try harder this time?
 
People are going to own guns in this country. That genie left the bottle a few centuries ago. I personally don't think that the average Joe has the need for certain weapons but people smarter than me can decide how you define that. But I'll say this, don't you dare Mr/Ms Federal Elected Official make it your mission to allow unfettered access to guns while also continually voting against and blocking funding for mental health and screening initiatives you Do Nothing POS.

I don't have the answers. If a person if set on killing others and then themselves they're going to accomplish that in some manner. What galls me is that our "leaders" won't even sit down with each other and try to come up with something rational that might be palatable to most everyone to some degree.

It's hilarious that the NRA convention isn't allowing guns because the former President will be there. I thought a good guy with a gun could solve all those problems. And don't tell me the Secret Service is there and they're the good guys. They're also probably some of the best trained marksmen around. I doubt a school district is going to be able to afford them to protect our kids.
 
michaelskis said:
And how well has that worked out?
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The suggestions have not been implemented courtesy of the gun lobby and the GOP both of which are opposed to any kind of restricted access.

It's nice to know that my uterus is more regulated than my ability to get a firearm in many states.
 
An actual quote from Gov Abbott: "Anybody who shoots somebody else has a mental health challenge, period."

This is not 'out of context'. This is a clear and abroad statement from the Gov. that is idiotic at best.

So...soldiers have mental health issues? The 'good guys' with guns? A 'stand your ground' defendant? A police officer?

Perhaps that was not what he meant, but that makes it even worse.
 
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We've had this same discussion the last time. Ban assault rifles & large capacity magazines. We've said before it makes no sense for a civilian to own one (just like a gernade launcher). Let's make that step one.

Where's the "Pro-Life" aspect on this?!? Oh nevermind, the fetus is a child now so it doesn't matter (this is sarcastic but not sarcasm).
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Gedunker said:
The assault gun ban worked very well.
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HomerJ said:
What is the argument against banning assault weapons again? Something about how it hasn't worked before, or isn't going to be an effective deterrent of gun violence? Well, maybe we should try harder this time?
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How do you define assaults weapon? (We have had this conversation before, and no you can't use semiautomatics or plastic in your argument because that includes everything from shot guns to pistols...)

Overall, I am in agreement that something needs to be done. But that something is not just one thing. Yes, we need better and more consistent background checks and find real ways to keep the guns out of the hands of people who wish to do harm to others.

But we really need to at least start admitting that we have a mental health issue in this country as well. Who in their right mind would go shoot their grandmother in the face and then show up at a school and kill 19 kids and 2 teachers. We hear the same background story over and over again about these kids. But they are either being ignored or denied the help they need. Every time a shooting like this happens people are so freaking quick to jump on the "ban the gun" bandwagon, but they don't want to do the hard work and understand why the shooter did what he did. The gun didn't go off by it's self. More so, if there is a reason for concern, there should be some mechanism to flag this persons background check and require medical sign-off before they can purchase a weapon.

Finally, we have serious society issues where we are so freaking afraid of offending someone that we ignore warning signs that people need help. Sure it is easy to Monday morning QB someone ones social media posts, but if there is a legitimate reason for concern, we as a society should be doing something about it. My kids don't have social media accounts, but I had this same conversation with my oldest after the Buffalo shooting. People talk and I told him that if he hears of something that might go down, to tell a teacher, a school administrator, or myself, but never ever think that it is wrong to speak up.

Planit said:
Where's the "Pro-Life" aspect on this?!? Oh nevermind, the fetus is a child now so it doesn't matter (this is sarcastic but not sarcasm).
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I am right here. Are you calling me out?
 
michaelskis said:
I completely agree with everything you just said and more so I applaud the way you put it. I have seen so many people who are just reacting with anger and fear, but your response is very well measured.

In terms of doing something, what do you suggest?
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My answers you will probably not agree with as much:
  • Move up the age to purchase any gun to 21.
  • Require 3-6 months between purchase and getting gun.
  • Require annual gun license for each gun owned, and require specific training for each weapon.
  • Universal Background checks.
  • A registry of every gun that is shared throughout the US in a central database that is public.
  • Ban large capacity ammunition.
  • Require annual liability insurance for gun ownership.
  • Make any gun owner liable for what happens with the gun that is registered to them.
In the short term, quit making it easier to own guns. Quit creating these concealed carry laws. Quit making it easier to buy a gun at a trade show. Quit doing nothing to fix the problem by making guns easier to access. Those are solutions that do not take into account the mental health issues related to the majority of those who use these far to easy to access weapons.
 
Hink said:
My answers you will probably not agree with as much:
  • Move up the age to purchase any gun to 21. Sure, but I am curious why 21 when the military or police department would give a gun to someone who is 18?
  • Require 3-6 months between purchase and getting gun. What is the reasoning behind 3 to 6 months. Brady Bill was 5 days?
  • Require annual gun license for each gun owned, and require specific training for each weapon. I agree with the training this needs to include how to properly secure a weapon. What is the reasoning behind the license and how will that stop shooters?
  • Universal Background checks. Completely agree, and it needs to be expanded. Something needs to be done to prevent those with a documentable history of violence or mental health issues from getting a gun.
  • A registry of every gun that is shared throughout the US in a central database that is public. What is the reasoning behind this and how will it prevent shootings?
  • Ban large capacity ammunition. Depending on definition of large capacity, I would agree. 50 round in one magazine does not help.
  • Require annual liability insurance for gun ownership. I agree in principal, but I don't trust the insurance companies.
  • Make any gun owner liable for what happens with the gun that is registered to them. I agree with this one as there are a lot of gun owners that are sloppy with proper storage.
In the short term, quit making it easier to own guns. Quit creating these concealed carry laws. Quit making it easier to buy a gun at a trade show. Quit doing nothing to fix the problem by making guns easier to access.
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See my comments in red above.

But in addition to the comments above, I think that as a society, we need to do a much better job when it comes to mental health issues. The more and more information that comes out about the shooter shows an extremely troubled past. It was the same for Columbine and Sandy Hook. The question is when are we going to be willing to recognize and admit that there is a mental health issue instead of just blaming the guns.
 
MD Planner said:
Dude, come on. Most people generally want the same things and top of that list is their family being safe. Nobody outside of true psychos would celebrate little kids being killed.
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Psycho isn't about celebrating. Psycho is having the power to create change and doing nothing about it. A sane person in a position of power would do more than send thoughts and prayers.
 
I agree with addressing the mental health side. That would take funding...which would take...wait for it....TAXES. I will believe it when I will see it.

I dont think anything is going to change and the massacres will continue. I am just resigned to it at this point and just hope my kids dont get caught up in one. Only one left in high school now, but it happens at college too. Look at Virginia Tech.
 
Mental health aspect is interesting (& definitely has lots of merit).

The Buffalo shooter is a blatant racist as he said in his manifesto that he wanted to take out as many blacks as he could. The shooter in SanFran last week wanted to take out Taiwanese (if I remember correctly). Dylan Roof wanted to take out blacks. Several church shooters wanted to take out Jews or ______. This being the case and mental health is the issue, then RACISM is a mental health issue and there's no telling the amount of crazies out there and damn proud of it.
 
Hawkeye66 said:
...but it happens at college too. Look at Virginia Tech.
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And anywhere else people congregate - Walmart, military base, night club, public transit, outdoor concert, etc, etc.

To Gov Abbott - You forgot about El Paso Walmart.
 
Well, it's been barely 24 hours and already the conspiracy theories are coming out. I heard on NPR that one of them is that this was all orchestrated by the Government as a way to give cause for more gun control. Another is that is was somehow linked to some CIA - LSD type experiment.

It's pretty wacky, but thanks to Alex Jones, I'm sure millions will buy into it. I expect that even more false flags and wacko conspiracies will bubble to the surface as they are amplified by the far right.
 
Really have no idea how I will talk to my own kids about this stuff when they are older if this persists, which seems inevitable. I can only hope that enough young people in this country so fed up from being exposed to these displays of violence their whole lives will start to tip the scales towards finding solutions instead of coming up with excuses to do nothing.
 
mendelman said:
n actual quote from Gov Abbott: "Anybody who shoots somebody else has a mental health challenge, period."

This is not 'out of context'. This is a clear and abroad statement from the Gov. that is idiotic at best.

So...soldiers have mental health issues? The 'good guys' with guns? A 'stand your ground' defendant? A police officer?

Perhaps that was not what he meant, but that makes it even worse.
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I think it's more that he's trying to downplay the unspeakable evil of the far right (by using mental illness as cover) and distracting from the fact that there will always be an endless supply of bastards like this shooter to commit attacks on their behalf or do copycat crimes on their behalf. It's like whack-a-mole. Take out out shooter, and two more will pop up in his place. The piece of shit that committed these heinous acts yesterday is just that: A piece of shit. I don't give a damn about anything that happened in his past. He made his choice to commit one of the most atrocious acts in recent history. I'm just glad he is dead.

(It's like the tired theory that Covid made everyone insane so they started shooting. No, they were evil and malicious all along and Covid-19 just gave them the cover to shoot, maim, loot, rape, and kill with impunity and unleash chaos and mayhem wherever they go because everyone was distracted by the lockdown).

But make no mistake, this is not a lone wolf situation, just like that festering garbage in Buffalo. It's all about the amplification of outrage and violence, with each murderous cretin trying to outdo the maliciousness of the previous shooter. Killing 10 black people not enough to get foaming gun-fetish MAGAs to drool? Too much time before the next mass shooting? Then let's kill 20 little kids instead.

Until we have penalties severe enough to put these monsters away forever (as well as the gun dealers and anyone else with even the most tenuous connection to this crime) this is never, ever going to stop. And I am going to take it a step further. I hold Abbott complicit in these murders. He could have done something about this after the El Paso shooting and other mass shootings, but he dug in and chose to make it even easier for lunatics to buy guns instead. And he relishes in the fact that he had done so.
 
michaelskis said:
See my comments in red above.

But in addition to the comments above, I think that as a society, we need to do a much better job when it comes to mental health issues. The more and more information that comes out about the shooter shows an extremely troubled past. It was the same for Columbine and Sandy Hook. The question is when are we going to be willing to recognize and admit that there is a mental health issue instead of just blaming the guns.
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1. Military personnel receive training and have been screened prior to enlistment. Also 18 year olds should not be eligible to be a police officer, aside from this also training/screening.
2. Brady Bill was a starting point. Obviously longer is better, but I don't think a 30 day wait is unreasonable.
3. The license is a mechanism to compel training. It will not stop people from going on mass shooting spree (nothing will), but it could be revoked and also used as a reporting mechanism for people with documented mental illness similar to how seizures are reported for driving privileges,
4. Universal background checks....every single firearms transaction whether its wholesale, retail, or private party.
5. Gun registry assists with tracing and reporting as lost/stolen. I don't think it needs to be public but it is a tool that could be useful to assist in identifying straw purchasers and illegal firearms trafficking. Will it stop mass shootings? Probably not, but in many communities it may reduce the number of individual shootings that are gang/narcotics related.
6. Is 20 rounds sufficient? If you are that bad of a shot....also there are just some firearms that the general public does not need to own, they are weapons designed for war.
7. Liability insurance I am on the fence about-principally it should compel responsible ownership and safe control over a firearm.
8. Also ties into #7. Everyone I know that hunts or has a handgun is responsible, trained and practices regularly, has secured storage etc. Just like driving a vehicle comes with great responsibility so does owning a firearm IMHO.

Mental health funding and mental health services desperately need to be increased and expanded. Period.
 
Just another video reaffirming that Abbott complicit in murder of these students. O'Roarke is going after this son of a bitch with all the rage and fury that piece of shit Abbott deserves. There's also another video of him confronting Abbott a few minutes earlier, just reaffirming that the Texas lieutenant Governor is just a tub of $hit as well.

Beto O'Rourke reacts after getting removed from Abbott Uvalde presser

It's the Goddamn smirk on his face that make me want to punch him in the throat.
 
Super Amputee Cat said:
Well, it's been barely 24 hours and already the conspiracy theories are coming out.

It's pretty wacky, but thanks to Alex Jones, I'm sure millions will buy into it. I expect that even more false flags and wacko conspiracies will bubble to the surface as they are amplified by the far right.
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After the David Hogg conspiracies, I realized that the ability to have an objective discussion about any real event is gone. Everything tragic ends up being called a liberal conspiracy due to Infowars permeation into the social media zeitgeist.
 
I was thinking more about it and I have a question. For those who are pushing for gun control, are you trying to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have them, or out of the hands of everyone?

I think that that distinction is important and might be the common ground used to move forward on regulations that actually make us safer. If we really want to make a difference, let’s start with the areas of agreement and build upon that vs name calling and political ideology.
 
michaelskis said:
I was thinking more about it and I have a question. For those who are pushing for gun control, are you trying to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have them, or out of the hands of everyone?

I think that that distinction is important and might be the common ground used to move forward on regulations that actually make us safer. If we really want to make a difference, let’s start with the areas of agreement and build upon that vs name calling and political ideology.
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I think we need to find a way to stop idolizing guns, like it was one of the main founding principals of our nation. Freedom doesn't equate to guns.

So with that said, less guns is better. You can play with the wording, you can parse out the meaning, but in the end, less guns in people's hands, means less opportunity for people to make a terrible decision to use it against another person.

So for me the answer is that we should look for ways to make gun ownership harder. At least as hard as owning a car. You should have to jump through hoops and pay lots of money to own it. It should be heavily regulated and studied. It should be transparent and open. This doesn't mean ban them. It doesn't mean TAKE ALL THE GUNS! It means make those who want to own a gun have to take the time, effort, and care necessary to safely own that gun.

Our country has lots of great things in it. We certainly are not the best country in the world because we have the most gun ownership, or most gun death, or most mass shootings, etc., etc., etc. We need to separate the idea that our country is great because we have gun rights. There is no correlation between high gun ownership and happiness, safety, or anything else. Like many of the other concepts that were fleshed out in 1791, we probably need to rethink some of these things for the 19th, 20th, or 21st centuries, as they don't mean today what they meant then.

All the data show that our country is the only civilized nation in the world to have the problems we do related to guns. That tells me it is fixable with regulations and care.
 
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I think we need to find a way to stop idolizing guns, like it was one of the main founding principals of our nation. Freedom doesn't equate to guns.

So with that said, less guns is better. You can play with the wording, you can parse out the meaning, but in the end, less guns in people's hands, means less opportunity for people to make a terrible decision to use it against another person.

So for me the answer is that we should look for ways to make gun ownership harder. At least as hard as owning a car. You should have to jump through hoops and pay lots of money to own it. It should be heavily regulated and studied. It should be transparent and open. This doesn't mean ban them. It doesn't mean TAKE ALL THE GUNS! It means make those who want to own a gun have to take the time, effort, and care necessary to safely own that gun.

Our country has lots of great things in it. We certainly are not the best country in the world because we have the most gun ownership, or most gun death, or most mass shootings, etc., etc., etc. We need to separate the idea that our country is great because we have gun rights. There is no correlation between high gun ownership and happiness, safety, or anything else. Like many of the other concepts that were fleshed out in 1791, we probably need to rethink some of these things for the 19th, 20th, or 21st centuries, as they don't mean today what they meant then.

All the data show that our country is the only civilized nation in the world to have the problems we do related to guns. That tells me it is fixable with regulations and care.
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And this is why we have an issue. Instead of building upon a foundation of agreement, to go right back to making it harder to own guns for everyone. I agree 100% that we need to do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of people who want to use them for evil purposes and I think that people would get so much further if they started from that position, as opposed to lumping all gun owners into the same boat.

The reality is gun ownership is a constitutional right, much like voting. I personally believe we should make it easier to vote, not harder. I am not saying that we should make gun ownership easier, but the idea of making it harder for everyone is not going to bring people together. As for the car analogy, car, horse, carriage, or similar modes of transportation are not constitutional rights. More so when someone kills someone else in a drunk driving accident, we don't blame the car or the alcohol. We blame the person.
 
Let's only require people convicted of a DUI to get a drivers license. Why should all us good drivers have to shuffle down to the DMV?
 
My lone contribution to the gun debate is this, as this quote has put things better than I ever could:

"We don't have any more mental illness than any other country in the world. You cannot explain this through a prism of mental illness because we're not an outlier on mental illness.

We're an outlier when it comes to access to firearms and the ability of criminals and very sick people to get their arms on firearms. That's what makes America different."

US Senator Chris Murphy (CT)
 
NHPlanner said:
My lone contribution to the gun debate is this, as this quote has put things better than I ever could:

"We don't have any more mental illness than any other country in the world. You cannot explain this through a prism of mental illness because we're not an outlier on mental illness.

We're an outlier when it comes to access to firearms and the ability of criminals and very sick people to get their arms on firearms. That's what makes America different."

US Senator Chris Murphy (CT)
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Pardon my statement, but this is the problem. You have politicians to are making statements like this and they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

www.webmd.com

Types of Mental Illness

Learn more from WebMD about the different types of mental illness.
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www.mhanational.org

The State of Mental Health in America | Mental Health America

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Mental Illness

An overview of statistics for mental illnesses. Mental illnesses are common in the United States. One in six U.S. adults lives with a mental illness (43.4 million in 2015). Mental illnesses include many different conditions that vary in degree of severity, ranging from mild to moderate to severe.
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But then again, facts are not big among politicians of they don't coincide with their agendas. As I said before, it is easy to blame the gun rather than deal with the real problem.
 
Why do people need to have easy access to guns? The primary purpose of a gun is to kill. Why shouldn't there be some restrictions on people's ability to kill?

If it is just about hunting or target shooting, I call bullshit.
 
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