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So Fox News or should I say Tucker is claiming the student loan relief is a slap in the face to Veterans everywhere who worked hard and served to get GI bills and all the college help. I understand some people have the I paid my debt so you should too or you signed for it so honor it ideas, but insulting to Vets? When I went through boot camp the first thing they asked is why are you joining and you can't say for college money because there are a lot of easier ways to get more money if that's what you want. Is it just me or are people like Tucker who don't serve and claim to know what vets think a slap in the face to vets? In other words, stop speaking for me!

Hear, here!

I'll also add that the GI Bill before the "Post 911" version sort of sucked for a couple of decades anyway since it in no way kept up with the rising costs of college tuition through the '90s and early '00s.

I got out of the Marines (the first time) in 2001 and the few hundred bucks I got each month while I was a full time student was not enough to come close to covering tuition at any of the schools I attended, let alone books/supplies, housing, meals, etc. Even with some scholarships/grants and working about 32 hours a week, I still had thousands of dollars in student debt for undergrad and then about another $35,000 in student debt from grad school as my GI Bill benefits had long since ran out.

Thankfully, I've worked in the public sector long enough that last year (or maybe it was 2020 now? Everything runs together over the last few years) I was able to take advantage of the PSLF program and have my remaining loan balances forgiven.

Veteran or not, I hate the argument of "I paid my way and so should everybody else! blah blah blah" which basically boils down to, "My life sucked so yours should too!" If we have the opportunity to make life easier for a group of people, I'm all for it. We can argue until we're blue in the face about the fiscal realities of whether or not we have that opportunity, but that's a different question.

In the end, I'm all in favor of forgiving huge chunks of student loans but I think that should be tied into some sort of legislation that works to fundamentally change how much higher education costs on the front end.
 
The real horror in college loans as I've read/understand is the predatory loan racket & interest rates.

If you borrow $40,000 & then pay on it for 10 years let's say, how is your balance now $62,000 (or more)?
Because you are allowed to pay less than even what the interest would be. Or get a deferment and not pay anything while the balance just grows and grows.
 
I'm just waiting to get those 10 years for the PSLF to kick in. Then screw you guys, pay your loans like I did. Nah, I'm with WSU. If it makes life better, than great. I also have to agree with MD Planner. This solves the problem for a bunch of people with loans, but it doesn't stop it from happening in the future.
 
The problem isn't going to be solved with a one time paying of student loans. If anything the feds need to step in and get the cost of colleges and university under control.
 
The best way would be to stop with GSL's. They don't force colleges to confront the cost side. They skewed cost control via supply and demand. If people have to pay for college out of pocket generally, costs would not have gone up like they have.
 
I had to co-sign my daughter's school loan through FAFSA 10 yrs ago. Her APR was 6.5, about the same as a car loan in the day.

Were she too be run over by a truck the bill would be mine.
 
The best way would be to stop with GSL's. They don't force colleges to confront the cost side. They skewed cost control via supply and demand. If people have to pay for college out of pocket generally, costs would not have gone up like they have.

Yep, I've said this for years. An unintended consequence was that the schools KNOW that they are going to get paid.
 
To shift gears:

Why do you think that we are seeing record inflation and record high gas prices? No, I am not blaming Biden.

I have been concerned about this for years and I think it is a perfect storm and both sides are to blame and I think this issue has roots going back to 1913, was made worse when we went away from the gold standard, was made worse with Congress passed the mark to market legislation after Enron, was made a lot worse when the Feds bailed out companies that were "too big to fail", and when we kept 'infusing the market' with additional cash. Reality is we have kicked the can down the road for so long, that we are now catching up to it.
 
To shift gears:

Why do you think that we are seeing record inflation and record high gas prices? No, I am not blaming Biden.

I have been concerned about this for years and I think it is a perfect storm and both sides are to blame and I think this issue has roots going back to 1913, was made worse when we went away from the gold standard, was made worse with Congress passed the mark to market legislation after Enron, was made a lot worse when the Feds bailed out companies that were "too big to fail", and when we kept 'infusing the market' with additional cash. Reality is we have kicked the can down the road for so long, that we are now catching up to it.
Is Jim Kuntsler right after all?
 
The problem isn't going to be solved with a one time paying of student loans. If anything the feds need to step in and get the cost of colleges and university under control.
Funding of public universities and colleges have been the purview of states, not the federal government. Federal dollars flow to universities for research and assist individuals pay for college. State funding largely funds the general operations of the schools and during the Great Recession, most states cut back funding and some states are still below what they were funding before then. https://www.pewtrusts.org/-/media/assets/2019/10/fedstatefundinghigheredu_chartbook_v1.pdf
 
Republicans have in many cases now bought into this Replacement Theory nonsense. The more radical elements are violent, and the political arm basically moves away from democracy towards what they hope is white authoritarianism by restricting voting as much as possible and gerrymandering. They have given up on the small government conservatism of a William F. Buckley towards a cultural axis. Its sad and disturbing.
 
The more we have gerrymandering, the more we have $ in politics, and the more we have secret groups to are pushing candidates to do their bidding, the more we will continue to see the failure of our government. Whether it is failure to work together to solve problems, or a failure to even discuss solutions.

Having differing viewpoints is healthy in a democracy. And losing happens to be okay in a democracy as well. Until the last election, we lost with pride a dignity, and provided support to the next person or people to do the jobs. We work to keep our union strong, not a single political party, person, or otherwise.

No more flags of a candidate or party. The United States flag is our flag, which is shared by all stripes and opinion-holders.

I also think the internet has allowed these once quiet sides of the political parties to create a digital playground to share ideas and egg each other to do more and more stupid things and elect more and more stupid candidates.
 
I also think the internet has allowed these once quiet sides of the political parties to create a digital playground to share ideas and egg each other to do more and more stupid things and elect more and more stupid candidates.
So, get rid of the internet...? Censor it?
 
So, get rid of the internet...? Censor it?
No, put safeguards in place to keep money out of politics, and require more transparency for candidates, parties, etc.

I am not a fan of censoring anything. I do think though that we need to have higher standards for people in congress. I want to know exactly who by and how you were financed. If you went door to door and raised $24 million I have questions. If you got $23.999 million from a Russian billionaire and walked doors and got $1,249 I should be able to know that. Everyone should have their taxes as public information in the Presidency / Senate at a minimum. Transparency.

With the the financing of candidates becoming such a large part of the "process", getting money out of politics would substantially help make our democracy stronger. It would also allow a conversation around how and why some of these candidates come to run.

I also think that allows people to then decide if they want to support candidates based on their financial support, or potentially stop supporting those who support stupid candidates.

The internet just brings money and people together in a place that it may not have done in the past. Decentralized monetary options also make transaction impossible to follow, which allows for candidates to be beholden to a person we don't know for a reason we don't know. It muddies up an already muddy situation. We need the financial systems to be clear blue water as these candidates sit on their islands.
 
No, put safeguards in place to keep money out of politics, and require more transparency for candidates, parties, etc.

I am not a fan of censoring anything. I do think though that we need to have higher standards for people in congress. I want to know exactly who by and how you were financed. If you went door to door and raised $24 million I have questions. If you got $23.999 million from a Russian billionaire and walked doors and got $1,249 I should be able to know that. Everyone should have their taxes as public information in the Presidency / Senate at a minimum. Transparency.

With the the financing of candidates becoming such a large part of the "process", getting money out of politics would substantially help make our democracy stronger. It would also allow a conversation around how and why some of these candidates come to run.

I also think that allows people to then decide if they want to support candidates based on their financial support, or potentially stop supporting those who support stupid candidates.

The internet just brings money and people together in a place that it may not have done in the past. Decentralized monetary options also make transaction impossible to follow, which allows for candidates to be beholden to a person we don't know for a reason we don't know. It muddies up an already muddy situation. We need the financial systems to be clear blue water as these candidates sit on their islands.

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(I kid, I kid...)

Anyhoo, I'm all for an overhaul of campaign finance rules/regulations/laws. There was a piece in the local fish wrapper yesterday on a candidate for lieutenant governor that had been using his family's private jet to get from campaign stop to stop, but had not disclosed it as an expense in his latest filings. His camp issued a statement that the plan was to pay the campaign for it immediately after the conclusion of the primaries, so no need for disclosure. The state laws on this sort of thing are apparently about as clear as mud, so...
 
^^^Right on the heels of the Supreme Court allowing Ted Cruz to pay himself back with post-election donated campaign money.
 
Several places had primary elections yesterday. I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on the outcomes.

In my state, it showed that Trump's backing of Cawthorn was not enough to save is job.
 
I just wish we would go back to actually judging the value of the candidate to do the job over them having the same political ideology that my favorite cable news station says I should have. Maybe we should all just follow Prior and vote none of the above!
 
More and more, I'm thinking the nation needs a complete re-set. All three branches of government are irretrievably broken, the system is based on a falsehood we've never satisfactorily overcome, and the current parties are not only uninterested in fixing the problems, they are at the very root of the problems - one significantly more so than the other.

While the United States has done more, I think, than any other country to broadly share the benefits of our freedoms, we never seem to miss the opportunity to shoot ourselves in the foot (corporations are not people, money is not speech, parents and friends of LGBTQ kids are not groomers, for example). We have a long, long, long way still to go to fulfill the promise of our birthright, and I don't see the current system helping us heed the better angels of our nature. If it isn't time right now for a change, it is very close.
 
More and more, I'm thinking the nation needs a complete re-set. All three branches of government are irretrievably broken, the system is based on a falsehood we've never satisfactorily overcome, and the current parties are not only uninterested in fixing the problems, they are at the very root of the problems - one significantly more so than the other.

While the United States has done more, I think, than any other country to broadly share the benefits of our freedoms, we never seem to miss the opportunity to shoot ourselves in the foot (corporations are not people, money is not speech, parents and friends of LGBTQ kids are not groomers, for example). We have a long, long, long way still to go to fulfill the promise of our birthright, and I don't see the current system helping us heed the better angels of our nature. If it isn't time right now for a change, it is very close.
I mean we could have a constitutional convention, but honestly, it would be difficult to find enough politicians that act like adults to stand in the room together. I just think about Hamilton and Madison and Burr and John Jay, etc. We don't have statesmen, we have made-for-tv electeds.
 
I mean we could have a constitutional convention, but honestly, it would be difficult to find enough politicians that act like adults to stand in the room together. I just think about Hamilton and Madison and Burr and John Jay, etc. We don't have statesmen, we have made-for-tv electeds.
I was thinking not of electeds, but rather people outside the current system. It's not ever going to happen, so in my fantasy, it can be whomever I like. Right?
 
I just don't see too many candidates (and especially incumbents) who are really that interested in solving problems. It's all about keeping their job instead of doing their job. It's much easier to win elections and stay in office when you tell people what they should be afraid of/pissed off about and who's to blame for it instead of actually solving anything. That's how you stay in office.
 
If we're going to do this imaginary constitutional whatsit we should just pick some random people. They should be smart enough to understand what's going on, but should not in any way be connected to the current system. You get a random selection of Americans that actually represent our country. You might actually get a decent set of laws and some people being the minority might have to realize you have to suck it up and live with restrictions on things you love.
 
I just don't see too many candidates (and especially incumbents) who are really that interested in solving problems. It's all about keeping their job instead of doing their job. It's much easier to win elections and stay in office when you tell people what they should be afraid of/pissed off about and who's to blame for it instead of actually solving anything. That's how you stay in office.


The first job of a politician after he is elected is to be reelected.
 
I just don't see too many candidates (and especially incumbents) who are really that interested in solving problems. It's all about keeping their job instead of doing their job. It's much easier to win elections and stay in office when you tell people what they should be afraid of/pissed off about and who's to blame for it instead of actually solving anything. That's how you stay in office.

This is because voters are far more motivated by fear than hope. Even if you look at the Obama "hope" campaign, it was actually a very cleverly re-framed fear campaign in certain campaign geographies.

And doing stuff requires risk-taking. Sadly, our society is not forgiving of leaders that attempt something new & fail... or at least aren't forgiving of it these days.
 
Well, as much as I hate Idaho, at least that succubus McCeachan didn't get in a Governor. She's just another inflammatory and seditious Margorie Taylor Green clone, a complete psychopath. No surprise she got the northern tip of the state though. That has been a haven for white supremacist and other antigovernment hate groups for decades. I mean there are some truly terrifying people living there. You can bet if there is some major plot to overthrow the government, that's it's going to be launched out of northern Idaho.

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Plus she's a complete religious nutjob

"God calls us to pick up the sword and fight, and Christ will reign in the state of Idaho"

I don't know if she's delusional or just pure evil. Maybe a little of both.
 
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Well, as much as I hate Idaho, at least that succubus McCeachan didn't get in a Governor. She's just another inflammatory and seditious Margorie Taylor Green clone, a complete psychopath. No surprise she got the northern tip of the state though. That has been a haven for white supremacist and other antigovernment hate groups for decades. I mean their are some truly terrifying people living there. You can bet if their is some major plot to overthrow the government, that's it's going to be launched out of northern Idaho.

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Plus she's a complete religious nutjob

"God calls us to pick up the sword and fight, and Christ will reign in the state of Idaho"

I don't know if she's delusional or just pure evil. Maybe a little of both.
...wonder if He knows what/where Idaho is?
The B52's wondered whether Idaho was really just a private State of mind!
 
Is there something about crazy people and the north part of the state? In Arizona we keep all our crazies in the northwest corner. Kansas was kind of the same, but more West since they don't really have a north/south.
 
Is there something about crazy people and the north part of the state? In Arizona we keep all our crazies in the northwest corner. Kansas was kind of the same, but more West since they don't really have a north/south.
Our state NW cnr is home to the macha MTG that has physically harassed school shooting survivors claiming they are paid to make it all up.
 
Is there something about crazy people and the north part of the state? In Arizona we keep all our crazies in the northwest corner. Kansas was kind of the same, but more West since they don't really have a north/south.

I know Moscow, Idaho is in Latah County which is in NW Idaho but voted for Brad Little according to that map (it borders the area that voted for McGeachin. Moscow is also the only city of any real size on the Idaho side of the border up there while the rest of the region is pretty rural). The largest private employers in Moscow is EMSI, which some folks here on Cyburbia are probably familiar with, and EMSI is run by a religious fundamentalist associated with a church that's sort of taking over things out in that NW corner of the state.

We have had a contract with EMSI for well over a decade now but after reading the attached article and a few other articles (and talking to some people from the area) I do sort of need to plug my nose when I sign off on the renewal.
 
You can't make this up.

tRump's filing S-4 form for a merger of TMTG (tRump Media) with Digital World - it lists all the businesses tRump has steered into bankruptcy.

I know its part of the standard stuff for mergers, but oh my. This really instills trust, doesn't it?

 
Is there some kind of money making scheme in filing bankruptcy?
No. It's a by-product of (likely) how the Trumps make their money.
  • They create a bullcrap business.
  • Get rubes and dopes with too much money to invest/launder.
  • They take a 'management fee' from the LLC (or whatever corp. form that actual business is located in) for as much money as possible
  • Then let it die, because it was really just a fee siphoning/money laundering scheme anyways
  • Rinse & repeat.
 
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Is there some kind of money making scheme in filing bankruptcy?
Weren't there bankruptcy lawyers advising people to max out credit cards and other lines of credit before declaring bankruptcy in order to get a haul of goods on the creditor's dime?
 
No. It's a by-product of (likely) how the Trumps make their money.
  • They create a bullcrap business.
  • Get rubes and dopes with too much money to invest/launder.
  • They take a 'management fee' from the LLC (or whatever corp. form that actual business is located in) for as much as money as possible
  • Then let it die, because it was really just a fee siphoning/money laundering scheme anyways
  • Rinse & repeat.

A person that likes their steaks well done trying to sell high end cuts of beef is a red flag to me. The empire has been simply built on the name recognition, and not the actual value of the business.
 
A person that likes their steaks well done trying to sell high end cuts of beef is a red flag to me. The empire has been simply built on the name recognition, and not the actual value of the business.
And that's why their core operation has always been a privately held company.

They would never survive the scrutiny of a public company.

Which, in my opinion, is a large part of why his presidency was such an obvious operational failure.
 
Pretty good article from Politico today about our Federal Government dysfunction and as a student of the colonial era and Founders I very much agree with this. They viewed the Legislative Branch as primary and somehow in the USA of 2022 it is a distant 3rd, non-functioning.

"Healthy ecosystems require balance. So does our constitutional structure, which relies on powers to be separated among the branches and for those branches to check one another’s power with their own."

Why Is Congress Broken? Because the Other Branches Are Doing Its Job
 
Pretty good article from Politico today about our Federal Government dysfunction and as a student of the colonial era and Founders I very much agree with this. They viewed the Legislative Branch as primary and somehow in the USA of 2022 it is a distant 3rd, non-functioning.

"Healthy ecosystems require balance. So does our constitutional structure, which relies on powers to be separated among the branches and for those branches to check one another’s power with their own."

Why Is Congress Broken? Because the Other Branches Are Doing Its Job

I read it and I think that while she is correct, the issue goes back much further than that. For example the combination of events between 1910 though 1936 really changed the scope of the federal government's power. For example, United States V. Butler (1936) essentially granted congress unlimited rights by allowing them to determine what the greater good was as it related to the 10th amendment. While that was not the intent of the decision, it change the definition of greater good and set forth and uncontrollable president.

Combine that with the Jekyll Island Accord the 16th Amendment, the 17th Amendment, and establishment of the Federal Reserve, it really changed the dynamic of everything over the past century.
 
The voting restriction measures that are gradually creeping scross state legislatures are generating lots of discussion. On a media report about Delta pushing back against Georgia's new laws, there's an entertaining exchange.

Someone who lives in Boston: "pretty sure it’s always been against the law to give any voter, anything while standing in line as it can been seen as influential. Damn people of Georgia with the water
🙄
Bring your own if your that parched of a person!"
(doesn't she seem nice?)

Me: "actually ... it's not. Polling places have always extended amenities to those inside. I don't live in Georgia, but on my visits there I've noticed that it can be pretty warm. Can't imagine standing in a queue to vote, with hundreds of others, for hours.
Just be kind, it goes a lot further.
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"

Her: [laugh react} "actually, it is illegal. Please learn the law. People need to bring their own water. No one stands in lines for “hours” to vote, so stop."

And she offered this expertise:

Actual quote from that link:
"QUESTION:
Is it legal under federal law to hand out food to voters waiting in line at polling places?
ANSWER:
Yes, as long as they are not asking for anything in return or trying to influence someone's vote."



It's so weird that Delta, Coke, MLB, Veloise, and JNA have yet to comment on this...
 
Living so close to Georgia I get the TV stations out of Savannah. To say "bombarded" with election ads would be an understatement. Thankfully today is Primary Election Day in Georgia. I really don't give a crap who wins but I'll be very happy not to see another ad (at least for a few months) about which GOP candidate loves and supports Donald Trump more. It's crazy how much of a factor that seems to be.
 
Living so close to Georgia I get the TV stations out of Savannah. To say "bombarded" with election ads would be an understatement. Thankfully today is Primary Election Day in Georgia. I really don't give a crap who wins but I'll be very happy not to see another ad (at least for a few months) about which GOP candidate loves and supports Donald Trump more. It's crazy how much of a factor that seems to be.
It's going to be mixed results for Trump-backed candidates today in the GOP primary. Kemp should easily avoid a runoff with Trump's boy David Perdue for Governor, and Sec of State will probably go to the incumbent and not the Trump-backed Jody Hice. Herschel Walker, unfortunately, will avoid a runoff for the Senate seat, and who knows with the Lt. Governor's race...
 
Living so close to Georgia I get the TV stations out of Savannah. To say "bombarded" with election ads would be an understatement. Thankfully today is Primary Election Day in Georgia. I really don't give a crap who wins but I'll be very happy not to see another ad (at least for a few months) about which GOP candidate loves and supports Donald Trump more. It's crazy how much of a factor that seems to be.
Them's fightin' words! We all know I love tRump more and I'll prove it by talking about how great a golfer he is and other not very politically important stuff.
 
Them's fightin' words! We all know I love tRump more and I'll prove it by talking about how great a golfer he is and other not very politically important stuff.

Is that you Lindsay Graham? Or is it Sean Hannity? Rudy?

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It's going to be mixed results for Trump-backed candidates today in the GOP primary. Kemp should easily avoid a runoff with Trump's boy David Perdue for Governor, and Sec of State will probably go to the incumbent and not the Trump-backed Jody Hice. Herschel Walker, unfortunately, will avoid a runoff for the Senate seat, and who knows with the Lt. Governor's race...
Walker looks like a mess, although as a resident of the "great" State of Alabama, I'm not throwing any stones. All our candidates are on a race to see how batsh*t crazy right they can go. I don't know that any of them will go as far as the GA gov candidate Taylor. She's next level.

https://www.newsweek.com/native-americans-made-sacrifice-our-right-worship-jesus-taylor-1708855 (Native Americans made "sacrifice" for "our right to worship Jesus": Taylor)

Kandiss Taylor Warns 'Death by Firing Squad' to Corrupt Officials at Rally

Her obsession with the GA Guidestones is just weird. Georgia Guv Candidate Builds Campaign on Demolition of ‘Satanic’ Tablets
 
I love when someone is campaigning and tells you they're so patriotic and love this country so much they just might have to kill other Americans who don't agree with them.
 
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