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NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Political Discussion Thread

I've decided I'm swearing off political news for the next week. According to every reputable poll conducted since April, Biden has maintained a commanding lead and should win handily if there are fair and free elections. I'll pick the news back up after November 3 when Trump declares voter fraud and whether his party decides to join in on the Russian's intel op intended to throw doubt on the validity of the process and sanctity of democratically held elections. That will be a sad day for this country. :(
I've been trying very hard not to go into full-on panic mode. I don't actually think the Supreme Court would go so far as to hand an election to Trump that was decisively settled for Biden. If they do that, they will basically be throwing away our entire democratic process and there is no foundation or basis for our political system at that point. But the fact that it's even being projected as a possibility is terrifying.
 
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No need to read the articles; the headlines give a sort of chronological account of it all:

TRUMP JUST SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER LETTING HIM PURGE THOUSANDS OF FEDERAL WORKERS FOR DISLOYALTY​

Federal Official Resigns in Protest of Trump Tinkering With Civil Service


And then comes the lawsuit...
Federal employee union sues over Trump civil service executive order
 

Jared Kushner bragged in April that Trump was taking the country 'back from the doctors'​


'Anonymous' revealed: Former aide Miles Taylor says he wrote scathing opinion piece on Donald Trump​

 
Jared Kushner bragged in April that Trump was taking the country 'back from the doctors'

Just released - No commentary from me - Minimal commentary from CNN.
Partial audiotapes that Bob Woodward made of Jared Kushner on April 18, 2020:


 
So many state secretaries are saying the polls are the same as 2016 - it's really shocking to me that there are so many people in this country that are not bothered by anything Trump does enough to vote/not vote for him

This list is astounding - if any other President did these things, they would be ousted - Bush Sr lost his re-election because he didn't know how a cash register worked!
 
Kamala's coming to town tomorrow, although I haven't heard the details. If I can I'm going to go see her.

Wow, lucky you! The first time in 30 years that a presidential campaign is making a "home stretch" visit to Fort Worth!

The polls are now saying that Texas has become a "battleground state" for the presidential race. Is this surprising development due to Texas/Federal handling of Covid-19?
 
Biden is coming here :mi: on Saturday (eagerly waiting to find out where -- rumor has it my fair city).

And he's bringing his former executive team partner too.

EDIT: Flint in the morning, and Belle Isle in Detroit in the evening. Stevie Wonder will perform!
 
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Watched the FRONTLINE bio of Biden and Trump. I thought it was very fair, but at the end, it occurred to me that Trump's entire life has been joyless and miserable. Pop Roy Cohn in there as a mentor, and it's no surprise for what we have now.:wow:
 
Buttigieg said on Fox. “I look at Omaha, where he left his supporters out freezing in the cold, which is a great metaphor for how he’s treated his supporters more generally across the country. In Arizona you’ve got a bunch of people in a rally that has the potential to be a spreader event, which kind of symbolizes his inability to lead us out of this pandemic.”
 
Wow, lucky you! The first time in 30 years that a presidential campaign is making a "home stretch" visit to Fort Worth!

The polls are now saying that Texas has become a "battleground state" for the presidential race. Is this surprising development due to Texas/Federal handling of Covid-19?
Beto O'Rourke made a strong run for Ted Cruz's senate seat in 2018. The state is less red than any time since I got here. I think it was going to be close here regardless. However, the state and federal handling of the virus has definitely hurt the incumbents.
 
As if this Hunter Biden smear campaign couldn’t be more clearly manufactured, Martin Aspen, the author behind a viral phony “intelligence” document about the Vice President’s son that made it to Trump’s inner circle, is not the Swiss security analyst he claims to be. Namely because Martin Aspen doesn’t exist. Even his profile picture is apparently computer-generated.

 
So I didn't get to see Kamala today. The event was basically invitation only for Democratic Party cool kids. Several of my friends went and posted videos on Facebook.

It's more than two hours after the polls have closed for early voting, our local app that shows wait times indicates there are still 8 early voting sites with more than an hour wait.

Wow.
 

'A Huge Attack': Critics Decry Trump Order That Makes Firing Federal Workers Easier​


Just a reminder that last Wednesday I posted 3 articles on some of "the grim details":


With regard to this kind of news,
do people find it "easier on the nerves" to:

  • listen for ~4 minutes to the NPR audio (provided by JNA), or
  • read the audio transcription (right below JNA's audio link), which would probably take more time?
 
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Can you believe the story out of Hays County, Tx yesterday where a 'tRump Train" harassed the Biden/Harris campaign bus and one a$$hole actually sideswiped a car. Then at a rally tRump says they were protecting the bus. Are you f-ing kidding me!?!?!???

 
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Early voting wrapped up in Georgia with over half of the registered voters in the states having cast ballots. I'm more curious to see how that impacts the down-ballot races (state and local) than the Federal contests.
 
Can you believe the story out of Hays County, Tx yesterday where a 'tRump Train" harassed the Biden/Harris campaign bus and one a$$hole actually sideswiped a car. Then at a rally tRump says they were protecting the bus. Are you f-ing kidding me!?!?!???


Does anyone else remember these types of rallies and caravans happening prior to Trump? We have people doing it out here, and I see cars and trucks with an American and Trump flags hanging off the back daily, but I really don't remember people doing that for Obama or Bush.
 
It is my sincere hope we don't see rally's like we have seen over the last 4 years going forward. They are just a cesspool of hate generally.

I also hope we stop seeing so many flags of candidates. I don't understand why this has become such a thing with Trump. The American flag is important. Your state flag is important. The candidate for president or even our president's flag, is not important.

I get very angry when I see Trump flags on the top, then American flag, then other flags...
 
I'm more curious to see how that impacts the down-ballot races (state and local) than the Federal contests.
People either picked a good or bad year to get into politics. It's gonna be one of two lines. Bubba only won/lost because 75% of the state turned out to vote.

The trump people had a car rally down one of our busy streets yesterday. A couple families were on the side waving flags and crap. At first I thought it was the guy selling trump crap out of his car. Then on one corner I see what looks like a homeless biker holding a sign saying democrats are morons. Really? This is the best wit you can come up with?
 
Does anyone else remember these types of rallies and caravans happening prior to Trump? We have people doing it out here, and I see cars and trucks with an American and Trump flags hanging off the back daily, but I really don't remember people doing that for Obama or Bush.
None... and it just reminds what is the difference?
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TBH, this administration has really whipped up what is "patriotism" which is a veiled support of very hyper-nationalism. Our ability to dialogue with our political opponents have been down the :toilet:
 
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None... and it just reminds what is the difference?
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TBH, this administration has really whipped up what is "patriotism" do a very hyper-nationalism. Our ability to dialogue with our political opponents have been down the :toilet:

I saw that photo, and while it is a bit over the top, I am struggling how to articulate the difference. The fervent support of some Trump supporters has made the last 4 years of political discourse seem very unique.
 
It is my sincere hope we don't see rally's like we have seen over the last 4 years going forward. They are just a cesspool of hate generally.

I also hope we stop seeing so many flags of candidates. I don't understand why this has become such a thing with Trump. The American flag is important. Your state flag is important. The candidate for president or even our president's flag, is not important.

I get very angry when I see Trump flags on the top, then American flag, then other flags...
Win or lose, I think Trump keeps having the rally's. I think he enjoys all of the attention too much. The question would be whether people keep showing up. I think they do and with a little help from some provocateurs, I think we'll see Tea Party-esque events. I think the hate and outrage stays, the only question I have is who will take over his role when when he decides/is forced to finally hang it up.
 
Holy crap! My polling place opened at 7AM. I got there at 6:45 and there was no parking anywhere even close (it's in a community center building in the middle of a park). The line was already wrapped through the parking lot and out toward the main street. I'd been hearing that early voting that opened at 9AM on other days had people that were there at 7 and still had to wait for over an hour and a half. This is going to be even worse. I'm going to try and leave work early and get in line then. It was pretty chilly here this morning so I didn't feel like standing in 38 degrees for a couple of hours.
 
58 minutes in line this AM to vote. It was packed. I was there at 6:36AM.

Also, there is a guy who clearly just wanted to be an a$$ who wouldn't wear a mask. They said he could have a free mask, he said no. I mean you are inside for 10 minutes... you can wear a mask. It is baffling how selfish people are in this world...
 
Deep thoughts on this Election Day morn. I'm sure some of y'all have seen this circulating, and in a lot of ways it resonates, right? But I'm wondering if no matter what, the concept of what "hating the president a normal amount" has dramatically shifted in the last, oh, 5-10 years or so. I think the amount of hate people felt was "normal" to have for a president started ramping up during Obama's presidency. Regardless of either outcome, I just imagine the same people that hate Trump will continue to hate him, and the people who LOVE Trump are going to hate Biden, and no matter what, what is "normal" as far as hating the president is a lot different than it used to be.

 
Deep thoughts on this Election Day morn. I'm sure some of y'all have seen this circulating, and in a lot of ways it resonates, right? But I'm wondering if no matter what, the concept of what "hating the president a normal amount" has dramatically shifted in the last, oh, 5-10 years or so. I think the amount of hate people felt was "normal" to have for a president started ramping up during Obama's presidency. Regardless of either outcome, I just imagine the same people that hate Trump will continue to hate him, and the people who LOVE Trump are going to hate Biden, and no matter what, what is "normal" as far as hating the president is a lot different than it used to be.

I think we hate Presidents now on two levels. 'Normal' hating on the President consists of despising the executive office's policies. This has everything to do with ideology. Things like under or overfunding various government functions, or getting involved or not involved in various conflicts. Then there's despising the individual on a personal level. For me this hasn't really amounted to much in the past. Sure there was a certain resentment when W smirked like a smug chimp at inappropriate moments, and the occasional word salads he uttered caused annoyance at his persona, but none of this rises to the level of visceral anger I experience whenever I see the current occupant of the Oval Office engaging in certain behaviors that are morally reprehensible. I suspect this is the case with millions of other citizens.
 
Can you believe the story out of Hays County, Tx yesterday where a 'tRump Train" harassed the Biden/Harris campaign bus and one a$$hole actually sideswiped a car. Then at a rally tRump says they were protecting the bus. Are you f-ing kidding me!?!?!???


So evidently the 'patriot who gently moved the car over with his truck' has been identified and confessed bragged about it. Why hasn't he been arrested?


& it's not his first time.
 
Three cheers for no more political ads being on TV after today!

...until the midterms
I wouldn't count on it.

If Trump loses, he will unleash a slew of ads attacking Biden and saying the whole thing was rigged.

If he wins, he will unleash a slew of relentless gloating ads for the next four years.
 
My predictions:

Biden: Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada
Trump: North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

"This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country." You said it, Donnie.

Trump may shit on a gold toilet, but somehow he brilliantly tapped into the belligerent, armchair quarterback, tough guy aspect of Rust Belt blue collar. Collectively, the lunchbucket crowd tends to have a lot of respect for combative, outspoken, tell-it-like-it-is anti-establishment politicians and leaders. (Cite: NYS Republican gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino, who had cult-like support, and a solid majority of votes, in the traditionally Democratic Buffalo/Erie County area.) It's nothing new, and it doesn't matter whether the politician is a Democrat or Republican.

Blue collar culture in the Rust Belt has also been shifting, politically and culturally, over the past 30 years or so. It’s gone aggro, as an Australian might say. It grew a goatee, bought a black RAM 3500 with a Cummins DAYSUL, crew cab, long bed, and duallys, rolls coal on cyclists and Priuses, and tailgates you on the 90 or 94 even though you're doing 80 in the right lane, and the passing lane is clear. It wears t-shirts with angry, oddly specific I-was-born-in-October-don't-fuck-with-me-and-by-the-way-fuck-you screeds. Rear-wheel drive land barges and “classy” luxury coupes gave way to TRUUUUUCKS, bowling and firemen's olympics to guns and powersports, cottages on the lake to condos at Myrtle Beach, polka to bro country, and small starter houses in inner ring suburbs to 2,500 square foot tract mansions in distant exurbs where the local high school sports teams are proudly still named "The Fighting Redmen" or whatever.

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I miss having a center right party in the United States. You know, so there's options aside from center left major party, far right major party, libertarian minor party, barefoot hippie minor party, lefty whackadoodle "People's Socialist Revolutionary Laborer" whatever minor parties, and paleoconservative lock-and-load minor parties.

If things turn out the way I think they're going to turn out, I really see the blue Northeastern states going their own way, in a sense. More like working towards a semi-autonomous "nation inside a nation" than seceding.
 
I am alive this morning, as it seems most of our county is. Glad we all made it. Now the next couple days are going to be rough, but we are going to be fine.

Also, I assume COVID is gone now that the election is over, so can I have Thanksgiving again? ;)
 
Alright, let's do this - local results for your friendly neighborhood Bubba:

County Commission - the incumbent R has a 10 point lead (not sure why this hasn't been called or conceded yet)
State House - incumbent D wins by a large margin
State Senate - incumbent R wins by a similarly large margin
GA-6 - McBath (D) maintains her seat by about 8 points
"Jungle Primary" Senate (replacing the retired Isakson) - Warnock (D) versus Loeffler (R) in the runoff. May the Good Lawd Almighty have mercy on my mailbox and phone over the next few weeks.
Junior Senate Seat - Perdue (R) currently has a 4-point lead over Ossoff

And, a bonus one from the County Next Door (@gtpeach and a couple of other folks may get this) - the Gwinnett Transit Referendum (which would pave the way (no pun intended) for MARTA expansion along the northeast corridor) is currently losing by about 1,750 votes. :mad:
 
Lindsay Graham held off Jaime Harrison here in SC. It wasn't as close as most thought it would be. My local congressman Joe Cunningham (D)was upset by Nancy Mace (R). Most other races held true to what you'd expect to happen. I did not cast a vote for coroner as I think it is absolutely absurd that is an elected position.
 
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