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michaelskis said:
Just a quick thought...

I prayed that Biden would say something, anything, to help me get a gimmer of hope that I might be able to stomach voting for him.
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Don't Attack Family. For me, the one of the biggest wins for Biden was that he did not bring up Trumps kids even though Trump kept attacking his son. Another was that Biden didn't bite back at insults when tRump was yelling that he was last in his class.
 
I would vote for a sugary subway sandwich over Trump - he's dangerous, treacherous and corrupt - 'nuff said

people have to stop - is this what we want our government structure to become - is the inch up on your 401k really worth living in a government structure akin to what we used to invade other countries for doing?
 
luckless pedestrian said:
I would vote for a sugary subway sandwich over Trump - he's dangerous, treacherous and corrupt - 'nuff said

people have to stop - is this what we want our government structure to become - is the inch up on your 401k really worth living in a government structure akin to what we used to invade other countries for doing?
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I think most people are scared of change, but are not unwilling to accept it when it comes.

Reimaging our country to a "green" power, shouldn't be political. I am baffled at why the Democrats haven't pushed harder in the union strongholds and mountain areas the idea that they will creates thousands of jobs. Push the TVA concept for infrastructure harder at these communities in Pennsylvania and WV and Wyoming. I mean SD and ND aren't going to vote D because they want their guns and oil. The D's need to do a better job showing them that more wind and solar will also help create jobs in their state.

401k improvement helps a lot of people, but it also leaves out a HUGE portion of the electorate. It is hard to understand why people who have no chance of becoming billionaires are so supportive of the concept, but I think that is the American Dream part of our country, where we all believe we have a chance to become something big. We generally don't put down success in our country. Democrats should focus on things that build people up before they just go on the rampage against successful people. With that said, I really don't see anyone (even billionaires) fighting against some higher taxes on the more wealthy people.

If you make a million a year, there are other ways (ask the President) to get out of taxes. I think the D's need to frame tax reform as a way to manage the budget to get the libertarian and debt hawk R's on board. I mean the current iteration of the R's don't care at all about budgets.... which is why our deficit is ballooning. Put the goal stick as reducing the deficit (not creating more spending) and I think a lot of people on both sides would support higher taxes.
 
I just look up my state's Poll Watcher rules.

There are 23 pages of regulations: what is a poll watcher, what documentation they have to provide to the election judge on-site, what they are and are not allowed to do while on-site, the limit of watchers per polling location, and other rules based on early voting vs election day sites.

I wonder how many people are going to show up at a polling location thinking they are going to poll watch, and the judge kicks them out because they 1) don't have the required paperwork, and signatures, 2) they refused to turn off electronic equipment, and 3) they want to watch someone actually vote (a big no-no). On the other hand, how many election judges will have the guts to kick them out?
 
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Question for anyone - are you part of the "sinister anti-Trump forces"
according to a pleading for money letter from the RNC ?

No guessing what I did with this letter - shredded it for recycling.
 
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JNA said:
Question for anyone - are you part of the "sinister anti-Trump forces"
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Sinister?
Trump is nattering away all the time about Anitfa. Do you know any sinister members of Antifa? Been to any Antifa chapter meetings lately? Have you ever watched any Antifa members in action? Seen all those people wearing Antifa shirts? No?

Just what is Antifa? It's short for 'anti-fascists', meaning those who fight fascists. And what do they look like? Here's a typical photo

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So Trump has COVID. Not really surprised, as he has been very flippant with the masks and social distancing. I do hope he recovers though, as he is in the age and weight categories that are bad.

Is he going to keep campaigning? Is he going to be at the next debate? Will he start using Zoom?

If he quarantines for 2 weeks, like he is required to, that would be a pretty important two weeks...
 
I guess he stopped taking his...
Hydroxychloroquine
(sarcasm)

The next week will be very interesting to watch.


He held rallies in Wisconsin & Minnesota, 2 states with higher outbreaks right now. Even after Hope Hicks tested positive and had been in frequent close contact, he held a fund raiser @ his NJ golf course with one-on-one pictures for donors. I don't wish this on anyone.
 
SAC, Remember, discretion is the better part of valor. Whatever it is you were thinking about posting in response to the news Trump tested positive.....just don't. We can already hear your thoughts.
 
Maister said:
Sinister?
Trump is nattering away all the time about Anitfa. Do you know any sinister members of Antifa? Been to any Antifa chapter meetings lately? Have you ever watched any Antifa members in action? Seen all those people wearing Antifa shirts? No?

Just what is Antifa? It's short for 'anti-fascists', meaning those who fight fascists. And what do they look like? Here's a typical photo

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Dude. You don't like Trump - I get that, but it doesn't automatically make him Mussolini. Also, aren't you former military? Don't insult yourself by equating Antifa with the WWII U.S. armed forces.
 
I have a couple of concerns with Trump's COVID diagnosis:

1 - It will affect his health to a great extent, which as a human is something I care about, but also at this point, what kind of havoc would that reek on the election outcomes? If he becomes incapable of being president PRIOR to Election Day, how does that impact the election? Not just in terms of process, but in terms of public response.

2 - It will be very minor and he will continue to not take it seriously and perhaps even continue to practice unsafe personal interactions with others. My concerns in this scenario regard impacts both in terms of policy and personal interactions.
 
Planit said:
I guess he stopped taking his...
Hydroxychloroquine
(sarcasm)

The next week will be very interesting to watch.


He held rallies in Wisconsin & Minnesota, 2 states with higher outbreaks right now. Even after Hope Hicks tested positive and had been in frequent close contact, he held a fund raiser @ his NJ golf course with one-on-one pictures for donors. I don't wish this on anyone.
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I just wonder if he will try the 'other' methods that he suggested.

gtpeach said:
I have a couple of concerns with Trump's COVID diagnosis:

1 - It will affect his health to a great extent, which as a human is something I care about, but also at this point, what kind of havoc would that reek on the election outcomes? If he becomes incapable of being president PRIOR to Election Day, how does that impact the election? Not just in terms of process, but in terms of public response.

2 - It will be very minor and he will continue to not take it seriously and perhaps even continue to practice unsafe personal interactions with others. My concerns in this scenario regard impacts both in terms of policy and personal interactions.
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But his health is Great, best health in America if not the world... it is really terrific.

My question is will people see this as more of a vote for Pence than Trump, because if he gets really sick, Pence steps in.
 
Bubba said:
Dude. You don't like Trump - I get that, but it doesn't automatically make him Mussolini. Also, aren't you former military? Don't insult yourself by equating Antifa with the WWII U.S. armed forces.
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Perhaps I was too oblique. My point was that Antifa isn't even real thing in 2020. It's a shadowy specter cited by Trump. The last time anyone did actually fight with fascists was when our armed forces did so in WW2.
 
Maister said:
Perhaps I was too oblique. My point was that Antifa isn't even real thing in 2020. It's a shadowy specter cited by Trump. The last time anyone did actually fight with fascists was when our armed forces did so in WW2.
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www.speaker.gov

Pelosi Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

San Francisco -- Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement denouncing the violent protests carried out this weekend in Berkeley, California:
www.speaker.gov www.speaker.gov

Anyhoo, carry on with your "oblique"-ness.
 
Bubba said:
www.speaker.gov

Pelosi Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

San Francisco -- Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement denouncing the violent protests carried out this weekend in Berkeley, California:
www.speaker.gov www.speaker.gov

Anyhoo, carry on with your "oblique"-ness.
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Just so we are clear, you used a Nancy Pelosi quote that said, " Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts. The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted. "

So what is your point? She said people who call themselves antifa in 2017 should be condemned for specific acts of inciting violence? I am not aware of people in Portland or other areas calling themselves antifa. Is that happening a lot? I mean I know that gets conflated with the BLM movement a lot.

I just don't understand why people think ANTIFA is a coordinated group. There isn't any clear indication beyond scare tactics that show they are an organized group. I mean even the Proud Boys have a website. Antifa is clearly an old concept, and people are currently using it in small groups to create some sort of support (or in many people's opinion negative impact) on the BLM movement. I just don't understand how without fact people go straight to they are the equivalent to the proud boys or other far right movements.

Honestly, I don't have an opinion on the concept, I am just not sure I understand what your point was on utilizing the Nancy Pelosi quote.
 
gtpeach said:
I have a couple of concerns with Trump's COVID diagnosis:

1 - It will affect his health to a great extent, which as a human is something I care about, but also at this point, what kind of havoc would that reek on the election outcomes? If he becomes incapable of being president PRIOR to Election Day, how does that impact the election? Not just in terms of process, but in terms of public response.

2 - It will be very minor and he will continue to not take it seriously and perhaps even continue to practice unsafe personal interactions with others. My concerns in this scenario regard impacts both in terms of policy and personal interactions.
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Might raise sympathy. Might "just go away" in two weeks (after the next scheduled debate night passes).
I'm recalling a few elections where the ballots are printed and unable to be revised after a big event affecting a candidate. Presumably Pence would step in as needed. (presidential succession list: speaker of the house is in line after the Veep)

A few posts I've see postulate him and Melania going off to Russia to pursue a miracle cure, connected to all the Deutche Bank loans coming due next year.
 
Hink said:
Just so we are clear, you used a Nancy Pelosi quote that said, " Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts. The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted. "

So what is your point? She said people who call themselves antifa in 2017 should be condemned for specific acts of inciting violence? I am not aware of people in Portland or other areas calling themselves antifa. Is that happening a lot? I mean I know that gets conflated with the BLM movement a lot.

I just don't understand why people think ANTIFA is a coordinated group...

Honestly, I don't have an opinion on the concept, I am just not sure I understand what your point was on utilizing the Nancy Pelosi quote.
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Maister said:
My point was that Antifa isn't even real thing in 2020. It's a shadowy specter cited by Trump.
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It's a shadowy specter cited by both sides - read better, dude.
 
The Washington Post answered my question: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-what-happens-if-candidate-withdraws-or-dies/.

TLDR; If Trump's health declines so that he is unable to serve, basically the RNC would decide who gets to claim all of those electoral college votes for the Republican Party. In that scenario, I would guess that it would be Pence, but it's not required.

Depending on how Trump's health looks over the next couple of weeks, I could see this resulting in a lot more "I'm generally conservative but I dislike Trump enough to vote for Biden this time around" voters choosing to go ahead and vote for Trump hedging their bets that he'd be unable to satisfy his duties.
 
Bubba said:
www.speaker.gov

Pelosi Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

San Francisco -- Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement denouncing the violent protests carried out this weekend in Berkeley, California:
www.speaker.gov www.speaker.gov

Anyhoo, carry on with your "oblique"-ness.
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Let me repeat. Antifa is not a real group. Referring to it like it's some coordinated organization with cogent political aims is disingenuous and misleading. It's ended up being a moniker to attach to anyone looting or committing acts of violence while otherwise peaceful BLM protests are going on. It's news to me there are some people in Berkeley now calling themselves that, but okay even so, that fact still does not create a political organization. Pelosi or Biden have gone on record as condemning ALL violence (something Trump has notably not done) and if that includes people calling themselves 'Antifa' then it's beneficial to use terms that even Trumps supporters might understand. Again there is no Antifa organization, not since before WW2, at any rate.
 
Maister said:
Let me repeat. Antifa is not a real group. Referring to it like it's some coordinated organization with cogent political aims is disingenuous and misleading. It's ended up being a moniker to attach to anyone looting or committing acts of violence while otherwise peaceful BLM protests are going on. It's news to me there are some people in Berkeley now calling themselves that, but okay even so, that fact still does not create a political organization. Pelosi or Biden have gone on record as condemning ALL violence (something Trump has notably not done) and if that includes people calling themselves 'Antifa' then it's beneficial to use terms that even Trumps supporters might understand. Again there is no Antifa organization, not since before WW2, at any rate.
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Ah...scroll back just a wee bit to my reply to Hink.
 
There's already discussion of cancelling the next debate.

NO!

Zoom it and then you can mute the mic...
 
Strange story going around- I don't know what to make of it:

Liberals Ask: Why should we believe Donald Trump has the coronavirus?
economictimes.indiatimes.com

Liberals Ask: Why should we believe Donald Trump has the coronavirus?

Overnight, hundreds of tweets were posted casting doubt, without providing any evidence, on Trump contracting the coronavirus, which has also been confirmed by his physician.
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com

The doubters included Jelani Cobb, a staff writer at The New Yorker, and Anand Giridharadas, editor at large of Time and an occasional contributor to The New York Times.

Some suggested that the announcement from the president could be an excuse to delay the election and cancel future presidential debates.
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Many of the deniers also latched on to a tweet from Sept. 18 that had originally been shared in conspiracy circles but was reshared widely on Facebook and Twitter after Trump’s announcement Friday. “Trump’s October surprise will be the announcement of ‘his infection,’ ” it said. “Fake, but quite dramatic.”
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^^^ theory that he will come out saying - I’m tough, like I’ve been saying no big deal - just social media yapping.
 
"We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here, we will not see terrorism, and isn't that refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of Barack Obama?" -Kayleigh McEnany

www.cnn.com

White House press secretary tests positive for Covid-19

President Trump and first lady Melania Trump have both tested positive for Covid-19. Follow here for the latest.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
Shellac And Vinyl VelocitY said:
Strange story going around- I don't know what to make of it:

Liberals Ask: Why should we believe Donald Trump has the coronavirus?
economictimes.indiatimes.com

Liberals Ask: Why should we believe Donald Trump has the coronavirus?

Overnight, hundreds of tweets were posted casting doubt, without providing any evidence, on Trump contracting the coronavirus, which has also been confirmed by his physician.
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
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If he does indeed have it, why in the hell is he being allowed to return to the WH?
 
Dan said:
"We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here, we will not see terrorism, and isn't that refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of Barack Obama?" -Kayleigh McEnany

www.cnn.com

White House press secretary tests positive for Covid-19

President Trump and first lady Melania Trump have both tested positive for Covid-19. Follow here for the latest.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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When are people going to wake up and realize that these really are TERRIBLE TERRIBLE people. She knowingly ignored and even flaunted all Covid protocols. God knows how many people she infected. This is utter reckless disregard for even the most basic health guidelines. I just wish she would shut her goddamn mouth. She comes across like a vapid porn star. Who knows, in some sick way it probably turns Trump on.
 
AIB Cyburbian posting on FB word of the day -

insouciance​

is lack of concern shown by someone about something that they are expected to take more seriously.
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www.collinsdictionary.com

Insouciance definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Insouciance definition: Insouciance is lack of concern shown by someone about something which they might be... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
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Goldman Sachs thinks a blue wave of Democrats — meaning full control of government via the presidency (Joe Biden), Senate and House — come November could be good for the U.S. economy.

“All else equal, such a blue wave would likely prompt us to upgrade our forecasts. The reason is that it would sharply raise the probability of a fiscal stimulus package of at least $2 trillion shortly after the presidential inauguration on January 20, followed by longer-term spending increases on infrastructure, climate, health care and education that would at least match the likely longer-term tax increases on corporations and upper-income earners,” wrote Goldman Sachs economist Jan Hatzius in a new note to clients on Monday.

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I also believe that if the D's get all three branches we will likely see a spending spree that is unlike anything we have seen in decades. Will that help the economy? Probably, but I am not certain how our national debt can handle the likely large amount of spending we will see.

I do like the concept of actually seeing a national infrastructure upgrade plan. Honestly, I would be happy to actually see some plan on any topics. I miss policy.
 
Salmissra said:
I just look up my state's Poll Watcher rules.

There are 23 pages of regulations: what is a poll watcher, what documentation they have to provide to the election judge on-site, what they are and are not allowed to do while on-site, the limit of watchers per polling location, and other rules based on early voting vs election day sites.

I wonder how many people are going to show up at a polling location thinking they are going to poll watch, and the judge kicks them out because they 1) don't have the required paperwork, and signatures, 2) they refused to turn off electronic equipment, and 3) they want to watch someone actually vote (a big no-no). On the other hand, how many election judges will have the guts to kick them out?
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The intent is to gum up the works and cause delays so that people have to wait in long lines. The hope for the Trump campaign is that people will decide not to vote and just go home. That is why they are targeting areas that are strongly democratic. It is all about disenfranchisement of the poor and people of color.

Same as it ever was.
 
At what point is it enough? The democrat candidate for a senate Seat in NC has now admitted to sending inappropriate messages to a woman who is not his wife, and now there is allegations about an affair with a different woman. Then there is a long list of similar things from both the democrats and republics, and an entire novel of issues with the President...

At what point do we as a society expect more from our elected officials?
 
michaelskis said:
At what point is it enough? The democrat candidate for a senate Seat in NC has now admitted to sending inappropriate messages to a woman who is not his wife, and now there is allegations about an affair with a different woman. Then there is a long list of similar things from both the democrats and republics, and an entire novel of issues with the President...

At what point do we as a society expect more from our elected officials?
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That's the problem. You can expect it. But then don't be surprised when you don't get it. Would you ask this question about your boss? Particularly if it didn't impact his job or his dealings with you. I'm not taking up for the guy in any way whatsoever. And clearly it's something he and his wife are going to need to sort out. But we seem to want our elected officials to not behave like many, many other people. We're all human and we all have failings. Again you can have these expectations but you're just going to be disappointed when they let you down. It's always been a bit of a mystery to me why a "sexual scandal" dooms so many but get convicted of tax evasion or other shady (illegal) business dealings and the politician is able to make a "comeback".
 
michaelskis said:
At what point is it enough? The democrat candidate for a senate Seat in NC has now admitted to sending inappropriate messages to a woman who is not his wife, and now there is allegations about an affair with a different woman. Then there is a long list of similar things from both the democrats and republics, and an entire novel of issues with the President...

At what point do we as a society expect more from our elected officials?
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I don't think morals matter anymore? I mean you can't exactly get mad at that guy and then vote for Trump. Morals are pre-2016.
 
MD Planner said:
That's the problem. You can expect it. But then don't be surprised when you don't get it. Would you ask this question about your boss? Particularly if it didn't impact his job or his dealings with you. I'm not taking up for the guy in any way whatsoever. And clearly it's something he and his wife are going to need to sort out. But we seem to want our elected officials to not behave like many, many other people. We're all human and we all have failings. Again you can have these expectations but you're just going to be disappointed when they let you down. It's always been a bit of a mystery to me why a "sexual scandal" dooms so many but get convicted of tax evasion or other shady (illegal) business dealings and the politician is able to make a "comeback".
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Hink said:
I don't think morals matter anymore? I mean you can't exactly get mad at that guy and then vote for Trump. Morals are pre-2016.
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The part that angers me is I was going to vote for him because of all the shady stuff the current Senator has done. I am not going to vote for either of them now.
 
Kang: Abortions for all.
[crowd boos]

Kang: Very well, no abortions for anyone.
[crowd boos]

Kang: Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
[crowd cheers and waves miniature flags]
 
I do wonder what the world would be like in the news media without Trump at the center... it is almost like I can't remember...

www.vanityfair.com

“This Gravy Train Is Coming to an End”: News Media Begins to Contemplate a Post-Trump White House

While reelection is possible, defeat in November could lead to the media disentangling from Trump after his five-plus years of dominating headlines and cable chyrons. Still, says one editor, “I don’t think the Trump show will end either way.”
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com
 
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