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Local government has quite a bit of influence, but not control and the same could be said for State governments. But I don't think that Trumps incompetence has prevented me from having a better life than I had a year ago. The quality of my life is because of me, not anyone else.
The thing with levels/echelons of government is that the higher up you go, usually the more delay is involved with the impacts resulting from federal policies. I can't think of anything that Trump has done that has impacted my life negatively or positively....yet. The damages for the income tax overhaul won't really be felt for several years as an increasing percentage of the federal budget will have to go towards useless debt-relief as opposed to something useful like healthcare. Similarly, the environmental impacts resulting from things like withdrawing from the Paris Agreements or various executive orders to roll back EPA regulations will take time for their impacts to be felt.
 
Woke up this morning on the first year anniversary of the cheetohead's presidency to a federal gov't shutdown. MAGA. #Trumpshutdown
 
Trump Flubs Key Line In Anti-Abortion Speech
President says it's "wrong" that laws allow babies to be born in the ninth month.

"Right now, in a number of states, the laws allow a baby to be born from his or her mother's womb in the ninth month," Trump said. "It is wrong. It has to change."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...b15e4b002283002c6c0?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
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On a related note, I'm going to direct ZG to start spanking me with Planning magazine.
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D.C.-area bars and restaurants tout shutdown specials


Durbin Soda, To Flake or Not to Flake and C'mon Chuck.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/20/dc-area-bars-and-restaurants-tout-shutdown-specials-352224
 
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They Were Bad. He May Be Worse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/opinion/sunday/trump-bad-presidents-history.html?smid=fb-share

Historians have long looked to a few key criteria in evaluating the beginning of a president's administration.

First and foremost, any new president should execute public duties with a commanding civility and poise befitting the nation's chief executive, but without appearing aloof or haughty.

Only two of the failed presidents had horrendous first years, which, like Mr. Trump's, were a result largely of their own actions.
 
This budget situation is just downright F-ed up. Not because the process is hard, but because both sides have their heads so far up their backsides that neither one is willing to do the right thing. It is because of situations like this that I would love for a new constitutional convention and use that to create a massive reset button. What we have in DC is so far removed from what the founders intended (Based on my reading of the federalist papers, Constitution, Deceleration of Independence, and such).
 
This budget situation is just downright F-ed up. Not because the process is hard, but because both sides have their heads so far up their backsides that neither one is willing to do the right thing. It is because of situations like this that I would love for a new constitutional convention and use that to create a massive reset button. What we have in DC is so far removed from what the founders intended (Based on my reading of the federalist papers, Constitution, Deceleration of Independence, and such).

I don't buy the both sides argument, at least not this time. By all accounts, the Dems tried hard to bargain with Trump, even offering to approve funding for the wall, but Trump balked at the DACA concession. The shutdown is fully on the GOP at this point.
 
I don't buy the both sides argument, at least not this time. By all accounts, the Dems tried hard to bargain with Trump, even offering to approve funding for the wall, but Trump balked at the DACA concession. The shutdown is fully on the GOP at this point.

Yes, the GOP holds the Presidency, and (currently) controls both the House and Senate. They don't need the Dems to pass anything. Not to mention Trump has been angling for a shutdown for some time now. Looks like he got his wish.
 
Yes, the GOP holds the Presidency, and (currently) controls both the House and Senate. They don't need the Dems to pass anything. Not to mention Trump has been angling for a shutdown for some time now. Looks like he got his wish.

Technically the GOP needs 60 votes in the Senate to proceed because it's technically a filibuster, and they only have 51 sitting members. They still need participation from the Dems to do anything. Trump wants McConnell to change the Senate rules to break it, but I don't think the GOP is in favor of that.
 
I don't buy the both sides argument, at least not this time. By all accounts, the Dems tried hard to bargain with Trump, even offering to approve funding for the wall, but Trump balked at the DACA concession. The shutdown is fully on the GOP at this point.

With all due respect you are very wrong on several levels. First of all, Trump is not the GOP and his lack of willingness to get involved in this budget situation is evidence of that. There have been several plans put forth to temporary fund the Government for a few weeks, but the Democrats rather see DC burn than compromise because they think that they will be able to use this to their advantage come election time. And seriously, you really think that anyone is going to approve spending the money for the wall. Trump might want it but I would venture that many of the GOP realize that it would be a profound waste of money.

Neither side is out to do the right thing and perhaps it is best if people stop thinking with a partisan mind and look at what is really going on in DC. There is a ton of other stuff on both sides that could be used to compromise and come up with a real budget, but neither side is willing to do that because they are looking for their own political gain, but too many Americans just want to blame one side or the other.
 
Americans just want to blame one side or the other.

That's really what it all comes down to. Nobody in any sort of power really gives a shit about anything other than remaining in power and being right and the way you do that is to not offer real solutions but to tell people what to be scared of/pissed off about and who is to blame for it.
 
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Technically the GOP needs 60 votes in the Senate to proceed because it's technically a filibuster, and they only have 51 sitting members. They still need participation from the Dems to do anything. Trump wants McConnell to change the Senate rules to break it, but I don't think the GOP is in favor of that.

Probably because McConnell knows that they will be on the receiving end if 2018 goes how most think at this point.

GOP has both chambers and the executive. The fact that they couldn't pull 9 across the aisle is on them. The fact that the Dems were willing to fund the stupid ass wall was a gigantic concession.

There are aspects of the "party equivalence" narrative that are correct (desire to maintain power or obtain more power, etc. as primary motives rather than public good), but that narrative has little to do with this shutdown. What we've seen is Donnie Dealmaker ain't much of a dealmaker. I subscribe to a belief that the GOP & Dems actually had an agreement ready and Trump sabotaged it (likely due to sycophant Stephen Miller whispering in his ear). There's a reason Trumpy did not have a consulting business to assist other companies navigating CEO recruitment, board conflicts, etc.
 
If the Dems vote to give a dime to the wall I'll be beyond pissed. What a colossal waste of money that won't do a freaking thing except screw up the environment.
 
If the Dems vote to give a dime to the wall I'll be beyond pissed. What a colossal waste of money that won't do a freaking thing except screw up the environment.

While trump thinks it's going to be some sort of "wall" we all know it will entail more security, some wall, and a shit ton more drones and surveillance, per what Gen. Kelly said. Personally it doesn't mean a damn thing. When humans want to change their lives for the better, they will find a way.
 
If the Dems vote to give a dime to the wall I'll be beyond pissed. What a colossal waste of money that won't do a freaking thing except screw up the environment.

SNL did a good job:

“some parts see-through, some parts fence, and some parts just empty space that operate on the honor system”
 
While trump thinks it's going to be some sort of "wall" we all know it will entail more security, some wall, and a shit ton more drones and surveillance, per what Gen. Kelly said. Personally it doesn't mean a damn thing. When humans want to change their lives for the better, they will find a way.

[sarcasm] What are you talking about? No one ever got past the great wall of China, and the Berlin Wall was an impenetrable force-field! Can you imagine if we also added a moat with alligators, or better yet, frickin' sharks with lasers! [/sarcasm]

To be 100% serious... does anyone think that Trump will actually get this wall funded. There are some very stupid corrupt people in DC, but I think this is even beyond what they would do.
 
To be 100% serious... does anyone think that Trump will actually get this wall funded. There are some very stupid corrupt people in DC, but I think this is even beyond what they would do.

I'm absolutely certain Trump never believed it would be funded, not by Mexico, not by Congress, not by anyone. It was just an incredibly incendiary campaign "battle cry".
 
If Bill Clinton would have lied half the times pResident tRump has, the Congress would have impeached him..........OH WAIT THEY DID!
 
Do these lyric still ring true ?

You don't really need to find out what's going on
You don't really want to know just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone

Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybody's pie
We love to cut you down to size
Don Henley
 
I can honestly say that I am both disappointed and surprised that Trump has not been impeached.

I am as well, partially due to my belief that the GOP would probably prefer to work with Mike Pence leading the executive branch. The GOP would have gotten far more of their agenda accomplished with him running the show at the White House. Not that I'm complaining... this dysfunction is going to pay dividends in the 2018 election. The GOP is going to rue not having a spine when the public looked to them to hold an authoritarian executive with an absence of basic Constitutional, legal, ethical and moral values in check. Their complicity will be remembered.

This is the flaw Washington warned of in development of parties and a lack of party choice. Too bad that same Constitution created the environment for two party rule and, in this modern era, the near impossibility of creating new parties or killing existing ones. The GOP deserves to die. The Democrats are not too far behind, depending on the direction they take. They still have room to navigate to better waters. The GOP is in the rocks.
 
Do you stand?

I was part of a conversation regarding the kneeling thing for NFL games and if any of the players will kneel at the Super Bowl, when someone in the group made a very interesting and appropriate observation. He asked if anyone stood up and took their hats off when they were watching the game from the comfort of their home or local bar?

What are your thoughts?
 
I was part of a conversation regarding the kneeling thing for NFL games and if any of the players will kneel at the Super Bowl, when someone in the group made a very interesting and appropriate observation. He asked if anyone stood up and took their hats off when they were watching the game from the comfort of their home or local bar?

What are your thoughts?
I do know that everyone in the audience in a theater or anywhere else in public view is expected to stand at attention if you're on a military base.
Yes, at home we always remove our hats and stand at attention when the National Anthem is being played at football games. And then we sing the second and third verses of it after the singer fails to do so in the requisite patriotic manner.

You know, this is in a lot of ways kinda the same topic as the one you raised on a different thread today. These are both instances of publicly demonstrating one's reverence, or patriotism for the world to see.
 
I was part of a conversation regarding the kneeling thing for NFL games and if any of the players will kneel at the Super Bowl, when someone in the group made a very interesting and appropriate observation. He asked if anyone stood up and took their hats off when they were watching the game from the comfort of their home or local bar?

What are your thoughts?

Sounds kinda dumb in hindsight, but I do if the anthem is played on TV.

That said, I couldn't care less if the NFL guys want to sit or kneel for the anthem. It's their choice. I've probably said it before, but the only real difference between a stripper and an NFL player is the paycheck. Both professions exist for my (your) entertainment and nothing more. That's one reason why I really despise the whole "athlete as a role model" thing. Add that to the fact that NFL teams didn't used to even come out of the locker room for the anthem, as far as I know, that's a relatively (90's) invention.
 
Yes, we stand for the anthem in our house, but we're all military families in one way or another. I don't really care what the athletes do since they never really honored it right before all this kneeling crap. Stand still, hand on your heart. Not really that hard, but they still didn't do it. Some did.
 
If we stand at the house, we're usually walking around the house getting our last minute items before the game starts.
There are a couple of us that usually finish the last 2 words of the national anthem because the singers don't. "Play Ball!"

When I do attend games, I'm standing, hats in our hand, held over our heart.
 
Best

As in I have the best words.
This is the best program.

No specifics added, just best.
 
In case you need any more proof that Scott Pruitt is a lying, phony, hypocritical, self-righteous, backpeddling, Trump-apologist sack of $hit

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-chief-doesnt-recall-2016-statements-slamming-trump/

My nomination for drunkfest words would include the following:

Me
Myself
I
great
enormous
fabulous
fantastic

Great choices. I think I'll do the lazy route and just use teh tRump Word Cloud

trumpinauguralwordcloud.jpg
 
So who watched and what did you think of it. A buddy who is a professor at a local college got wind that several of his history students were going to watch it and everyone was going to take a shot everytime he said a lie. He had to warn them yesterday not to do that because they would be dead of alcohol poising before the response. He is also a card carrying conservative.

Personally, I did something more productive and watched the most resent episode of This Old House.

On a side note, the last time there was a Super Blue Blood Moon was during the Civil War, and some people say that as a nation, we the last time we were this divided was back then. I don't think so only because it is progressing into the People vs the President.
 
Personally, I did something more productive and watched the most resent episode of This Old House.
I watched an episode of 'Leverage' followed by an episode of 'The Good Place'

michaelskis said:
it is progressing into the People vs the President.
Turns out Trump is proving to be a great unifier after all, if nothing else than in our disdain for him.
 
So who watched and what did you think of it.

It was really more of a re-election speech than a standard State of the Union (although I suppose most of them are nowadays). He really didn't really address any policy points, save for his immigration plan which largely pissed off the Democrats and was hardly a bi-partisan plan as he said. It was a lengthy speech and really wasn't all that good. Trump isn't an orator like Obama. He trotted out the usual suspects (North Korea defector who lost limbs, Otto Warmbier's parents, a forest service guy who rescued some kids from a fire).

I don't really identify with either party, but I'd say I probably have a more democrat leaning than anything else, and I found it appalling and flat disgraceful that the democrats in attendance didn't stand when Trump entered the room. I don't care what you think of the man, he's still the President and you get nowhere by ignoring civility. I think his wall is a great political metaphor right now, that it's meant solely to divide the parties. It pissed me off when Joe Kennedy III said his generation "will tear it down". How freaking dumb. Let's destroy a wall that cost billions in tax payer dollars just because a republican president built it and you disagree with it. Joe Kennedy III was particularly awful too. He has no charisma, he was glistening with some sort of lip balm (Carmex maybe?) and he just sort of sucked. I guess the Dem's plan to run a Kennedy just because of the political narrative which got them nowhere the last time.

All in all, it sucked and was a waste of 2-3 hours.
 
I decided to watch Lord of the Rings instead. Because if I'm going to see a troll, I'd rather see an actual troll.
 
I never watch the State of the Union or other big addresses, no matter who is delivering it. I cannot stand all the pomp and constant clapping by one party anytime the president says anything they remotely agree with (or are supposed to agree with). I'll read the transcript later today.

My wife was out to dinner with some of her friends so I had complete control of the TV. I used the time to watch the last episode of Last Man on Earth and more of the Ken Burns Vietnam documentary - one final episode to go!
 
I find it amusing that President Reagan is known for standing in Berlin and saying "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall!" to world-wide acclaim. But the current president insists on building a new wall, which is greeted with rousing applause from his Republican darlings. Which is it? Walls or No Walls?

Trump seemed tired last night. FLOTUS looked pissed. Joe Kennedy has the charisma of a cinder block.
 
I find it amusing that President Reagan is known for standing in Berlin and saying "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall!" to world-wide acclaim. But the current president insists on building a new wall, which is greeted with rousing applause from his Republican darlings. Which is it? Walls or No Walls?

Trump seemed tired last night. FLOTUS looked pissed. Joe Kennedy has the charisma of a cinder block.

Yeah I don't think Joe secured his 2020 bid last night. He did secure an advertising agreement with Carmex though.
 
C-Span's coverage of our march last weekend

I pulled a clip of the best part.

 
One other thing that struck me about the SoTU address last night:

The president said:

"I call on congress to empower every cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers, and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people."

That's some scary shit, right there. I swear, he wants to rule, not to govern.
 
CDC Director Brenda Fitzgerald resigns
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/health/cdc-director-fitzgerald-resigns-bn/index.html


The Trump administration's top public health official bought shares in a tobacco company one month into her leadership of the agency charged with reducing tobacco use — the leading cause of preventable disease and death and an issue she had long championed.

The stock was one of about a dozen new investments that Brenda Fitzgerald, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, made after she took over the agency's top job, according to documents obtained by POLITICO. Fitzgerald has since come under congressional scrutiny for slow walking divestment from older holdings that government officials said posed potential conflicts of interest.

Buying shares of tobacco companies raises even more flags than Fitzgerald's trading in drug and food companies because it stands in such stark contrast to the CDC's mission to persuade smokers to quit and keep children from becoming addicted. Critics say her trading behavior broke with ethical norms for public health officials and was, at best, sloppy. At worst, they say, it was legally problematic if she didn't recuse herself from government activities that could have affected her investments.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/30/cdc-director-tobacco-stocks-after-appointment-316245
 
One other thing that struck me about the SoTU address last night:

The president said:

"I call on congress to empower every cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers, and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people."

That's some scary shit, right there. I swear, he wants to rule, not to govern.

Yeah I did not like that one bit. I think he's attempting to fire Wray and Rosenstein. I think he intended for Wray to resign when he forced McCabe out. Wray said as much at least once (that he'd resign if McCabe resigned). The scenario playing out in my head is that once he can make this work, he's gonna toss Sessions out, so the new AG can get rid of Muller, Wray, and Rosenstein in one fell swoop.
 
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