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Bobby Jindal is out! Oh no! .....................Wait, no one cares? Yea that's about right.
 
Hink said:
Bobby Jindal is out! Oh no! .....................Wait, no one cares? Yea that's about right.
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He was running for something?






To shift gears, people are all worked up over this syrian refugee situation. I am not fully in the 'open the doors' camp, but I do think that we should figure out some way to bring them to the US and help them, while still working to make sure that there are not terrorists sneaking in with them. I don't know how to do that at this point in time, but I do think that closing the door is not the American way. I go back to the phrase on the statue of liberty, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" but I still want to point out that it does not say anything about giving me terrorists who want to destroy us.

What are your thoughts on the refugee situation?
 
First it's not like we're going to get the bulk of them. That whole crossing an ocean thing is a barrier.
Second, we can either screen them before they come or set up a place they can show up, get screened (after all, they need visas or something to make them legal - wouldn't want illegal refugees or does the title illegal only refer to selected nations - sorry done ranting) then distribute them around the nation or send them to a city that wants a Little Syria to add to the culture. So yes, bring me the huddled masses, just check them out as best we can and give them a visa.
 
This link outlines the process for being accepted as a refugee in the US. I am somewhat familiar with this process and I can tell you that this is probably the LAST mechanism a terrorist would want to use. It is onerous and THE most scrutinized way to enter this country as a foreigner. Many of these mechanisms (even at the UN level) were established to prevent those guilty of war crimes from hiding among those fleeing conflict. Refugees status is very difficult to get. It would be less risky to sneak across the border or apply for a student visa.

Here are some of the steps:

  • Review and referral by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees
  • Resettlement Support Center Review (includes personal data and background check) and referral to Homeland Security for in-person interview
  • State Department security clearance (may include additional interagency security checks with intelligence agencies, law enforcement, etc.)
  • Fingerprint and facial recognition screening
  • Final security clearance before leaving for US
  • Another review of information to confirm the person entering the country is in fact the person authorized as a refugee

And for the record, a state cannot refuse to admit Syrian refugees.
 
Bad Geography

Is an upside down Vermont the same thing as an upside down cross?? The Ben Carson Camp might think so:facepalm::6::trollface:
http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2015/11/ben_carson_syrian_refugees_us_map.html

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I don't know what's worse, the fact that one of our presidential candidates (at least his staff) can't find an accurate map of the US or that we have to go through this kind of fear mongering every time there's a new wave of refugees. It used to be anti Irish back in the day, then we hated Mexican's (still do), now we hate Syrian's. And for all those politicians and their "base" that want to thump their Bible, Mary was a refugee too.
 
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I don't know what's worse, the fact that one of our presidential candidates (at least his staff) can't find an accurate map of the US or that we have to go through this kind of fear mongering every time there's a new wave of refugees. It used to be anti Irish back in the day, then we hated Mexican's (still do), now we hate Syrian's. And for all those politicians and their "base" that want to thump their Bible, Mary was a refugee too.
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A couple of reports are now saying that the mastermind behind the paris attack was a refugee... it makes me wonder how strict France was with their background checks.

I agree 100% that there should be some way to get those refugees here in the US, while keeping the US safe.

As for maps, I remember one from Michael Dukakis back when he was running that showed the UP as part of Wisconsin. It is a common mistake.
 
dvdneal said:
... And for all those politicians and their "base" that want to thump their Bible, Mary was a refugee too.
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Yeah, but at least Mary spoke English. :wall:

Seriously, its kind of scary when a leading presidential candidate promotes registering all American Muslims and there is pretty much no backlash. We get more worked up by celebrities saying mildly un-PC things than we do serious threats to our constitutional rights by our politicians and those aspiring to be politicians. And this is after a terrorist attack in another country - can you imagine the roll back of constitutional rights and freedoms if another attack happens here?
 
Seabishop said:
Yeah, but at least Mary spoke English. :wall:

Seriously, its kind of scary when a leading presidential candidate promotes registering all American Muslims and there is pretty much no backlash. We get more worked up by celebrities saying mildly un-PC things than we do serious threats to our constitutional rights by our politicians and those aspiring to be politicians. And this is after a terrorist attack in another country - can you imagine the roll back of constitutional rights and freedoms if another attack happens here?
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Can you tell me anything that isn't scary about Trump? (Besides his daughter that is)
 
michaelskis said:
Can you tell me anything that isn't scary about Trump? (Besides his daughter that is)
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Half of that genetic material is Donald Trump's, and half of that genetic material was from someone stupid enough to marry Donald Trump. So yes, she is scary to me. :p
 
michaelskis said:
I agree 100% that there should be some way to get those refugees here in the US, while keeping the US safe.
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We have this place made famous during WWII called Midway Island. It's 1500ac., has a port and an airfield. Why not start there? It's sub-tropical, so no heating or cooling issues, water piping can be laid right on the ground, and the location allows any number of pacific rim countries to send aid. From there, those wanting permanent asylum could apply for it.
 
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We have this place made famous during WWII called Midway Island. It's 1500ac., has a port and an airfield. Why not start there? It's sub-tropical, so no heating or cooling issues, water piping can be laid right on the ground, and the location allows any number of pacific rim countries to send aid. From there, those wanting permanent asylum could apply for it.
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I was thinking something better than that. They are people and have been though so much already.
 
Donald Trump is just incendiary now. Not that he wasn't before, but he is just going bonkers now....

Why the Muslim database won’t doom Trump
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/donald-trump-muslim-database-216116

I find this funny, insomuch as scary funny. Like you laugh at something that truly terrifies you. This guy is just awful.

He is still on the top of the GOP polls too, which I think says something about the republican electorate. Populism is the term that the newspapers are using to be nice, but honestly it just shows we have a huge portion of our population who is scared of things they don't understand, are racists or xenophobic, or are just uneducated on the truth.

He said he will run as an independent again if the GOP doesn't treat him nicely. He is going to sue Kasich for putting negative ads about him on TV in the NH. This guy is a baby with lots of money. One that doesn't understand much, makes threats without thinking about the consequences, and tells on EVERYONE for everything, when he is doing the exact same things as them.

I wish the republicans would just move on. But obviously they went the other way from their 2012 report told them to go....

After 2012, the GOP Set Out to Be More Inclusive. What Happened?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/gop-islam-refugees-213383
 
Hink said:
Donald Trump is just incendiary now. Not that he wasn't before, but he is just going bonkers now....

Why the Muslim database won’t doom Trump
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/donald-trump-muslim-database-216116

I find this funny, insomuch as scary funny. Like you laugh at something that truly terrifies you. This guy is just awful.

He is still on the top of the GOP polls too, which I think says something about the republican electorate. Populism is the term that the newspapers are using to be nice, but honestly it just shows we have a huge portion of our population who is scared of things they don't understand, are racists or xenophobic, or are just uneducated on the truth.

He said he will run as an independent again if the GOP doesn't treat him nicely. He is going to sue Kasich for putting negative ads about him on TV in the NH. This guy is a baby with lots of money. One that doesn't understand much, makes threats without thinking about the consequences, and tells on EVERYONE for everything, when he is doing the exact same things as them.

I wish the republicans would just move on. But obviously they went the other way from their 2012 report told them to go....

After 2012, the GOP Set Out to Be More Inclusive. What Happened?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/gop-islam-refugees-213383
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I am starting to wonder if the GOP base is so frustrated with the candidate pool that they will vote for an outsider despite the stupid crap he spews. I pray that he does not get the nomination.... but like I said, I will vote for Bernie before I vote for Trump. If it comes down to Trump v Hillary, I am going 3rd party.
 
michaelskis said:
I am starting to wonder if the GOP base is so frustrated with the candidate pool that they will vote for an outsider despite the stupid crap he spews. I pray that he does not get the nomination.... but like I said, I will vote for Bernie before I vote for Trump. If it comes down to Trump v Hillary, I am going 3rd party.
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Rubio is going to be the nominee. The question is will Trump go 3rd party and make whoever the D nominee is win?

It doesn't matter if it is Bernie or Clinton if Trump in it 3rd party. The D's win.
 
Hink said:
Rubio is going to be the nominee. The question is will Trump go 3rd party and make whoever the D nominee is win?

It doesn't matter if it is Bernie or Clinton if Trump in it 3rd party. The D's win.
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That's what happened in 1912 (Teddy Roosevelt) and 1992 (Ross Perot).
 
Maister said:
That's what happened in 1912 (Teddy Roosevelt) and 1992 (Ross Perot).
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The GOP know it too. That is why at the first debate they were asked to pledge that they will not run as a 3rd party. Trump was the only one who didn't. He has since said that he wouldn't run, but I don't trust him.
 
michaelskis said:
I am starting to wonder if the GOP base is so frustrated with the candidate pool that they will vote for an outsider despite the stupid crap he spews. I pray that he does not get the nomination.... but like I said, I will vote for Bernie before I vote for Trump. If it comes down to Trump v Hillary, I am going 3rd party.
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Maybe I will vote for Vermin Supreme, after all, he seems more sane than Hillary or Trump.
 
michaelskis said:
Maybe I will vote for Vermin Supreme, after all, he seems more sane than Hillary or Trump.
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Vermin is a regular candidate in the NH Primary the last 3 cycles...and has gotten more votes each time he runs....

2008 Rep. Primary: 41 votes

2012 Dem Primary: 833 votes

2016 Dem Primary: TBD

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FYI: The final list of candidates filed for the NH Primary (by order of filing/party):

Rep Primary:

Donald J. Trump
Joe Robinson
Stephen B. Comley, Sr.
Chomi Prag
Marco Rubio
Carly Fiorina
Tim Cook
John R. Kasich.com
Chris Christie
Richard P.H. Witz
Jim Gilmore
Peter Messina
Walter N. Iwachiw
Andy Martin
Lindsey Graham
Ted Cruz
Rick Santorum
Rand Paul
Stephen John McCarthy
Bobby Jindal
Mike Huckabee
Matt Drozd
Brooks A. Cullison
Kevin Glenn Huey
Frank Lynch
Jeb Bush
George Pataki
Ben Carson
Robert L. Mann
J. Daniel Dyas, Sr.

Dem Primary:

Mark Stewart Greenstein
Martin J. O'Malley
Eric Elbot
Keith Judd
Bernie Sanders
Sam Sloan
Steve Burke
Hillary Clinton
Henry Hewes
Brock C. Hutton
James Valentine
Michael A. Steinberg
Rocky De La Fuente
Lloyd Kelso
William D. French
William H. McGaughey, Jr.
Robert Lovitt
David John Thistle
Star Locke
Raymond Michael Moroz
Richard Lyons Weil
Jon Adams
Steven Roy Lipscomb
John Wolfe
Edward Sonnino
Edward T. O'Donnell, Jr.
Vermin Supreme
Graham Schwass
 
And so Turkey shoots down Russian fighter jet near Syria. I don't think I am going to be traveling to the Soviet region anytime in the future. This is not going to end well for that side of the planet. I just hope we don't get involved.
 
michaelskis said:
And so Turkey shoots down Russian fighter jet near Syria. I don't think I am going to be traveling to the Soviet region anytime in the future. This is not going to end well for that side of the planet. I just hope we don't get involved.
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Considering the Soviet Union hasn't existed for 20+ years, it should be pretty easy to avoid.:r:
 
I'm not too worried about much international spillover from Turkey shooting down a Russian jet. Russia has continuously violated NATO airspace over the past few months (particularly in the Baltics, Norway, and Turkey) with little ramification. They've been testing their boundaries and it looks like somebody, in this case Turkey, finally pushed back. I cannot imagine that Russia is stupid enough to retaliate directly and militarily against Turkey as that would invoke the rest of NATO to respond and no matter what right-leaning media says, Russia would lose that escalation quite spectacularly, although it would not be without losses on the NATO side as well.

My money is on any combination of these responses from Russia:
  • Russia pulls their "support" in the coalition fighting ISIS in Syria
  • Russia ups their support of rebels fighting against Turkey in the area
  • Russia drastically raises the price of the natural gas and other energy that they sell to Turkey which essentially results in an embargo
  • Somebody conducts some significant covert military action in Turkey and rumors will be that they were Russian-funded/trained rebels but there will be direct link
 
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There were riots in response to the police video of the black man being shot 16 times by white police officers because he refused to drop his knife. A day or two ago, it was announced that the police officer was fired and is being charged with murder, and the family of the shooting victim asked that the video not be released in fear of riots.

This is a tricky one. Based on the video, I agree that the police should not have shot the guy. Maybe take him down with a taser or something, but I don't think shooting him was the right thing. The police department seems to be reacting correctly to this situation by charging the officer. The victim should have dropped the knife instead of trying to flee from police. It was evident in the video that he was defiant, but did not appear to be aggressive towards the police.

However, I don't think that rioting is justified in any aspect in this case. It is not like anything is being covered up and the officer is being charged. I think that rioting only makes race relations worse and amplifies stereotypes.

What are your thoughts.
 
The video is damning. I wish for the sake of the mother that it could have been kept out of the media since she didn't want to see it. The 16 year old was defiant, but was not a threat at that distance. The officer escalated force to a clearly inappropriate level when there were multiple non-lethal options available. Chicago PD reacted appropriately with termination and the DA likewise reacted appropriately by charging murder (jury can always convict on lesser charge, such as 2nd degree).

The kid was high on PCP, but wasn't an immediate threat.

It appears folks are mainly just protesting with a couple of morons causing a bit more trouble--certainly not true rioting. I understand protesting, as it is a mechanism to draw increased attention to the incident. It puts their overarching concerns about use of force and questions about equal treatment in the forefront, even if ChicagO PD reacted correctly. Their issue is that this should not have happened at all.
 
michaelskis said:
There were riots in response to the police video of the black man being shot 16 times by white police officers because he refused to drop his knife. A day or two ago, it was announced that the police officer was fired and is being charged with murder, and the family of the shooting victim asked that the video not be released in fear of riots...

What are your thoughts.
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You've definitely confused the definitions of "riot" and "protest". :r:
 
WSU MUP Student said:
You've definitely confused the definitions of "riot" and "protest". :r:
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You are correct, the news report I heard this morning on the local radio station said that there was damage caused last night and people were detained, which I associate with riot. I looked more into it, and it was a very large protest that closed streets and while there was only minor damage, there was also repeated conflicts with police who were trying to keep the situation controlled.

So let me ask you, do you agree with the protestors? Do you think that they they are further amplifying racial stereotypes? Do you think that the protests are justified? Instead of responding to the riot or protest concept, can you express your viewpoint of the overall situation?
 
I do agree with the protesters that young minorities are far too often treated unfairly or in too extreme of a manner by the police and it seems like there is now quite the body of empirical evidence to back that assertion up. I also agree that it is right and just to protest and let the authorities know that their demographic is tired of being treated in a different manner (when it is without cause) than how others are treated in similar situations. The protests serve to call attention to the policing habits in these communities and hopefully change those habits for the better, of course that part is yet-to-be-seen.

When a protest breaks down into a riot and widespread violence or looting occurs, the protesters lose many supporters, often myself included. But just like how much of the most severe damage done in the riots in East Lansing in 1999 was caused by people who weren't even students or members of the MSU community and were just there to cause trouble, I would not be surprised if when a protest of this natures devolves into a riot that many of those causing the damage were not part of the initial protest and just arrived later to make trouble.

(It should also be noted that I am not trying to conflate the riots that happen when a sports team wins or loses a game with the protest of the Black Lives Matter movement).
 
The planned parenthood shootings in Colorado this weekend was an act of terrorism. Please call it what it is. There is no real difference between that and a gunman that goes into a restaurant and shoots into the crowd for religious reasons. This coward kills people because they have a different view than his. His motivation is encouraged by the (proven) fake secretly taped videos of an organization out to denounce planned parenthood missions. This domestic terrorism should be viewed in the same light as international terrorism.

Then Cruz & Carly announce its all a liberal left-wing media plot. :-c:-@:-{

Rant off. Sorry folks.
 
Planit said:
The planned parenthood shootings in Colorado this weekend was an act of terrorism. Please call it what it is. There is no real difference between that and a gunman that goes into a restaurant and shoots into the crowd for religious reasons. This coward kills people because they have a different view than his. His motivation is encouraged by the (proven) fake secretly taped videos of an organization out to denounce planned parenthood missions. This domestic terrorism should be viewed in the same light as international terrorism.

Then Cruz & Carly announce its all a liberal left-wing media plot. :-c:-@:-{

Rant off. Sorry folks.
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The part that gets me is if this person was pro-life, why did he murder innocent people? Seems backwards if you ask me. I think the only thing we know for sure about the shooter is he was not mentally stable.

I agree that this is a form of terrorism and should be treated as such, but as we have seen in the past, this administration does not like to use that phase. The "workplace violence incident" at Ft. Hood is a perfect example.
 
michaelskis said:
The part that gets me is if this person was pro-life, why did he murder innocent people? Seems backwards if you ask me. I think the only thing we know for sure about the shooter is he was not mentally stable.

I agree that this is a form of terrorism and should be treated as such, but as we have seen in the past, this administration does not like to use that phase. The "workplace violence incident" at Ft. Hood is a perfect example.
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So it's "Obama's fault" ?!?!?! Really?

In 1997, Eric Rudolph (The Olympic bomber) bombed a lesbian bar in Atlanta, wounding five people. In 1998, he bombed a reproductive health clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, killing a security guard and injuring a nurse. The “Army of God,” which hosts Rudolph’s writings, claimed credit for his attacks.

In 2010, Justin Moose was arrested for plotting to blow up a Planned Parenthood clinic...he called himself the “Christian counterpart of Osama Bin Laden.”



I called out Cruz & Carly in my post. In their comments they sound like closet supporters of these people. At least "this administration" doesn't do that.

All of our lawmakers need to take a harder stand and talk the same talk concerning domestic terrorism as they do with international terrorism.
 
Planit said:
So it's "Obama's fault" ?!?!?! Really?

In 1997, Eric Rudolph (The Olympic bomber) bombed a lesbian bar in Atlanta, wounding five people. In 1998, he bombed a reproductive health clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, killing a security guard and injuring a nurse. The "Army of God," which hosts Rudolph's writings, claimed credit for his attacks.

In 2010, Justin Moose was arrested for plotting to blow up a Planned Parenthood clinic...he called himself the "Christian counterpart of Osama Bin Laden."



I called out Cruz & Carly in my post. In their comments they sound like closet supporters of these people. At least "this administration" doesn't do that.

All of our lawmakers need to take a harder stand and talk the same talk concerning domestic terrorism as they do with international terrorism.
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If you think I said that the shooting was Obama's fault, show me where I said that. Otherwise quit saying I said things I didn't unless you can back it. However, will it be Obama's fault if it's not classified as terrorism (when it should be)? ABSOLUTELY.

I hope those other cases classified as domestic terrorism too.

Cruz and Carly are irrelevant and will remain that way because they don't know what they are talking about, and neither of them (or will be) president. I disagree with their comments too... but your post was about this being classified as terrorism. Tell me, whose administration has the authority to do that?


(Oh I forgot, this is the Blame Bush, Obama can do no wrong thread. Well you know what, Obama is a terrible president and we as a society are worse off because of it.)
 
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In 1997, Eric Rudolph (The Olympic bomber) bombed a lesbian bar in Atlanta, wounding five people.
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He bombed an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs (north suburban Atlanta) a month earlier - I was two blocks away at the time - screw that guy, and I hope his insides rot while he serves his life sentence.
 
Looking for a bumper sticker

I've been seeing these stupid bumper stickers all over the place:

4 DIED and Hillary LIED!

Does anyone know where I can find a:

4,486 died and BUSH LIED!

bumper sticker?
 
michaelskis said:
(Oh I forgot, this is the Blame Bush, Obama can do no wrong thread. Well you know what, Obama is a terrible president and we as a society are worse off because of it.)
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Personally, I am not the biggest Obama fan, but I certainly don't think he was a terrible President. I assume you think blaming everything on Obama is different than the crowd that blames Bush for everything?

If you wouldn't mind, please let me know what makes him a terrible President, and our society worse for having him as our Chief Executive. I am interested in brevity as I most likely will respond with further questions.
 
Hink said:
Personally, I am not the biggest Obama fan, but I certainly don't think he was a terrible President. I assume you think blaming everything on Obama is different than the crowd that blames Bush for everything?

If you wouldn't mind, please let me know what makes him a terrible President, and our society worse for having him as our Chief Executive. I am interested in brevity as I most likely will respond with further questions.
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  • The Affordable Care Act resulted in further monopolies by the insurance companies resulting in health care that is not affordable to the middle class and lying to the American people when he said that it wasn't a tax, but changed his tune when SOTUS said that it was constitutional to require a private citizen to buy a 3rd party product only because it was a tax
  • Race relations in this country have not improved and seem to be spiraling out of control.
  • While the number of jobs has rebounded but incomes have not despite the cost of living going through the roof.
  • Total failure of the 'shovel ready jobs' stimulus packages.
  • Foreign relations have not improved, and if anything, have suffered.
  • The whole Arab Spring situation where we sold arms to the bad guys.
  • Fast and Furious Gun situation
  • Our boarders are still not secure
  • The gap between the upper and middle class continues to increase
  • More people on government assistance than ever before
  • Increased the national debt more than any other administration
  • Continued to water down the american dollar by continuing and speeding up Bush's bad bailout and economic surplus packages
  • Further complication of the tax policy resulting in more loopholes for those at both ends of the economic spectrum but at the cost of the middle class.
  • IRS harassment of conservative groups
  • Skipping of security briefings
  • Government investment of Solyndra
  • Excessive use of executive action to avoid congressional oversight


By the end of his term, America is worse off than when he was elected with full democratic control of both the House and Senate.

And before you go all "Well Bush did this and Bush did that..." Bush was not a good president either so don't bother.
 
Planit said:
The planned parenthood shootings in Colorado this weekend was an act of terrorism. Please call it what it is. There is no real difference between that and a gunman that goes into a restaurant and shoots into the crowd for religious reasons. This coward kills people because they have a different view than his. His motivation is encouraged by the (proven) fake secretly taped videos of an organization out to denounce planned parenthood missions. This domestic terrorism should be viewed in the same light as international terrorism.. .
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White people killing people in the USA isn't terrorism. For it to be terrorism the perpetrators have to have brown skin and preferably be non-Christian. I am sure the Republican candidates have a Venn diagram explaining that.
 
michaelskis said:
  • The Affordable Care Act resulted in further monopolies by the insurance companies resulting in health care that is not affordable to the middle class and lying to the American people when he said that it wasn't a tax, but changed his tune when SOTUS said that it was constitutional to require a private citizen to buy a 3rd party product only because it was a tax
  • Race relations in this country have not improved and seem to be spiraling out of control.
  • While the number of jobs has rebounded but incomes have not despite the cost of living going through the roof.
  • Total failure of the 'shovel ready jobs' stimulus packages.
  • Foreign relations have not improved, and if anything, have suffered.
  • The whole Arab Spring situation where we sold arms to the bad guys.
  • Fast and Furious Gun situation
  • Our boarders are still not secure
  • The gap between the upper and middle class continues to increase
  • More people on government assistance than ever before
  • Increased the national debt more than any other administration
  • Continued to water down the american dollar by continuing and speeding up Bush's bad bailout and economic surplus packages
  • Further complication of the tax policy resulting in more loopholes for those at both ends of the economic spectrum but at the cost of the middle class.
  • IRS harassment of conservative groups
  • Skipping of security briefings
  • Government investment of Solyndra
  • Excessive use of executive action to avoid congressional oversight
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Just some of the points I have issues with:

Cost of living is definitely not going through the roof, nor has it been since Obama took office, by any reputable measurement. Deflation has been much more of a real concern over the past decade than inflation has been and the consumer price index has grown much slower during Obama's time in office than it did during the previous administration.

A watered down U.S. dollar? The dollar has been at some of its highest levels in years compared to the Yen and the Euro. In fact, there has been a flight to safety in recent years from those foreign markets reinvesting in the stronger dollar.

Our borders are not secure by what measure? Has there been an influx of international terrorists hitting our shores? Deportations are higher than in any previous recent administration. The "borders aren't secure!" always seems to be a canard to me.

Excessive use of Executive Actions? Obama has issued fewer executive actions per term than any president back to Nixon's incomplete 2nd term (had Nixon completed that term, he was on track to issue more than either of Obama's terms and Obama would have issued the fewest since WWI).

Race relations are definitely a two-way street and I've seen much more putrid rhetoric on this from the right than I have from the left. The ugliness started about 20 minutes after McCain conceded the election to Obama.

Regarding the IRS, what one person calls harassment another might call a government agency performing their due diligence to ensure that organizations given tax-free status are indeed operating how they are supposed to be.
 
michaelskis said:
  • The Affordable Care Act resulted in further monopolies by the insurance companies resulting in health care that is not affordable to the middle class and lying to the American people when he said that it wasn't a tax, but changed his tune when SOTUS said that it was constitutional to require a private citizen to buy a 3rd party product only because it was a tax
  • Race relations in this country have not improved and seem to be spiraling out of control.
  • While the number of jobs has rebounded but incomes have not despite the cost of living going through the roof.
  • Total failure of the 'shovel ready jobs' stimulus packages.
  • Foreign relations have not improved, and if anything, have suffered.
  • The whole Arab Spring situation where we sold arms to the bad guys.
  • Fast and Furious Gun situation
  • Our boarders are still not secure
  • The gap between the upper and middle class continues to increase
  • More people on government assistance than ever before
  • Increased the national debt more than any other administration
  • Continued to water down the american dollar by continuing and speeding up Bush's bad bailout and economic surplus packages
  • Further complication of the tax policy resulting in more loopholes for those at both ends of the economic spectrum but at the cost of the middle class.
  • IRS harassment of conservative groups
  • Skipping of security briefings
  • Government investment of Solyndra
  • Excessive use of executive action to avoid congressional oversight
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Al this is one man's fault? Did we not forget the basics of how laws are passed here in the US? Let me give you a refresher..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag

And increased the national debt more than any other administration? Hardly. Our Friend FDR blows Obama out of the water. Hence why we had a 90% tax bracket to help pay back our "borrowing".

When you speak of the upper / middle class gap, hasn't this been an issue for, oh I dunno, since the Nixon days? Come on bro.. half these issues you bring up are just recycle of previous administrations, both R and D.
 
michaelskis said:
  • The Affordable Care Act resulted in further monopolies by the insurance companies resulting in health care that is not affordable to the middle class and lying to the American people when he said that it wasn't a tax, but changed his tune when SOTUS said that it was constitutional to require a private citizen to buy a 3rd party product only because it was a tax
  • Race relations in this country have not improved and seem to be spiraling out of control.
  • While the number of jobs has rebounded but incomes have not despite the cost of living going through the roof.
  • Total failure of the 'shovel ready jobs' stimulus packages.
  • Foreign relations have not improved, and if anything, have suffered.
  • The whole Arab Spring situation where we sold arms to the bad guys.
  • Fast and Furious Gun situation
  • Our boarders are still not secure
  • The gap between the upper and middle class continues to increase
  • More people on government assistance than ever before
  • Increased the national debt more than any other administration
  • Continued to water down the american dollar by continuing and speeding up Bush's bad bailout and economic surplus packages
  • Further complication of the tax policy resulting in more loopholes for those at both ends of the economic spectrum but at the cost of the middle class.
  • IRS harassment of conservative groups
  • Skipping of security briefings
  • Government investment of Solyndra
  • Excessive use of executive action to avoid congressional oversight


By the end of his term, America is worse off than when he was elected with full democratic control of both the House and Senate.

And before you go all "Well Bush did this and Bush did that..." Bush was not a good president either so don't bother.
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I will address most point by point, as that is pretty simple to do, but I don't have time right now. I will do it soon though.

I will say though that many of them are due to the republican congresses unwillingness to compromise. Sure Bush was a large cause of the debt issues, but it wasn't him who is paying for a huge defense budget, or wasting amazing amounts of money on stupid congressional hearings. Those are congress. The idea that those items made America worse off is odd. Because Obama didn't go to security briefings we are worse off? Because the US invested in a green energy company we are worse off?

I will try harder this afternoon or tomorrow.
 
michaelskis said:
  • The Affordable Care Act resulted in further monopolies by the insurance companies resulting in health care that is not affordable to the middle class and lying to the American people when he said that it wasn't a tax, but changed his tune when SOTUS said that it was constitutional to require a private citizen to buy a 3rd party product only because it was a tax
  • Race relations in this country have not improved and seem to be spiraling out of control.
  • While the number of jobs has rebounded but incomes have not despite the cost of living going through the roof.
  • Total failure of the 'shovel ready jobs' stimulus packages.
  • Foreign relations have not improved, and if anything, have suffered.
  • The whole Arab Spring situation where we sold arms to the bad guys.
  • Fast and Furious Gun situation
  • Our boarders are still not secure
  • The gap between the upper and middle class continues to increase
  • More people on government assistance than ever before
  • Increased the national debt more than any other administration
  • Continued to water down the american dollar by continuing and speeding up Bush's bad bailout and economic surplus packages
  • Further complication of the tax policy resulting in more loopholes for those at both ends of the economic spectrum but at the cost of the middle class.
  • IRS harassment of conservative groups
  • Skipping of security briefings
  • Government investment of Solyndra
  • Excessive use of executive action to avoid congressional oversight


By the end of his term, America is worse off than when he was elected with full democratic control of both the House and Senate.

And before you go all "Well Bush did this and Bush did that..." Bush was not a good president either so don't bother.
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Will you give Obama credit for the increase in gun ownership in the US?
 
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