DOD, I can not find where say I want more government regulation of seeds, because I don't. If anything I would like to see the government reduce the protections that it gives Monsanto. I use heirloom seeds, so I really don't care what other people buy.
You seem to argue with my post because you don't agree with me, which is ok, but you also seem to get emotional about it and it progresses into very light personal attacks. If that is what you want to do, I personally don't care, but I have come to realize that responding in an emotional way is not going to solve anything. In many cases I see your point of view and while I don't agree with it, I am not going to tell you have to change to meet my point of view... Well in 99% of things anyways. If people want to go out and use lead free ammo, I am not going to tell them that they can't. If someone wants to use GMO seeds and beef with growth hormone, I am not going to tell them that they need to use something else.
I want you to know that I have no hard feelings for you because of your political views.
That's good, because it is not about hard feelings. It is about fact based inquiry about how we can all manage to create a society to live in.
It is apparent that you don't know anything about GMO seed. This was your statement from a few pages ago:
"I don' think anyone would question that. But given the chemicals and genetically modified foods that we commonly buy at the supermarket, you are getting angry about the mosquito on your arm while the wolf is eating your leg. When you become a vegan that only eats non GMO organic certificated foods, only uses power and transportation that does not burn fossil fuels, and lives a perfect life in total harmony with nature and society, then I will stand right by you and scream at the top of my lungs that we need to ban everything that is unhealthy."
I am mystafied that facts have no impact on any of your views. GMO's may have some harmful effects, and other ancillary side effects that are neither harmful or helpful. Their upside is they greatly increase crop yields. You would say that the market place should sort it out. OK... we can do that. Don't step into the way of the courts. Don't provide business government protections to Monsanto etc. et. all. Mandate i.e. regulate, that GMO's are tracked from seed to store shelf AND are clearly labeled on ALL packaging where they are used in order to allow the CONSUMER in the market place to decide if they want to use it.
Sadly, you contradict yourself in your statements At the start of the reply. You state that if someone then wants to eat GMO or growth hormones, you are not going to stop them. When the argument gets hard, you deflect to another strange statement assuming there is a hypocritical discrepancy between my policy beliefs. Nope, I believe that lead ammo should be out the door and protections for producers of GMO's should be stopped. I believe GMO's should be regulated from seed to packaging. In TRUE capitalist believer model (you are not), the buyers in the market place will decide weather they want GMO products, BECAUSE THE CONSUMERS OF THOSE PRODUCTS WILL BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Not the manufacturers. Your reply at the start, is a CORPORATIST argument, not a CAPITALIST statement. In a capitalist culture, the manufacturur/provider puts a good out there, and if the CONSUMERS of that good, like it, they will keep the producer of that product in business. Capitalism runs on the idea of being able to understand what you are buying. This includes buying a bike, or a car, or kitchen knives. In some instances, you are buying a product on faith, because there is no real way to know what is in the product. For example, our food.
For instance, your family is on a road trip and you all get hungry and so you decide to pull over for fuel and a burger at a Jack in the Box. You assume that the meat in your burger are safe to eat. Could be, most are. Except for on this day, there is a harmful strain of Ecoli on them in that batch of meat. You and your wife get really sick along with 600 others. Your child suffers haemolytic-uraemic syndrome and experiences bloody diarrhea and subsequently dies. In your world, you seem to believe that any regulation is to much, so you are not owed a dime by either the Jack in the Box, or the meat producers.
In a decent society, the one most of the rest of us want to live, there is a system to deal with such damage. In this instance, it is called insurance. Both the Jack in the Box, and meat producer would both have this valuable item to cover the inevitable lawsuits that would legitimately arise from the production and sale of tainted meats. In the instance above, even the restaurant chain would not be aware of the methods of production. The JITB only resells what they buy in bulk. You take it on faith that the JITB has quality control issues under control. This is similar with GMO's. They are now present in 75 to 80 percent of conventional processed food in the U.S., according to the Grocery Manufacturers Association. That means you go to the store and they are in products you have no idea what because there is no labeling requirement. You CAN'T make an informed choice because there is no requirement to label the product. Saying that is OK is a CORPORATIST model of doing business and not a CAPITALIST model.
You see, lawsuits are how new technologies insert themselves into a system to find their new place and also how improper use/method/production/damages are punished and properly provide borders. Its not just that farmers have to plan their planting ahead months in advance, its that they could be planting plants that infect/impregnate/harm/damage the crops of other farmers. The Monsanto protection act, prevents the working out of how to properly use the genetically modified seeds and how to manage damage associated with their use. An example of this in the making is driverless cars and who is at fault if there is an accident.
So, know your subject matter, because you don't. Allowing poisons, carcinogens, and encouraging the genetic arms races between plants and animals without regulation, is a really dumb idea that will cost WAY more than letting the market work itself out properly.
It is OK for a person to be a corporate shill, but it is not a capitalist society being supported.
