NEVERENDING ♾️ The NEVERENDING Political Discussion Thread

[michaelskis]

They're in a tough spot, but I'd also be worried if I were her about new ACA premiums. We're expecting five more rural hospitals to close if they take affect.

And a CR would not change the past premiums. That would be with a new budget. But it feels like the Democrats want the American people to feel pain so they can blame it on Trump and this administration. There are enough things to blame Trump on. An actual approved budget can be one, but the Democrat Party is just playing games with the lack of a CR.

 

[Gedunker]

[OT]It is officially named the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Using the incorrect name, innocently or not, is insulting. Using someone's proper name is the barest minimum civility expects. Without that simple courtesy, it's hard to imagine earning trust on more complex negotiations.[/OT]

We have a president that refuses to spend money appropriated by congress. We have a president that clearly operates extra-constitutionally (see, for example TikTok) and clearly has an expansive view of his powers. We have a congressional majority that stands by and shrugs, while its leadership refuses to reconvene the house because leadership can't whip them into loyalty (see for example Epstein files/Rep. Grijalva). /we have a court majority that clearly subscribes to the idea of a unitary executive. Our republic is slipping away piece by piece and somehow the opposition party is to blame for taking a stand for the people?

As for me and my family, we don't think so.

 

[DVD]

And a CR would not change the past premiums. That would be with a new budget. But it feels like the Democrats want the American people to feel pain so they can blame it on Trump and this administration. There are enough things to blame Trump on. An actual approved budget can be one, but the Democrat Party is just playing games with the lack of a CR.

You keep blaming it on the democrats like there isn't another party that started all this crap. Personally, I blame all the politicians for not doing their job and representing the people, but mostly the republicans.

 

[WSU MUP Student]

The Dems agreed to a CR back in the spring to keep the government going and then the Trump and the Executive Branch promptly refused to actually follow through with the funding and the programs that Congress passed the bill to appropriate. These "pocket recissions" by the Executive Branch are generally considered illegal but Congress cannot/will not do anything about it because Johnson refuses to even allow any sort of debate on the topic since the Rs control what makes it to the House floor. Cases will work their way through the courts regarding pocket recissions and Trump's failure to appropriate the funds that Congress has mandated but that will be a slow process and even if the courts don't just bow down to the Trump administration, it will be too little too late. The damage will be done.

As painful as it is to see SNAP benefits pause or end (or whatever program somebody wants to pick as their hill to die on), I don't see how the Dems can agree to pass a CR with the promise that the Rs or Trump will agree to work out some sort of deal for funding in the future. They've shown they cannot be trusted to actually follow through on funding they've already agreed to.

Dems have been hammering that the shut down is primarily about Medicaid subsidies and that's all well and good but I think a lot more of it is about standing up to the Rs and the Trump Administration riding roughshod over congressionally mandated spending and programs that the funds were already appropriated. However, that's a much more difficult concept to for them to message and communicate about.

 

[JNA]

 

[michaelskis]

You keep blaming it on the democrats like there isn't another party that started all this crap. Personally, I blame all the politicians for not doing their job and representing the people, but mostly the republicans.

Tell me why you think that Republicans are to blame instead of Democrats for the Government continuing to be shut down. You say that is what you personally believe, and I would like to know why.

 

[Planit]

^^^Republicans have said - let's do a CR then we'll talk about health care - but that talk never comes.
Dems are just playing hardball like the Rs have done repeatedly & broken promises.

 

[Wannaplan?]

[OT]It is officially named the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Using the incorrect name, innocently or not, is insulting. Using someone's proper name is the barest minimum civility expects. Without that simple courtesy, it's hard to imagine earning trust on more complex negotiations.[/OT]

{On Topic}This plainly suggests a weird off-putting smugness, or a self-own of crybaby syndrome, especially on discussion boards where typos are ubiquitous and easily understood, as well as a place where varying degrees of educational attainment and deployment of linguistic prowess are innate to its functioning. D or R, we all know what is meant by the Democrats or the Democrats party, the democratic party, the party of the people.{/OT]

 

[bureaucrat#3]

^^^Republicans have said - let's do a CR then we'll talk about health care - but that talk never comes.
Dems are just playing hardball like the Rs have done repeatedly & broken promises.

One of the bigger problems now is that the administration feels it can use a pocket recission even if a deal is made. There is almost no possibility of a good faith negotiations.

 

[mendelman]

We need to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate...but, like the Electoral College, both sides like it too much when they want it.

 

[michaelskis]

^^^Republicans have said - let's do a CR then we'll talk about health care - but that talk never comes.
Dems are just playing hardball like the Rs have done repeatedly & broken promises.

There hasn't been a CR, there hasn't been debate, and the Democrats have threatened a filibuster unless they get everything they want. It's not playing hardball, it is holding the most vulnerable in this country hostage as political pawns.

[OT]It is officially named the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Using the incorrect name, innocently or not, is insulting. Using someone's proper name is the barest minimum civility expects. Without that simple courtesy, it's hard to imagine earning trust on more complex negotiations.[/OT]

I apologize. With a website like Democrats.org, I didn't think it would be so offensive. But hey, if this is a card in your argument, play it.

 

[MD Planner]

They are all assholes. Every single senator who left DC instead of trying to figure it out is an asshole. When you're too busy worrying about keeping your job instead of DOING your job you are a coward. I'm so sick of cowards.

 

[DVD]

Tell me why you think that Republicans are to blame instead of Democrats for the Government continuing to be shut down. You say that is what you personally believe, and I would like to know why.

I'll start with what MD Planner said. All assholes. Do your damn job.
I was going to start with the fact that my state is not 100% represented as we are still waiting for our congresswoman to be sworn in. She's not my district, but remember that whole being represented part. A large portion of Arizona is not. Why? The GOP refuses to sit and do their job. Back to MD's point, assholes.

Why is it the GOP fault? They have the majority. You're telling me their idea isn't good enough to sway - I think someone said 7 votes. It does take two sides, but the Dems have compromised much more often than the GOP. I'm glad they're drawing the line somewhere and that somewhere is public health and not immigration or the other distraction things the GOP likes to point at and do nothing about.

The big ticket item, military pay, was done by the Pres. not congress. I don't think the Pres has the power to do that. Doesn't the power of the purse belong to congress. Now that the big item is off the table, the GOP can sit on their hands and not offend their voters.

Of course it's also those damn liberals holding things up for um...health care? Who wants that.

Generally I'm also not going to side with any of the GOP because I'm holding them all accountable for not doing their job and not doing the right thing over and over in the past many years. The president does unconstitutional stuff. Meh. It's fine. The president is a criminal. Meh it's fine. Tourists were punching cops. Meh. A confederate flag was in my capital building. Meh. The list of things that the GOP doesn't stand up for is endless. I'll stand with the Dems even if they don't aways represent me. Although back to MDs point, all assholes. The Dems aren't 100% innocent either, but at least they're trying.