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Richmond Jake said:
"Grab them by the p----. You can do anything."

It's beyond the scope of my imagination how anybody could vote for this scum. (Sorry, scum. Didn't mean to insult you.)

Two of my division managers are attending his rally on Tuesday.
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Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Hillary could opt just not to show up to the debate, and she would still win it at this point.
 
I find it very funny that the Republicans that are still backing Trump keep saying things like "but Bill Clinton . . ." Good grief, that's a schoolyard argument coming from the party that likes to act like they've cornered the market on "family values."
 
I had to turn it off already. He is utterly unprepared. And last I checked, Bill Clinton wasn't running for President. Oh by the way, he also said America is great. I thought that's why he was running, because it's not great anymore but he'll make it great again.

Although to be fair, HRC did try to personally destroy the reputations of all Bill's women so I guess what goes around comes around.

Both just horrible, horrible people.
 
I did not watch the debate. I did not want to watch two clowns fling mud and hate at each other knowing that I will not vote for either of them.

However, after everything that has happened, I really want to see Jill Stein and Gary Johnson on the stage with Trump and Clinton for the last debate. Just to show America that there are choices other than Clinton or Trump.

I think Clinton will win but I don't think that she will get 50% of the total popular vote.
 
After 45 mins. of watching the Hairy Cheeto not answer a question & lurk behind H, I went to bed and turned on the ALDS.
 
JNA said:
So was it a train wreck ?
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Sort of. Trump started off really badly, but then got slightly less bad. It was pretty tense. He refused to refer to Hillary Clinton as anything other than "her" or "she" for a large portion of the debate. And he did this weird pacing/stalking thing around the platform the whole time.

But, he did pull it together a little for the second half of the debate. I wouldn't say that either of them clearly won by any sort of major margin. But Trump did look more prepared than he had been for the first debate, and it looked like he had probably taking some advice from his advisers about deflecting questions about the statements. Aside from saying the exact opposite of his running mate when a question about Russia came up. Then when they asked him about it, he said that he disagreed with Pence...

Really, though, Hillary won the experience, even if I wouldn't necessarily say she won the debate. She basically just had to not say something super dumb, and she achieved that. :)
 
JNA said:
So was it a train wreck ?
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Pretty much. Another debate of no substance. Very little policy discussions. I'm not a fan of either of them, but so far, both debates have been very biased towards Trump destruction. The moderators for this one slaughtered him without giving the same grief to Clinton. It was hard to watch. Martha Raddatz was a complete witch, and Cooper wasn't much better. Clinton comes across as so condescending, it's really infuriating.

Planit said:
After 45 mins. of watching the Hairy Cheeto not answer a question & lurk behind H, I went to bed and turned on the ALDS.
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I turned on the ALDS right at the bottom of the 10th. What an ending!
 
What Trump said was wrong and it shows his lack of character and this is just one of many reasons that we should not vote for him.

However, a buddy pointed out an interesting possible double standard. Is it ok for over 2 million people to buy a book that describes situations far worse that what trump said. Then they went and made the movie 50 Shades of Grey. What does that say about us as a society?
 
michaelskis said:
What Trump said was wrong and it shows his lack of character and this is just one of many reasons that we should not vote for him.

However, a buddy pointed out an interesting possible double standard. Is it ok for over 2 million people to buy a book that describes situations far worse that what trump said. Then they went and made the movie 50 Shades of Grey. What does that say about us as a society?
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I'm not defending the Shades of Grey books (or pornographic types of materials in general). I choose not to expose myself to those kinds of... publications? But I don't think they're actually equivalent.
 
michaelskis said:
What Trump said was wrong and it shows his lack of character and this is just one of many reasons that we should not vote for him.

However, a buddy pointed out an interesting possible double standard. Is it ok for over 2 million people to buy a book that describes situations far worse that what trump said. Then they went and made the movie 50 Shades of Grey. What does that say about us as a society?
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Two million people bought a book that is a work of fiction that describes private actions between consenting adults.

Trump was discussing his desire to and possible penchant for forcing himself on women and assaulting them without their consent.

These are not comparable categories.
 
Didn't watch one second of the debate but just read about how Trump said he'd imprison Clinton if he's elected. Wow, imprisoning one's political opponents: apparently it's not just for third world dictatorships anymore :r:
 
WSU MUP Student said:
Two million people bought a book that is a work of fiction that describes private actions between consenting adults.

Trump was discussing his desire to and possible penchant for forcing himself on women and assaulting them without their consent.

These are not comparable categories.
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Trump was having a conversation with another guy about his personal interactions with woman while he was unaware that he was being recorded. Was it inappropriate absolutely, but so is the book. Personally, I would like to see these woman that he did this to come forward with charges to show that it was not consensual.

I am not approving of anything that he did, but I do wonder if it is a sign of a larger issue in our society. He was nominated as the GOP nominee by a vote of the people. Culture is becoming too welcoming of these types of activities and situations. There are so many TV shows now that my kids can't watch. Hawaii 5-0 for example is full of this stuff. I don't remember the A-Team or Knightrider being like that when I was a kid.
 
michaelskis said:
Trump was having a conversation with another guy about his personal interactions with woman while he was unaware that he was being recorded. Was it inappropriate absolutely, but so is the book. Personally, I would like to see these woman that he did this to come forward with charges to show that it was not consensual.

I am not approving of anything that he did, but I do wonder if it is a sign of a larger issue in our society. He was nominated as the GOP nominee by a vote of the people. Culture is becoming too welcoming of these types of activities and situations. There are so many TV shows now that my kids can't watch. Hawaii 5-0 for example is full of this stuff. I don't remember the A-Team or Knightrider being like that when I was a kid.
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http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

http://fortune.com/2016/10/03/donald-trump-apprentice-sexually-demeaning/

From The Atlantic: Ivana Trump said during a deposition in their divorce case that she “felt violated” and that her husband had raped her. Later, Ivana Trump released a statement saying: “During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. [O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

Here's another one: http://www.wsj.com/articles/video-p...ld-trumps-history-of-lewd-comments-1475985718

And these are just from sources that I consider to be at least somewhat respected. There are documented issues where he did real, actual, physical harm to people. And that is not including the fact that words themselves are often harmful.

As to your second point, it is a huge reflection of the culture that people were willing to go along with many other despicable things he has said/done up to this point. Although I am really frustrated that this disgust hasn't come until now, I am glad it's coming prior to the election. And I do agree that our society has gotten too accepting of some of this, but I also know there's a strong counter-culture movement that is calling these types of comment and behavior out for what it is - harmful to women and continuing to propogate a rape culture where men that assault women are made out to be victims (instead of the women they assault).
 
gtpeach said:
Here's another one: http://www.wsj.com/articles/video-p...ld-trumps-history-of-lewd-comments-1475985718

And these are just from sources that I consider to be at least somewhat respected. There are documented issues where he did real, actual, physical harm to people. And that is not including the fact that words themselves are often harmful.

As to your second point, it is a huge reflection of the culture that people were willing to go along with many other despicable things he has said/done up to this point. Although I am really frustrated that this disgust hasn't come until now, I am glad it's coming prior to the election. And I do agree that our society has gotten too accepting of some of this, but I also know there's a strong counter-culture movement that is calling these types of comment and behavior out for what it is - harmful to women and continuing to propogate a rape culture where men that assault women are made out to be victims (instead of the women they assault).
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I think it is far worse that we as a society are willing to admit, especially on college campuses where the administration is too worried about the bad press to actually do anything constructive about it. For years there has been the idea that sex sells and with the media's response to put more of it on TV, then people are almost becoming accepting of it. Think about all the movies and tv shows that you have seen where situations like this have happen. I would venture to guess that unless it was a cop show, they showed the event in a positive light.

I think that we as a society need to send a message that it is not OK for a presidential candidate to say things like this, that it is not ok for the media to portray events like this being acceptable, and absolutely need to send a message to offenders in our society that what you have done is wrong and that there will be consequences.



In terms of what Donald said, I was thinking of the other women where he thought his celebrity status gave him a pass to act inappropriately and where they want to seek criminal prosecution.
 
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michaelskis said:
In terms of what Donald said, I was thinking of the other women where he thought his celebrity status gave him a pass to act inappropriately and where they want to seek criminal prosecution.
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Gotcha! I guess for me, it doesn't matter if he was talking about actual things he did to actual women or not since he's already got a pretty bad track record of treating women in pretty horrible ways.
 
michaelskis said:
In terms of what Donald said, I was thinking of the other women where he thought his celebrity status gave him a pass to act inappropriately and where they want to seek criminal prosecution.
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From NPR:

Since the tape came out on Friday, news articles have quoted one woman accusing Trump of kissing her unwantedly and another woman accusing him of touching her crotch unwantedly. However, these are only allegations.

Reference 1: The Times spoke with Temple Taggart, a 21-year-old Miss Utah, who was startled by how forward Mr. Trump was with young contestants like her in 1997, his first year as an owner of Miss USA, a branch of the beauty pageant organization. As she recalls it, he introduced himself in an unusually intimate manner.

“He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought: ‘Oh, my gosh. Gross.’ He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like, ‘Wow, that’s inappropriate.’”

After watching the newly released recording of Mr. Trump bragging about pushing himself on women and kissing them without permission, Ms. Taggart said she sees her own experience in a new and harsher light.

“It was like, ‘Thank you.’ Now no one can say I made this up,” Ms. Taggart said in an interview on Saturday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/us/politics/trump-women-history.html

Reference 2: Harth and her longtime boyfriend were in meetings with Trump to forge a business partnership. “He was relentless,” Harth recalled in an interview, describing how on Dec. 12, 1992, he took the couple to dinner and a club — and then situated himself beside Harth and ran his hands up her skirt, to her crotch. “I didn’t know how to handle it. I would go away from him and say I have to go to the restroom. It was the escape route.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html
 
Yesterday, I actually got into an argument with someone I work with over the election. It started out as just a discussion back and forth with one co-worker. We've discussed our political differences before and it's always remained friendly. But then another person jumped in and I felt like I was being attacked and got defensive - I didn't handle it well, but she was also out of line.

Is anyone else experiencing extreme election anxiety? I'm officially staying off Facebook for the rest of the election, I think. I'm going to end up with an ulcer otherwise, and I've already sent in my absentee ballot, so there's really no point in subjecting myself to that.
 
gtpeach said:
Is anyone else experiencing extreme election anxiety? I'm officially staying off Facebook for the rest of the election, I think. I'm going to end up with an ulcer otherwise, and I've already sent in my absentee ballot, so there's really no point in subjecting myself to that.
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I can't think of any election (local, state, or national) that I've cared less about.
 
I don't post much on The Facebook so I'm safe there. Here I get called "The Democrat" and my actions are just me being a democrat. Everyone, except maybe one or two, is a Trump supporter because they hate Hillary that much.

FYI, I've always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I'm a flaming liberal in this state. Then again, I haven't seen a Republican I would have supported for the office since John McCain (pre dumb lady VP)
 
dvdneal said:
I don't post much on The Facebook so I'm safe there. Here I get called "The Democrat" and my actions are just me being a democrat. Everyone, except maybe one or two, is a Trump supporter because they hate Hillary that much.

FYI, I've always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I'm a flaming liberal in this state. Then again, I haven't seen a Republican I would have supported for the office since John McCain (pre dumb lady VP)
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I would consider myself flat out moderate, and based on where I am (Liberty University and/or Jerry Falwell sound familiar?) I am also a flaming liberal...
 
dvdneal said:
I don't post much on The Facebook so I'm safe there. Here I get called "The Democrat" and my actions are just me being a democrat. Everyone, except maybe one or two, is a Trump supporter because they hate Hillary that much.

FYI, I've always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I'm a flaming liberal in this state. Then again, I haven't seen a Republican I would have supported for the office since John McCain (pre dumb lady VP)
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I think that people want to label other people when it comes to politics. I don't fall into a category, but because I have not voted for a democrat president, I am called a republican. However I have voted for more liberal mayors and council people than conservative ones, but apparently that does not matter. Too often people think that politics are Republican or Democrat and that it should be the same regardless of the race. Personally I think that is the dumbest possible approach imaginable which is why I am so against straight ticket voting.

People need to start voting for the person they want to be in office. Not the letter behind their name or in fear that someone else is going to get elected.
 
michaelskis said:
I think that people want to label other people when it comes to politics. I don't fall into a category, but because I have not voted for a democrat president, I am called a republican. However I have voted for more liberal mayors and council people than conservative ones, but apparently that does not matter. Too often people think that politics are Republican or Democrat and that it should be the same regardless of the race. Personally I think that is the dumbest possible approach imaginable which is why I am so against straight ticket voting.

People need to start voting for the person they want to be in office. Not the letter behind their name or in fear that someone else is going to get elected.
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I'm kind of the same. I believe what I believe and I vote for the person, not the party. Straight ticket voting is the worst and I can't stand the I'm voting person A because person B is horrible. This election really pushes that idea, but think to past elections when it was don't vote for them because they're a (D/R). I want to vote for a person because I think they might actually do the job right and get something done. I guess I don't get to do that this election.
 
gtpeach said:
Is anyone else experiencing extreme election anxiety? I'm officially staying off Facebook for the rest of the election, I think. I'm going to end up with an ulcer otherwise, and I've already sent in my absentee ballot, so there's really no point in subjecting myself to that.
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I've only got like 50 or 60 total friends on Facebook. Besides my wife and one of her cousins, I don't have any family members (none of my brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, cousins, etc.) and no coworkers. Everybody is either somebody I know from grade school or grad school, or the Marine Corps. Because I work for an elected official who I might not always agree with politically, I tend not to post much political stuff on there one way or the other. Looking at what the people on my friends list post, it surprises me how I've self-selected a group of friends, from childhood on, who appear to have formed very similar political beliefs to myself. The exception is some of my friends from the Marine Corps who tend to skew either waaaaayyyyy to the right or way to the left of me on certain issues. And because I rarely comment on, or "like" their political posts, Facebook's magical algorithms filter out a lot of their political postings from my newsfeed in general (if I click through to their actual profile, I've realized they post a lot of stuff that I usually never see).

I like that. It keeps my blood pressure lower.
 
early voting in Indiana starts on Monday Oct 24,

so would you be worried voting for either one and then have something happen in between the actual election day ?

or would that be potentially up to the Electoral College ?
 
JNA said:
early voting in Indiana starts on Monday Oct 24,

so would you be worried voting for either one and then have something happen in between the actual election day ?

or would that be potentially up to the Electoral College ?
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I've already mailed in my absentee ballot for this year. I mean, at this point, would anything else happening really change anything?
 
I'm going to vote on Election Day, mainly to see what's going on at the polls and if there will be any fights.
 
Planit said:
I'm going to vote on Election Day, mainly to see what's going on at the polls and if there will be any fights.
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Same here.


I also think what Mike Rowe said is very interesting. I love the line about the AR-15

Voice of Deadliest Catch said:
“Hi Jeremy,
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. I also share your concern for our country, and agree wholeheartedly that every vote counts. However, I’m afraid I can’t encourage millions of people whom I’ve never met to just run out and cast a ballot, simply because they have the right to vote. That would be like encouraging everyone to buy an AR-15, simply because they have the right to bear arms. I would need to know a few things about them before offering that kind of encouragement. For instance, do they know how to care for a weapon? Can they afford the cost of the weapon? Do they have a history of violence? Are they mentally stable? In short, are they responsible citizens?”

“Casting a ballot is not so different. It’s an important right that we all share, and one that impacts our society in dramatic fashion. But it’s one thing to respect and acknowledge our collective rights, and quite another thing to affirmatively encourage people I’ve never met to exercise them. And yet, my friends in Hollywood do that very thing, and they’re at it again.”

“Every four years, celebrities and movie stars look earnestly into the camera and tell the country to ‘get out and vote.’ They tell us it’s our ‘most important civic duty,’ and they speak as if the very act of casting a ballot is more important than the outcome of the election. This strikes me as somewhat hysterical. Does anyone actually believe that Leonardo DiCaprio, Ellen DeGeneres, and Ed Norton would encourage the ‘masses’ to vote, if they believed the ‘masses’ would elect Donald Trump?”

“Regardless of their political agenda, my celebrity pals are fundamentally mistaken about our ‘civic duty’ to vote. There is simply no such thing. Voting is a right, not a duty, and not a moral obligation. Like all rights, the right to vote comes with some responsibilities, but let’s face it – the bar is not set very high. If you believe aliens from another planet walk among us, you are welcome at the polls. If you believe the world is flat, and the moon landing was completely staged, you are invited to cast a ballot. Astrologists, racists, ghost-hunters, sexists, and people who rely upon a Magic 8 Ball to determine their daily wardrobe are all allowed to participate. In fact, and to your point, they’re encouraged.”

“The undeniable reality is this: our right to vote does not require any understanding of current events, or any awareness of how our government works. So, when a celebrity reminds the country that ‘everybody’s vote counts,’ they are absolutely correct. But when they tell us that ‘everybody in the country should get out there and vote,’ regardless of what they think or believe, I gotta wonder what they’re smoking.”

“Look at our current candidates. No one appears to like either one of them. Their approval ratings are at record lows. It’s not about who you like more, it’s about who you hate less. Sure, we can blame the media, the system, and the candidates themselves, but let’s be honest – Donald and Hillary are there because we put them there. The electorate has tolerated the intolerable. We’ve treated this entire process like the final episode of American Idol. What did we expect?”

“So no, Jeremy – I can’t personally encourage everyone in the country to run out and vote. I wouldn’t do it, even if I thought it would benefit my personal choice. Because the truth is, the country doesn’t need voters who have to be cajoled, enticed, or persuaded to cast a ballot. We need voters who wish to participate in the process. So if you really want me to say something political, how about this – read more.”

“Spend a few hours every week studying American history, human nature, and economic theory. Start with “Economics in One Lesson.” Then try Keynes. Then Hayek. Then Marx. Then Hegel. Develop a worldview that you can articulate as well as defend. Test your theory with people who disagree with you. Debate. Argue. Adjust your philosophy as necessary. Then, when the next election comes around, cast a vote for the candidate whose worldview seems most in line with your own.”

“Or, don’t. None of the freedoms spelled out in our Constitution were put there so people could cast uninformed ballots out of some misplaced sense of civic duty brought on by a celebrity guilt-trip. The right to assemble, to protest, to speak freely – these rights were included to help assure that the best ideas and the best candidates would emerge from the most transparent process possible.”

“Remember – there’s nothing virtuous or patriotic about voting just for the sake of voting, and the next time someone tells you otherwise, do me a favor – ask them who they’re voting for. Then tell them you’re voting for their opponent. Then, see if they’ll give you a ride to the polls.”

“In the meantime, dig into Economics in One Lesson, by Henry Hazlitt. It sounds like a snooze but it really is a page turner, and you can download it for free.

– Mike
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michaelskis said:
Same here.


I also think what Mike Rowe said is very interesting. I love the line about the AR-15
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Love it!

Lots of incredibly uninformed voters every election pull the lever for R or D and 3rd party candidates. Nothing would make me happier than if no morons voted in elections. But I would also like it if wizards would use their magical powers to protect us from the dark forces that surround us too.
 
Maister said:
Love it!

Lots of incredibly uninformed voters every election pull the lever for R or D and 3rd party candidates. Nothing would make me happier than if no morons voted in elections. But I would also like it if wizards would use their magical powers to protect us from the dark forces that surround us too.
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I wonder if I can get insurance for the negative impacts that would result from a Clinton or Trump presidency. Afterall, I know it is a negative impact on me not of my own doing. :-$
 
michaelskis said:
I wonder if I can get insurance for the negative impacts that would result from a Clinton or Trump presidency. Afterall, I know it is a negative impact on me not of my own doing. :-$
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Quality of Life insurance? I need it, too.

I had a counseling appointment last night. I was so tense she made me actually lay on the couch while I was talking to her. Haha. I should just go into hibernation until November 9th.
 
gtpeach said:
Quality of Life insurance? I need it, too.

I had a counseling appointment last night. I was so tense she made me actually lay on the couch while I was talking to her. Haha. I should just go into hibernation until November 9th.
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Breathe... Calm... relax... Zen.... go to your happy place! It's not like we are deciding who will be the most powerful person on the planet and the effective leader of the free world or anything.









8-!

Oh, wait... we are.
 
New Zealand has a website devoted to recruiting ex-pats. That would be a good place to spend the next four years. I even found several ads for planning jobs.
 
I'm super proud of the Liberty students for making sure that Jerry Fallwell, Jr's isn't the only voice the U.S. is hearing in relation to their school and the election. This is from our local paper, but it was the number three trending story on twitter last night. I have a lot friends that teach at or attend LU, and they have been so embarrassed of the publicity LU has gotten because of Jerry Jr's outspokenness in support of Trump, and his affiliation with the school.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/loc...cle_8a3bbe5c-90f1-11e6-af41-e3a65df0645c.html
 
Hmmm

michaelskis said:
I wonder if I can get insurance for the negative impacts that would result from a Clinton or Trump presidency. Afterall, I know it is a negative impact on me not of my own doing. :-$
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Insurance for a Clinton presidency.....ha ha ha....If it is anything like Obama and Bill's presidency, you would be asking for insurance on RECORD CORPORATE PROFITS. Big business LOVES Clinton, absolutely LOVES the idea, concept, possiblity of Clinton. MORE RECORD PROFITS are on the way. They are toasting their Board members behind the scenes and making love to their mistresses in record amounts at the thought of a Clinton presidency.

I don't know.....Maybe try Lloyds of London? I wonder what the deductible will be? Oh and I forgot to mention....doing RECORD amounts of BLOW.
 
The One said:
Insurance for a Clinton presidency.....ha ha ha....If it is anything like Obama and Bill's presidency, you would be asking for insurance on RECORD CORPORATE PROFITS. Big business LOVES Clinton, absolutely LOVES the idea, concept, possiblity of Clinton. MORE RECORD PROFITS are on the way. They are toasting their Board members behind the scenes and making love to their mistresses in record amounts at the thought of a Clinton presidency.

I don't know.....Maybe try Lloyds of London? I wonder what the deductible will be? Oh and I forgot to mention....doing RECORD amounts of BLOW.
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Business, maybe... but being Catholic, sounds like it is not a good thing in her book. A recent batch of e-mails proves it.

Not to mention gun rights...
 
michaelskis said:
Business, maybe... but being Catholic, sounds like it is not a good thing in her book. A recent batch of e-mails proves it.

Not to mention gun rights...
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I always take stuff like that with a grain of salt. I'm sure I'm missing some context to the email plus I assume (which is bad) the person writing it may have been agnostic or just non denominational or atheist. They're making fun of people for choosing Catholicism for political reasons just to get elected and I could see a slime ball doing that. They also seem to be going after the precepts of the church which has had it's problems, but you're talking a global church with global values vs. US values, but I don't want to get into church politics it tends to make people angry. Still rather insulting to general Catholics though. Personally I hate the idea of mixing religion and politics especially as we become a more diverse nation. I guess I'm supposed to set a pre ordained list of morals and values to a politician because he declares himself X religion, but Trump calls himself Christian and I'm just not buying that.
 
The WSJ released an update a little while ago that he's not actually withdrawing from Virginia. Apparently they're just temporarily moving resources down to NC. It seems like there isn't much time left to do something temporarily, though.
 
What??

gtpeach said:
The WSJ released an update a little while ago that he's not actually withdrawing from Virginia. Apparently they're just temporarily moving resources down to NC. It seems like there isn't much time left to do something temporarily, though.
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There should be plenty of hillbillies and kissing cousins down in NC to help out with the campaign! I'm confused....
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