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Architectural standards

michaelskis

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Does any one have examples of strict development and architectural standards for suburb communities (around 45,000) to promote smart growth and pedestrian friendly design? I was thinking about how limited we are in development and placement regulations. One thing I have also noticed, some communities require the front door to be closer to the street than the garage door, or even side facing garages… does anyone have any of these?
 
Narrow lots, mixed neighborhood oriented uses, and small setbacks are my keys to encouraging effective pedestrian travel.

we don't have any officially adopted, but one day....
 
Look for for and dimensional requirements, not necessarily architectural.

Diverse architecture is the stuff new urbanism/smart growth/traditional neighborhood design (blah, blah, blah, etc) is made of.
 
We do have dimensional regulations as per residential districts, but it does not dictate all that much when it comes to appearance. I have seen several communities that prohibit the garage door from facing the street, as well as places that require particular architectural materials. We currently do not have any mixed use zones, but we do have a few cases where I would wonder if it is spot zoning…
 
Michael - Many of the regulations are centered around the garage door. Often, it can't face the street, or can't make up more than a certain percentage of the front facade, or must be set back from the mass of the house, etc. I think you will find that covenants deal more often with the issue than do zoning and subdivision codes. One of the questions I have to ask, though, is to what extent modern residential designs are making it difficult to create good neighborhoods. Bland architecture and cheap materials certainly don't provide much of an excuse to stroll. To me anyway, the same is true of most of the "high-end" houses, with their brick veneer and tacked-on details. Boiker's first suggestion, narrow lots, might address much of this problem.
 
I know that both Fort Collins and Brighton, Colorado have specific design standards for subdivision development, and both can be found on the respective city websites. Like most people are saying, there is specific language in there dealing with the garage door (only 1 in 4 can have the garage sticking out from the front of the house,etc...) . Additionally, it seems that a lot of people incorporating design standards give a "menu" approach- you've got maybe nine choices for different attributes to the design, but no two houses in a row can share the same ones (or some such variation).
 
michaelskis said:
I was thinking about how limited we are in development and placement regulations.
All I can say is welcome to southwest Michigan. Around here 'zone' is a four letter word, a necessary evil to be tolerated in the smallest doses possible (much like taxes). This is a very conservative area and property rights are the order of the day (a view supported by the local courts as well). Until there's some kind of mass paradigm shift, you aren't going to find many politicians willing to support adoption of MORE development and placement regulations. Those who do so run the risk of being labelled 'not in touch with their constituency' and shown the way out. Don't worry, in about 20 years time we may be willing to consider ideas that east coast communities are already implementing today.....
 
I am going to bump this thread and ask the same question that I did 21 years ago, but for follow up with more best practices examples.

Afterall, just because it is a Taco Bell, does not mean that you need to allow it to look like a Taco Bell. While not as Smart Growth or as New Urbanist as I would like, it is still better than a Taco Bell.
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Better than the usual taxpayer EIFS box they plop down on high-throughput arterial parcels.

Has anyone ever run across one of these corps just saying "no" to meeting such standards? I had a hotel project years ago that just refused to budge on making design alterations to meet standards because it ran afoul of their own internal corporate design guidelines. I think they ended up just not moving it forward beyond the pre-application stage.
 
Better than the usual taxpayer EIFS box they plop down on high-throughput arterial parcels.

Has anyone ever run across one of these corps just saying "no" to meeting such standards? I had a hotel project years ago that just refused to budge on making design alterations to meet standards because it ran afoul of their own internal corporate design guidelines. I think they ended up just not moving it forward beyond the pre-application stage.

I had a fast-food restaurant at my last municipality threaten to walk. I called their bluff after they asked me, "Do you think that McDonalds would tolerate this kind of thing." I just asked them if they have ever been to Freeport Maine and to look up the story on their McDonalds. The reality is these corporate entities will run the numbers well before they even show a hint of coming into a municipality and will always show the cheapest "Corporate Model" before they show you what they used to see if the numbers would pencil.

And while this is going to ruffle some feathers, but if they are not willing to really 'invest' in our community, I am not sure it is the type of company that my community would want anyways. Fast food, QSR as they want to be called now, is not well received here anyways.
 
I am going to bump this thread and ask the same question that I did 21 years ago, but for follow up with more best practices examples.

Afterall, just because it is a Taco Bell, does not mean that you need to allow it to look like a Taco Bell. While not as Smart Growth or as New Urbanist as I would like, it is still better than a Taco Bell.
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See I don't know if it really is better. I'm a big fan of design standards done properly but in the context of that building sitting in a sea of parking, with no connection to any surrounding building I kind of fail to see the point.
 
See I don't know if it really is better. I'm a big fan of design standards done properly but in the context of that building sitting in a sea of parking, with no connection to any surrounding building I kind of fail to see the point.

Oh I agree, but that get's into site design, which is a different thread. The community that I am in right now can do a much better job, but it was never really a walkable community and we have ton's of outparcels like this. I am working to change things, but it won't be a large sweeping change for site design as well.
 
In one of my former jobs, Waffle House walked. It was in a downtown edge location and we wanted better architecture and the entrance had to face the sidewalk. They wanted to use the standard box and the entrance facing the parking lot "for security reasons." They came back a couple of years later and got the new Council to allow part of it.

I worked on a similar located Waffle House right before COVID. They were willing to meet all of our architecture and historic requirements. COVID pushed the project off and then they decided to change their location requirements back to more highway locations.
 
The problem I keep getting is that's not how their building is designed and they can't make little tweaks because it ruins their kitchen or some BS.
They also want to face all the parking and don't like the idea of side parking. People will walk to the restaurant. Maybe not Waffle House people, but they'll walk.
 
...standards... to promote smart growth and pedestrian friendly design

The more time I spend in this profession, the more I believe that it's the places that have their main destination areas along five-lane throughways that want the standards. It's as if the leaders know their area is a suck-hole and are desperately trying to apologize to everyone by showing them that, yes, we too can get new beautiful boxes for recompense of past mistakes. Just look how pretty next door is! Unfortunately, it's too late, the land has been carved up in a way that is difficult, nay, impossible to reverse, because the road system is established with all that necessary infrastructure for public services in the right-of-way.

Ahem, yes, that pretty box will most assuredly make it better. Keep telling yourself that. (Not you michaelskis, but all the local officials today who have been converted to Design Standards Evangelists.) Given current retail trends, that pretty box will be as valuable as a wet paper bag in ten years unless our culture changes and shifts in significant ways. I'm not pulling a Kunstler-esque doomsday scenario here, but the writing has been on the wall for nearly five years.

It would be interesting to query local officials as to why they've become Design Standards Evangelists. I suppose there are two main camps. The first says we made past mistakes, we've become a suck-hole, and we know we can get that pretty box because just look at how next door gets them. And the second camp says, we need that pretty box becasue we don't want to become a suck-hole like next door. See how that works?

I try not to be cynical about this, there is nothing wrong with pretty boxes per se, but if your community is spending precious limited resources on getting those pretty boxes, then there is something fundamentally wrong with local mindsets, if I could just spitball here. Thanks for reading. I wish I was more articulate about this, I am not a researcher, just sharing my observations and analysis. Time to get back to Tik Tok
 
The more time I spend in this profession, the more I believe that it's the places that have their main destination areas along five-lane throughways that want the standards. It's as if the leaders know their area is a suck-hole and are desperately trying to apologize to everyone by showing them that, yes, we too can get new beautiful boxes for recompense of past mistakes. Just look how pretty next door is! Unfortunately, it's too late, the land has been carved up in a way that is difficult, nay, impossible to reverse, because the road system is established with all that necessary infrastructure for public services in the right-of-way.

Ahem, yes, that pretty box will most assuredly make it better. Keep telling yourself that. (Not you michaelskis, but all the local officials today who have been converted to Design Standards Evangelists.) Given current retail trends, that pretty box will be as valuable as a wet paper bag in ten years unless our culture changes and shifts in significant ways. I'm not pulling a Kunstler-esque doomsday scenario here, but the writing has been on the wall for nearly five years.

It would be interesting to query local officials as to why they've become Design Standards Evangelists. I suppose there are two main camps. The first says we made past mistakes, we've become a suck-hole, and we know we can get that pretty box because just look at how next door gets them. And the second camp says, we need that pretty box becasue we don't want to become a suck-hole like next door. See how that works?

I try not to be cynical about this, there is nothing wrong with pretty boxes per se, but if your community is spending precious limited resources on getting those pretty boxes, then there is something fundamentally wrong with local mindsets, if I could just spitball here. Thanks for reading. I wish I was more articulate about this, I am not a researcher, just sharing my observations and analysis. Time to get back to Tik Tok

I don't think you are being cynical at all. Was professional planners we and a realization of what good planning is. The flip side is elected officials answer to the public who think that good design is cul-de-sac neighborhoods on 1/3 acre lots with no sidewalks is good design. This results in an inherit auto-dominate community. That is what I inherited and while the group of elected officials that I have now are starting to understand the benefits of good urban design, they still realize the crap that we have. So in many ways, you are right. This level of architectural design is an apology to the people for crap site design.

By the way, the picture that I posted is in Madison Mississippi. Their architectural standards are phenominal and they hold everyone accountable. Their Kroger, Walmart, and other national retailers are in buildings that look nothing like the typical prototype buildings. But the new stuff that is being built is not only high quality architectural design, it is also really good site design too. I just pulled the Taco Bell because as a chain, this is what I would classify as near bottom barrel and for it to look like this as a new build too says something.
 
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